Call of Duty: Black Ops

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fbrdphreak

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Although I've started branching out trying to get more pro perks. Working on Warlord now so I decided to give the AK74 with rapid fire & suppressor a try. Not sure if it's because it's been so long since I've used it or the rapid fire, but it seems to have a bit more upward recoil then I remember.

The recent patch added more recoil, slower reload times, and nerfed the damage of the AK74u. It is still really good, you just can't take down 4 people per magazine anymore.

Try Rapid Fire + Grip on the AK74u. I really liked that even after the nerfing. Reload time is a bit slow, but it gives you more close range damage without much long range sacrifice.
 

smackababy

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I would never trade Warlord for SoH on my AK74u (with Rapid Fire). The grip is over rated anyway. I can burst fire well enough to do medium-long range. I just can't clear a full room with it anymore.
 

Kabob

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I like the grip on the 74, but double mags are a must. Typically I run warlord with those two attachments.
 

digiram

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I guess they nerfed it due to there being an entire thread on the blackops forums about the cheapness/overpoweredness of the ak74u. Sure, compared to other smg's, it may seem overpowered. However, it's not going to beat an AR at long range or even medium range at times.
 

Kabob

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Actually, it beat alot of AR's at medium-long range. I still don't think it was THAT bad, but it was certanly the best SMG.
 

smackababy

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Actually, it beat alot of AR's at medium-long range. I still don't think it was THAT bad, but it was certanly the best SMG.

It was the best SMG, hands down. I just hate how much people bitch about weapons. I could understand if it was like a level 45 unlock, but you get it at level 17... Almost anyone could use it. There will always be a best weapon in any game, so long as the weapons are different.

I dislike the nerfs (well just the damage one really). I don't mind the increased recoil and shorter auto aim (that is what it feels like to me). I just wish I could drop 4 guys with one magazine still.
 

Kabob

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Honestly one of my biggest beefs with Black Ops is that as a whole the starter weapons suck. Compare it to CoD 4/MW2 low level (pre-lvl 10) weapons, look at the list of "good" guns:

CoD 4
M16
MP5
M4
AK47
RPD

MW2
M4
UMP
RPD
FAMAS
SCAR-H

Black Ops
M16

The MP5 kinda sucks, Enfield sucks, RPK/HK21 are nowhere near as good as the RPD was...there's just not alot to start with. On MW2 I'd happily use the UMP/M4/SCAR throughout the entire prestige.
 

Anubis

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you get the enfield at what level 4? its actually a very decent gun, the galil and famas are also pretty early however might be after 10
 

smackababy

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I did alright with the starter SMG class for quite awhile. I used the MP5k until I unlocked the AK74u (at 17). The FAMAS is 14 and the Galil is 28 IIRC. The Enfield isn't terrible, but it isn't amazing either. In CoD4, I could use the Assault starter class the entire prestige and the AK47 and P90 was decent as well.

MW2 I would use the FAMAS until I unlocked the ACR, then it was beast mode.

I don't find the game too terribly OP at higher levels. With exception of the Stahl launcher, and that is only due to ammo, nothing stands out as being vastly superior.
 

Kabob

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you get the enfield at what level 4? its actually a very decent gun, the galil and famas are also pretty early however might be after 10

Enfield is decent at best, but compare it to the choices from the other games and there is no comparison.

I did alright with the starter SMG class for quite awhile. I used the MP5k until I unlocked the AK74u (at 17). The FAMAS is 14 and the Galil is 28 IIRC. The Enfield isn't terrible, but it isn't amazing either. In CoD4, I could use the Assault starter class the entire prestige and the AK47 and P90 was decent as well.

MW2 I would use the FAMAS until I unlocked the ACR, then it was beast mode.

I don't find the game too terribly OP at higher levels. With exception of the Stahl launcher, and that is only due to ammo, nothing stands out as being vastly superior.

My point though, could you go the whole prestige with the Enfield or MP5K in Black Ops? I certainly wouldn't want to, you need to get the "best" weapons early on in a game like this to keep things even. That's one of the things that IW focused on for CoD 4, noobies wouldn't be at a big disadvantage.
 

digiram

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I agree... Starter weapons in MW2 were fantastic. M4 and UMP two of the best guns in their class. Also, another thing with BLOPS. There's really no easy gun to use like the ACR or M4. Every gun in BLOPS makes you adjust for recoil and all that. Sometimes I just wanna spray at any range and relax.
 

Malak

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Actually, it beat alot of AR's at medium-long range. I still don't think it was THAT bad, but it was certanly the best SMG.

I never liked it. I won't use any SMG's. I don't care if most people use the AK74, most people die to my Galil. I do not believe the AK74 has ever been better than half the AR's available. I just assumed people used it because in MW2 an SMG was the best gun in the game and they have some idea that it is the same in BO. Part of the nerf should have been to put it at a much higher level to force everyone to use different guns, then maybe people won't use it so much.
 

Tek_Ed

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M16 to level 14 then for me, the FAMAS is the way to go.

I only use the AK74U on close quarter maps and even then, generally stick with the FAMAS.
 

smackababy

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I never liked it. I won't use any SMG's. I don't care if most people use the AK74, most people die to my Galil. I do not believe the AK74 has ever been better than half the AR's available. I just assumed people used it because in MW2 an SMG was the best gun in the game and they have some idea that it is the same in BO. Part of the nerf should have been to put it at a much higher level to force everyone to use different guns, then maybe people won't use it so much.

Pre-nerf, I could beat almost anything long range except for the G11 (1 burst kill like 90% of the time). If they're first shot or two didn't get a headshot, I would win.
 

Stuxnet

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Honestly one of my biggest beefs with Black Ops is that as a whole the starter weapons suck. Compare it to CoD 4/MW2 low level (pre-lvl 10) weapons, look at the list of "good" guns:

CoD 4
M16
MP5
M4
AK47
RPD

MW2
M4
UMP
RPD
FAMAS
SCAR-H

Black Ops
M16

The MP5 kinda sucks, Enfield sucks, RPK/HK21 are nowhere near as good as the RPD was...there's just not alot to start with. On MW2 I'd happily use the UMP/M4/SCAR throughout the entire prestige.

I remember that a lot of people complained in COD4 that all the good weapons were available from the start, so there was no real reward for leveling up.

... six of one, half dozen of the other

MP5 is definitely a bit of a bitch to use. They could have picked a better SMG for nubs. Enfield is also pretty terrible. Maybe throw the Aug in for the first AR: it's serviceable yet most would consider the Galil and Famas as upgrades.
 
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BD2003

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Yep, that's my biggest complaint. In previous games, the early weapons were just as good as the later ones. In BO, it's clearly not the case. The weapons with few exceptions just get better and better as you progress. On top of that, it takes a really long time to unlock pro perks, which gives higher level players yet another advantage.

None of it is game breaking, you can still play at lower levels just fine, but a disadvantage is a disadvantage any way you slice it. I hope this isn't the way the games will be balanced from now.
 

smackababy

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Yep, that's my biggest complaint. In previous games, the early weapons were just as good as the later ones. In BO, it's clearly not the case. The weapons with few exceptions just get better and better as you progress. On top of that, it takes a really long time to unlock pro perks, which gives higher level players yet another advantage.

None of it is game breaking, you can still play at lower levels just fine, but a disadvantage is a disadvantage any way you slice it. I hope this isn't the way the games will be balanced from now.

You don't have to be "of a higher level" to unlock pro perks. I had SoH pro and Scavenger Pro before I got the Ak74u at 17. Maybe people with higher skill unlock them faster, but weapons don't matter at that point. I don't see any unbalances. The starting kits aren't terrible. The assault is fine, and the SMG one is pretty good as well. People who don't like the MP5K haven't used it much. I do almost just as good with it than I do with the AK74u.
 

Hopeless

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Honestly one of my biggest beefs with Black Ops is that as a whole the starter weapons suck. Compare it to CoD 4/MW2 low level (pre-lvl 10) weapons, look at the list of "good" guns:

CoD 4
M16
MP5
M4
AK47
RPD

<snip>
It's been a long time, but wasn't the M16 in COD4 (MW1) fully auto or am I remembering wrong?
 

BD2003

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You don't have to be "of a higher level" to unlock pro perks. I had SoH pro and Scavenger Pro before I got the Ak74u at 17. Maybe people with higher skill unlock them faster, but weapons don't matter at that point. I don't see any unbalances. The starting kits aren't terrible. The assault is fine, and the SMG one is pretty good as well. People who don't like the MP5K haven't used it much. I do almost just as good with it than I do with the AK74u.

A few of them are easy to unlock quickly. Good luck running 26 miles for marathon before level 30. I don't think I was able to unlock flak jacket pro with those rare grenade tossbacks until well after I hit 50. Finding a sentry gun to destroy while you have ghost equipped is no trivial task either.

It's definitely not game breaking imbalanced in any sense, but the scales are tipped towards higher levels.
 

Anubis

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so got an error tonight that i have never see before. Me and 2 RL buddies were together tearing shit up and tried to invite a 4th but he was never able to join. so he sent out invites and the 3 of us got the same error that said basically this

"your playlist is older then the hosts playlist, you have to reboot the PS3 or back out of the game and restart it"

however doing that didn't fix the issue

the hell is that all about. we haven't really had party issues in a long time

hell last night we had a full 6 party going
 
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