Call of Duty: Black Ops

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Kev

Lifer
Dec 17, 2001
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Truthfully, BO doesnt have outrageous imbalances. But they played it so safe, its the most boring CoD in recent history. Most weapons are clones of each other. Most maps are boring without any strong underlying theme and structure. The leveling isnt nearly as fun as it used to be. Everything they fixed by making it more boring instead of a new idea thats something exciting. Any new and refreshing ideas they did have (wager match and theater mode) are shoved off to the side in case they taint the experience IW crafted. Honestly, CoD is IWs baby, and treyarch are still the B-team. They dont seem to fundamentally understand how their own game works, and are afraid to mess with the magic. Id rather play a fixed MW2 than BO, but it'll never happen.

I don't think it's boring at all. The core gameplay has remained the same throughout the past 3 games; BO just eliminates most of the bullshit and nonsense that IW introduced with MW2.

I like the way the weapons are set up, it's nice having a bunch of choices instead of being locked into only 2 or 3 guns that I can stand like in the last 2 games.

I'm fine with the leveling as well, this is the most I've prestiged in COD yet.

Guess it's just a difference of opinion.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
16,815
1
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I don't think it's boring at all. The core gameplay has remained the same throughout the past 3 games; BO just eliminates most of the bullshit and nonsense that IW introduced with MW2.

I like the way the weapons are set up, it's nice having a bunch of choices instead of being locked into only 2 or 3 guns that I can stand like in the last 2 games.

I'm fine with the leveling as well, this is the most I've prestiged in COD yet.

Guess it's just a difference of opinion.

Maybe its just getting stale. Ive been playing CoD MP since the first. Cod 4 was a revolution. Its been very minor changes since then.

Its also the most Ive prestiged....and thats the problem. By pulling everything but weapons out of the leveling, and adding so many challenges, theyve made it a super short run to 50 and prestige. And then despite the fact that youve done it already and dont need your hand held, they lock out stuff like reticles and camo until the same level. You cant even view your stats till 13. Its like they didnt even think about it.

Id prefer that they rethink their whole prestige system. Get rid of it and any level cap entirely. Find another way to want to keep people leveling up and playing. Or alternatively, make each prestige different. Theyre supposedly balanced, so unlock the weapons in a different order for instance.

Since CoD4, they've introduced a single new game mode - CTF, and its hardly the most imaginative mode. There's the wager matches over in the ghetto that no one cares about and plays, because you can get the same if not more CP by just playing the game, while playing with your friends, gaining levels and not putting your own CP on the line. Again, they didnt seem to think this through.

I mean really, if the best thing you can say about a game is "they didnt really fuck things up this time", theyre not trying hard enough.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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So I decided to throw on MW2 just for the hell of it, hadn't really played it much since BO came out. Yep, def like the weapons and maps better. But man, that game is fucked up.

Anything but barebones was borderline unplayable. Destructive killstreaks literally fill the sky for the whole second half of the game. Quickscopers EVERYWHERE. I'd wager a full 40-50% of players were quickscoping with interventions. It's such a silly thing to see. Noob tubers everywhere of course.

But overall, the most noticeable shift is just how more brutal MW2 feels. You die so much quicker due to the more accurate weapons, ubiquitous stopping power and one shot kill quickscopers and noob tubers. Grenades feel twice as powerful an killstreaks are everywhere. It feels really strange going back to that, I'd say overall I prefer the tempo of BO more. Oh, and boosters....remember those?

MW2 still holds a special place in my heart, but that really has degenerated into one fucked up game. It seems so rough around the edges in hindsight.
 

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
14,696
2
0
Same here, was at 6 or 7th prestige I think and had to call it quits for awhile. Haven't been on in two weeks and i'm starting to get the itch again.

I only play a few times every couple weeks due to my job. When I do play, I play all day.
 

lokiju

Lifer
May 29, 2003
18,526
5
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Man I don't know wtf was going on last night be it was like hacking was going on or something.

I play with a group of about 4 or 5 of us on average and while we're not top dogs every game we usually have a fair amount of wins and losses. But last night something was just wrong and it was for all of us.

We'd jump into Domination and get just murdered. Things like dumping a clip into a person and they don't drop and we'd take one or two hits and be dropped.

We'd turn a corner and the bullet would be in the air and into our head the moment we rounded the turn.

We jumped over to capture the Flag, same shit.

TDM, same thing.

Headquarters, same damn thing.

Only ONCE did we even win a round on Ground War.
 

PimpJuice

Platinum Member
Feb 14, 2005
2,051
1
76
Man I don't know wtf was going on last night be it was like hacking was going on or something.

I play with a group of about 4 or 5 of us on average and while we're not top dogs every game we usually have a fair amount of wins and losses. But last night something was just wrong and it was for all of us.

We'd jump into Domination and get just murdered. Things like dumping a clip into a person and they don't drop and we'd take one or two hits and be dropped.

We'd turn a corner and the bullet would be in the air and into our head the moment we rounded the turn.

We jumped over to capture the Flag, same shit.

TDM, same thing.

Headquarters, same damn thing.

Only ONCE did we even win a round on Ground War.

There was some strange stuff going on yesterday IMO also. It was almost like the enemy team knew our positions even when I was using Ghost. The killcam would show somebody just jerk their controller to the other side of the screen as if they saw me on radar. They would do this right when I popped around a corner.

It might be paranoia, but last night at times, it seemed like people were always one step ahead because they knew where I was at all times (i use ghost and silenced weaps).
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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There was some strange stuff going on yesterday IMO also. It was almost like the enemy team knew our positions even when I was using Ghost. The killcam would show somebody just jerk their controller to the other side of the screen as if they saw me on radar. They would do this right when I popped around a corner.

It might be paranoia, but last night at times, it seemed like people were always one step ahead because they knew where I was at all times (i use ghost and silenced weaps).

Were you using whatever silences your footsteps? If not, then there ya go. Lots of people have surround setups and they would definitely hear which direction you're coming from.

People who cry "hack" when they do poorly are a pet peeve of mine. God forbid somebody is better at the game then you... they must be fucking cheating.
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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Maybe its just getting stale. Ive been playing CoD MP since the first. Cod 4 was a revolution. Its been very minor changes since then.

Its also the most Ive prestiged....and thats the problem. By pulling everything but weapons out of the leveling, and adding so many challenges, theyve made it a super short run to 50 and prestige. And then despite the fact that youve done it already and dont need your hand held, they lock out stuff like reticles and camo until the same level. You cant even view your stats till 13. Its like they didnt even think about it.

Id prefer that they rethink their whole prestige system. Get rid of it and any level cap entirely. Find another way to want to keep people leveling up and playing. Or alternatively, make each prestige different. Theyre supposedly balanced, so unlock the weapons in a different order for instance.

Since CoD4, they've introduced a single new game mode - CTF, and its hardly the most imaginative mode. There's the wager matches over in the ghetto that no one cares about and plays, because you can get the same if not more CP by just playing the game, while playing with your friends, gaining levels and not putting your own CP on the line. Again, they didnt seem to think this through.

I mean really, if the best thing you can say about a game is "they didnt really fuck things up this time", theyre not trying hard enough.

They've introduced one new game mode? Unless I'm missing something, BO offers 4 new game modes to the series in wager matches alone. I know there's 4 wager modes, but I only remember Sticks and Stones, One in the Chamber, and Gun Game. Those are all great fun IMO and are a pretty large advance considering the other games. If you're worrying about CP and not FUN then I guess these modes aren't for you, but then that's hardly the game's fault that you value CP over entertainment.

I wouldn't expect much more than these "incremental changes" anyway. You don't fix what isn't broken, remember? If it's working, then all you can do is NOT make it worse. They added more perks in MW2 and allowed choosing killstreaks. That was pretty big. BO fixes a lot of balance issues MW2 had, and added what I personally feel are great wager match modes. I'd like to see maybe TEAM gun game or something, but regardless... I don't understand why you're expecting things to change so much when so many people love the way it is. If you want something different, then go PLAY something different. That's why there's so many different FPS games. Each one offers a different style of play for a different type of gamer.
 

PimpJuice

Platinum Member
Feb 14, 2005
2,051
1
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Were you using whatever silences your footsteps? If not, then there ya go. Lots of people have surround setups and they would definitely hear which direction you're coming from.

People who cry "hack" when they do poorly are a pet peeve of mine. God forbid somebody is better at the game then you... they must be fucking cheating.

I did not use Ninja, but the situations I described were from longer distances so it wouldn't have been sound.
 

PimpJuice

Platinum Member
Feb 14, 2005
2,051
1
76
They've introduced one new game mode? Unless I'm missing something, BO offers 4 new game modes to the series in wager matches alone. I know there's 4 wager modes, but I only remember Sticks and Stones, One in the Chamber, and Gun Game. Those are all great fun IMO and are a pretty large advance considering the other games. If you're worrying about CP and not FUN then I guess these modes aren't for you, but then that's hardly the game's fault that you value CP over entertainment.

I wouldn't expect much more than these "incremental changes" anyway. You don't fix what isn't broken, remember? If it's working, then all you can do is NOT make it worse. They added more perks in MW2 and allowed choosing killstreaks. That was pretty big. BO fixes a lot of balance issues MW2 had, and added what I personally feel are great wager match modes. I'd like to see maybe TEAM gun game or something, but regardless... I don't understand why you're expecting things to change so much when so many people love the way it is. If you want something different, then go PLAY something different. That's why there's so many different FPS games. Each one offers a different style of play for a different type of gamer.

People will always complain. Lots of people keep saying how COD4, MW2 were much better. Well then why aren't those people play those games instead. Its not like you cant get online on them anymore.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
16,815
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They've introduced one new game mode? Unless I'm missing something, BO offers 4 new game modes to the series in wager matches alone. I know there's 4 wager modes, but I only remember Sticks and Stones, One in the Chamber, and Gun Game. Those are all great fun IMO and are a pretty large advance considering the other games. If you're worrying about CP and not FUN then I guess these modes aren't for you, but then that's hardly the game's fault that you value CP over entertainment.

I wouldn't expect much more than these "incremental changes" anyway. You don't fix what isn't broken, remember? If it's working, then all you can do is NOT make it worse. They added more perks in MW2 and allowed choosing killstreaks. That was pretty big. BO fixes a lot of balance issues MW2 had, and added what I personally feel are great wager match modes. I'd like to see maybe TEAM gun game or something, but regardless... I don't understand why you're expecting things to change so much when so many people love the way it is. If you want something different, then go PLAY something different. That's why there's so many different FPS games. Each one offers a different style of play for a different type of gamer.

I play call of duty because despite it's flaws, it's still the best and I have a good time playing it. That doesnt mean I cant see a zillion ways it can be better. Wager mode was a great idea that was poorly executed. The main problem is that it requires you to go solo, when 90% of the time I play with friends. It should have had team support from the start. I want to play with friends against others, not against my friends. The whole wagering thing hardly makes sense when you get way more points than you need just playing standard, and the points don't really buy you much in the end anyway. I'd much rather have seen those modes folded into the main playlists without the silly wagering. This is why I say wager mode is in the ghetto. It's over in the corner and no one wants to pay any attention to it.
 

digiram

Diamond Member
Apr 17, 2004
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Were you using whatever silences your footsteps? If not, then there ya go. Lots of people have surround setups and they would definitely hear which direction you're coming from.

People who cry "hack" when they do poorly are a pet peeve of mine. God forbid somebody is better at the game then you... they must be fucking cheating.

I know exactly what you mean.

I typically play on my xbox that's in my game room with no surround. Wife won't let me have a surround b/c the kids sleep at night. So, I definitely gotta look into getting one of those surround head phones.

Anyhow,

I got a Kinnect bundle Xbox that's hooked up to my surround, and the first time I played BLOPS on it... I was amazed by all that I was missing. Like the heart beat when you're shot. I never heard that from my tv speakers. I'm pretty accustomed to playing and using visuals for awareness though. Which is why I'm crazy dependent on spy planes.
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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I play call of duty because despite it's flaws, it's still the best and I have a good time playing it. That doesnt mean I cant see a zillion ways it can be better. Wager mode was a great idea that was poorly executed. The main problem is that it requires you to go solo, when 90% of the time I play with friends. It should have had team support from the start. I want to play with friends against others, not against my friends. The whole wagering thing hardly makes sense when you get way more points than you need just playing standard, and the points don't really buy you much in the end anyway. I'd much rather have seen those modes folded into the main playlists without the silly wagering. This is why I say wager mode is in the ghetto. It's over in the corner and no one wants to pay any attention to it.

Oh I completely agree. It was poorly implemented, but that doesn't mean it should be ignored completely. Again, as far as a pure "having fun" thing goes stick and stones has given me far more entertainment than the standard modes. Not to say I don't enjoy them or don't play the others, as I do... I guess I'm just attracted to some zany off the wall gameplay once in a while where your level doesn't matter. Everybody has exactly the same stuff and there's nothing much to gain so everybody's just having fun. There's not much camping because somebody's trying to keep their K/D ratio up, or frustration with a terrible team who's playing Domination like it's TDM. It's great.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Yeah, when no one is around I play a fair bit of gun game. I don't really like sticks and stones because the tomahawk makes it so only the last 30 seconds of the 5 minute game actually matter.

Still, I'd much rather by playing some team variant of gun game, sharpshooter, etc, with friends and while earning XP and CP. Also, war was a lot of fun, too bad they didn't keep that from WaW.
 

lokiju

Lifer
May 29, 2003
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yea ninja pro is amazing with a directional sound setup

I used Ninja but it had no impact.

I just prestiged last weekend and I'm not back at pro with it yet but should have it soon.

I really do want to get the Turtle Beach Ear Force DSS add on for 7.1 simulation on my PX21's.

From what I've read it really does make a noticeable difference.

I have a friend that is crazy good at the game, always top or one of the top ranked for every match and every game type and he had the same experience I did as well. It was all of us, we're not a bunch of noobs that just started playing last night.

It was different game types, different opponent teams, etc and it did not matter.

Something was jacked up with the game or some other factor it seemed.

I agree with it being a pet peeve about people who cry "hackers!!!!" I can't stand how everyone defaults to that and have had plenty of times where people have cried it at me after matches due to the huge win over them. This was not that though.
 

Stuxnet

Diamond Member
Jun 16, 2005
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Man I don't know wtf was going on last night be it was like hacking was going on or something.

I noticed this, too. I'm an HQ god and a damn-near god at CTF. Yesterday was FUCKED. I couldn't put my finger on it but something was definitely out of whack. Today is life as usual again.
 

lokiju

Lifer
May 29, 2003
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5
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I noticed this, too. I'm an HQ god and a damn-near god at CTF. Yesterday was FUCKED. I couldn't put my finger on it but something was definitely out of whack. Today is life as usual again.

I played a few rounds last night and it was back to normal.
 

fbrdphreak

Lifer
Apr 17, 2004
17,555
1
0
So, I think I might be over BO multiplayer. I was playing last night and did really well for the most part. I've got all the weapons unlocked (now level 48) and I finally got Marathon Pro. Already have Ninja Pro, SOH Pro, and Warlord Pro. I'd still like to get the Pro versions of Tactical Mask, Hacker, and Flak Jacket, but meh.

I still need to finish single player, but actually would rather start playing some other games now. The spell is broken...
 

cyphilis

Senior member
May 7, 2008
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Im just the opposite. I had been playing BO weekly since it came out,.. but in the past week went back to Battlefield BC:2 Im liking it so much better and that game feels so much more even and fair to me. Don't get me wrong, I love black ops,.. but damn BF BC2 is really fun and good when you got a handful of friends to play with.
 

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
14,696
2
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Im just the opposite. I had been playing BO weekly since it came out,.. but in the past week went back to Battlefield BC:2 Im liking it so much better and that game feels so much more even and fair to me. Don't get me wrong, I love black ops,.. but damn BF BC2 is really fun and good when you got a handful of friends to play with.

I traded MW2 for BC2 for a week with a buddy. We both agreed MW2 was better, I found too many reasons why I didn't like BC2, not the least of which the way the guns worked.
 

Stuxnet

Diamond Member
Jun 16, 2005
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I could never put my finger on why I didn't like BC2. The game just didn't feel responsive to control input and I felt "detached" from the game.
 

RavenSEAL

Diamond Member
Jan 4, 2010
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BC2>MW2>BO

I have officially made up my mind...

Slowly going back to BC2 on pc...all the exictment of BO is gone, it's just a whirpool now...die...kill..die...kill..kill.kill..die...get noob tubed...die...get sniped...die...get noob tubed...die...get killed by camper in corner...kill camper in corner...die...
host migration...server disconnected...kids yelling...power off

Can't wait for BF3.
 

DJK Frank 16

Senior member
Feb 10, 2011
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Took a two week break from BO, back on a few days ago and was loving it again. Going to start playing something else though. 6th or 7th prestige is enough for me. Will probably still get on occasionally when the buddies are playing.
 

CupCak3

Golden Member
Nov 11, 2005
1,318
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I was beginning to lose interest in BO but it has been revived with the Wager games. I really enjoy the endless frustration of Sticks & Stones... though I have a feeling this will fizzle quickly... The first weekend I played BO, I had a bunch of buddies over and we played very similar local games that you could only use crossbow or ballistic knife and the tomahawk. Having perks enabled was nice though for lighweight and marathon.

I've already sold my copies of MW2 and BC2 for 360. I'll likely start going to and from BC2 on PC.
 
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