- Jul 26, 2005
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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: 3cho
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: 3cho
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: 3cho
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I agree with Echo3 that the IB is a wheel greaser. There are frictions involved in placing debt or equity, or arranging for the purchaser of a company. Those frictions are reduced by an IB, which utilizes manpower to solve information defficiencies, explain structures, and help close deals.
While you don't "make" a something you can touch, it's an invaluable service, as without that grease much more time and money would be wasted by those looking to raise cash, lend cash, buy equity/debt, sell equity/debt, and buy/sell different companies and such.
I am a VP at a mid-level (domestically and large internationally) bank. I work to analyze company's financials and help them raise money, which is funded by my bank essentially issuing debt through different funding sources. The companies could be other banks, leasing companies, auto-loan companies, mortgage companies (prime only)...etc.
while i like the job, sometimes i see it as a necessary evil. particularly at the way that processes are run at my firm. can companies raise capital or sell themselves without the investment banks? hell yes. but why would they spend the time and effort to do something that is not their core competency (pardon the contrite banking fluff).
I would agree that they could do it themselves, but I don't think they could do it nearly as well. The amount of info a bank has built up, from writing pitches, understanding collateral (in my case), negotiating with rating agencies, talking to portfolio managers, pricing bonds, selling bonds, and secondary market trading. Every company would need to have those areas and be very good at them.
As you said, it wouldn't be a core competency, so they'd suffer. Personally, I see it nothing more than having a car mechanic. Not all people can be a mechanic, time and money negate the possibility, thus you need somebody to do that for you.
Not to understate car mechanics, but knowing how to structure, negotiate, execute, and sell a half billion in asset backed bonds requires a significant amount of knowledge, which is why you get paid. It's not just book knowledge either, the network, institutional, nd practical knowledge/experience needed is massive.
dude, i just realized why you only work 10 hours a day. you are a vp!!! we have one vp in our group, he gets in at 9:30 and goes home at 6!
While I am a "VP", I am the junior guy in the group, so I probably do the work of a 3rd year associate. The other 3 guys in my group are an Assoc-Dir, Dir, and Group Head. I couldn't imagine that we'd make an Assoc work 12+ hrs, especially since everybody gets in at 8:30 and leaves at 5:30.
I pull 12-14hr days sometimes, just to get up the curve on some of this stuff.
so you have no analysts below you?
Nope, I am more or less the "analyst" here, as I am the best at running models and cutting data. But I also work on documentation, negotiation, and contacting leads. I am trying to get business with one of my old bosses on the issuer side now.
Smaller banks are a lot more fun. YOu aren't pigeonholed, you aren't treated like crap, and you see a lot more stuff.
really?... they treat me like sh1t. no training, nothing. i had to use a 1999 ML training manual to teach myself... recently, for training purposes, the senior bankers asked the analyst to run a lbo using the firm's pre-built model.. what f---ing good is that? you dont learn anything unless you build one on your own. so i decided to start building one from scratch, and i was told that "that's the wrong path to go down on".