Camaro 35th Edition or Firebird Special Edition? ***!!!Updated with Pics!!!***

[vi edit]

Hey Laust, what compression does the LS1 engine have?

Nuther question for ya, how come you don't hear of many SC'd or Turbo'd Camaro's or Firebirds running around? Is it because they're strong enough to handle themselves, or is it an expensive/difficult thing to do?

I remember reading that Mustangs were very easy to bolt on a SC, but I haven't heard much out of the GM crowd on the F bodies.

 

[CraigRT]

Most people are right, despite the fact that the Camaro and Flowerbird are decent cars, the interior is pretty funny.. GM knows nothing more than to make the cheapest most ugly awful interiors known to mankind.. i know this from personal experience, and from reading reviews... one magazine with the release of the C5 Corvette was summing up the car which they loved but said that it would be the greatest car for your money if it wasn't for the "raunchy GM interior" which is ever so typical.. take some Lumina's and Pontiacs (only examples i for sure know of).. WHY are the guages in some of these cars pointing to your lap???!!!! HELLO!!!! most people are OVER 3 feet tall!!! I'm sorry, they're interiors are just LAME.. out of the 2 GM's my family has owned NEITHER has even come witha CUP HOLDER!! WTF!!!??? my 2 Chryslers have come with 2 and 4 respectively... I mean sh!t! like I really do love the Camaro SS but the quality and layout of the interior is just plain LAME!! :disgust:

 

[PlatinumGold]

I thought the rule was: Camaro for guys, Firebirds for gals.

I always thought it was the other way around. mb down south they just can't get it straight.

just kidding ppls.

btw, i'd get a Mustang. but that's just me. if i had to chose between those two, i'd go FIREBIRD.


btw, it's good to see a thread regarding american cars. SHEESH, enough with the honda's and maximas already.

 

[PlatinumGold]

yield

HEY, I love the interior on my Olds Intrigue.

 

[CraigRT]

<< btw, it's good to see a thread regarding american cars. SHEESH, enough with the honda's and maximas already. >>



I only saw like a couple posts and they were for jokes...

 

[vi edit]

<< out of the 2 GM's my family has owned NEITHER has even come witha CUP HOLDER!! WTF!!!??? my 2 Chryslers have come with 2 and 4 respectively... I mean sh!t! like I really do love the Camaro SS but the quality and layout of the interior is just plain LAME!! :disgust: >>



The GMC Jimmy that I bought has a floor console in it that has probably the best cup holders out of any vehicle I have ever owned/driven. Want to talk about pathetic cupholders and crappy placement, go look at VW and Audi. Sheesh! How hard is it to spend twenty minutes on design and make them useful???

 

[LAUST]

As far as the LS1 vs the 4.6, Stock the LS1 will tear it to shreads, it has higher peak and Band numbers.

 

[CraigRT]

<< HEY, I love the interior on my Olds Intrigue >>



My family had an Olds Alero for a rental when our Celebrity got smoked by a Deer..

what a POS.. Hopefully I'll never have to get in one of those again.. that car was incredibly nasty, i hated it alot man... I hope the Intrigue is alot better, I was in a 96 Cadillac SLS (my friends' dads') and it had the same basic door panels and locking mechs as my old 86 Celebrity.. WTF? Cadillac? WHY does GM pull such retarded crap??? i was blown away with the cheesy-ness of their top of the line car... my friend has a 1990 Pontiac Sunbird GT turbo, the dash is basically coming off, the vent mechanisms don't work, to adjust them you pull it out of the vinyl mold where it sits and move the thing and shove it back in.. they fall out under hard acceleration.. his defrost vents on his dash stick up and are warped and falling out, the piece of vinyl above the radio is warped and you can see in behind the dash at the electrical guts, there is more, just can't be bothered to type out all the cheesy problems with this car and others like it.. that's the entire reason why I wouldn't buy a GM car again. they have good running engines (most) but are just too nasty inside for me... that is just ridiculous! i don't know any other company that has cars like that.. the quality is 1/10...

 

[LAUST]

More Rollin up to do

 

[Static911]

Laust

I agree with you. Money can do many things to a car. That is why I am inquiring of dropping the 2jz engine in a SC3. Dunno if I want a single turbo or TT.

Also, NOS is a must if I am going that far into spending that type of money.

BTW, I can make my LS4 have better handling than a Audi or BMW. All I have to do is drop couple grands (maybe less nowadays) for complete L-Tune suspension.

edit: Yes you can take that car on the strip, but there are 100,000 owners who can do the exact same. By modding your car (yes, its becoming more "factory" like...everyone has the same parts from same place), you have the right to "brag" this and that. But, with a stock muscle car, yes, it is fast, and it is the exact same car (unless modded and I'm talking about Stereo, ANYTHING different) as the next Z28 that leaves the lot.

static911

 

[CraigRT]

<< Okay as far as the cup holders this is a simple one, lets get it out of the way, My silverado has 2 in the console for the front, and 2 that fold down on the back of it, plus in the back there are 2 on the door panels, Ooops thats 6... Bye >>



Your silverado... I suppose I should have specified I was not the vehicle I was talking about... also, It's not the biggest deal either, but quite frustrating when you have no place to put your cup.. most other cars have cupholders and when they don't it's dumb! - typical GM annoyance... just makes the cars more humble and comforting when they have simple options such as cupholders which make life alot easier for the person who drives alot.. (me)

 

[PlatinumGold]

hahaha

i knew a guy that had a toyota corolla. he complained bitterly about not having cupholders, until i pulled them out and showed him where they were.

HAHAHA.

 

[Static911]

Try not to make one car as a generalization for all. I do remember our Chrystler minivan, forgot how many that had.

My first generation lexus only has 2 cupholders TOTAL (well, three, but the one in the glove compartment is yay shallow)

static911

 

[Rent]

For those that complain about the interior quality of the F-Bodies - Have you ever ridden in a Supra, Vette, 3000GT, or RX-7?

I've ridden in each. They're all cramped. They layouts in each are not convienent. I consider it wash when you try and down the quality of the F-Body interior.

Laust & Vi_Edit - there are a couple of blown LS1s in my area... christ they are f'n mean. However, I've been hearing the motors don't hold up well after 50k with a blower. I dunno, thats just what I've heard.

 

[thebestMAX]

My Vote

 

[LAUST]

also for Drag racing the Camaro is much closer to beaing drag ready then many cars on the road

 

[Static911]

See LAUST, we have interests in different cars, but we are speaking on the right level unlike some people here....

Comes down to money. I too was interested in the SS, however, since I commited to doing a project my brother (he can't stand domestic UNLESS we do a *excuse my french* ghetto ride...hydros, sound system, chrome, 20", etc. something you see from a Rap video), I'm sticking to import cars, more specifically, Toyota/Lexus.

static911

 

[fastz28]

I've said it once before and I'll say it again. You can only have 2 out of 3 things in a car:

1. Drivetrain - engine, transmission, etc
2. Interior / "quality"
3. Price

At a constant price, you get either 1 or 2. If you want both 1 and 2, 3 goes way up. It's up to you to decide what's more important to you, 1 or 2?

Do you want to have high performance or look at "nice plastic". I personally don't give a fvck with plastic and don't understand what's the big deal with "nice plastic"?????

edit:

SC - there are plenty of blown cars around. A few here in Austin are at 600+hp. Plenty other ones all over the country. Both Vortec and ATI make them.

Cupholders - another thing I don't care about. My Camaro has *one* big - @ss cupholder in the middle, right by the shifter. I use it hold coins. Besides, I don't, and won't allow anyone drinking my car anyways, so who needs cupholders?

 

[LAUST]

Oh for sure,

 

[SsZERO]

And what do you have to say about those comments? Is there a problem reading the truth? Do you drive any of the cars you mentioned? Somehow, I doubt it...you're probably behind the wheel of a Del Sol or something. Looks like we have a ricer on our hands!!

-= SsZERO =-



<< stupid ignorant replies.next, you'll be telling me that the supra, 3000gt, 300zx, nsx, boxster, m3, etc all suck right?

i was actually responding to these brilliant comments:



<< What about the hp/liter aspect? It's called SPECIFIC OUTPUT. Let me guess...your 1.6L ricebox is much more technically advanced because it makes 130HP and is only 1.6L. Yeah, I hear that every time a ricer tries to race me and loses. I also get the "Well, my engine is 1/2 of your engine" and the famous "So...my car is a show car."

Should start another thread for this to clear up the misguided youth who sincerely believe that the epitome of automotive performance begins with a Honda, and not just any honda, the Civic, no less. >>

>>

 

[SsZERO]

YEAH! Here we go!!! It's the standard "TWiSTiZe" ricer comeback. When a ricer realize that he/she has been totally outclassed by a car they have presumed to be "inferior", they immediately start talking about cars they don't have, and how IF they had that car they would show you a thing or to...but not in a boring old drag race, let's take it to a race track, where their countless years of Gran Turismo 3 racing experience finally pays off.

Hahaha...you're making a pretty bold assumption that a WS6 has "bad" handling and I'm sure you believe that "american cars are only fast in a straight line". I hope you do get your stock RX-7 so I can take you to the rice cookin academy!

-= SsZERO =-



<< Ya calling my ricebox slow? Granted on a straight a way you'll smoke me...but how about we take our cars to willow springs or laguna? I'll take a stock 1.3 liter engine 1993-1996 RX-7 and run circles around ya.

Ok back to the question...Take Firebird with WS6 package bro...you'll be like the blackbird. >>

 

[SsZERO]

Resident LS1 owner and enthusiast here...the 2001-2002 LS1s come with higher flowing stock heads, and if you upgrade the cam, add LT headers, underdrive pulley, cat back and drag radials, you'll have an 11s car for under $5000 in mods. My 2K1 WS6 has only a K&N drop-in, the air lid, and a catback exhaust...I've managed a 12.8 @ 109 MPH down at Atco raceway. That means the car is putting down something like 315 RWHP and 320 RWTQ...or 365 HP / 380 TQ at the flywheel. Totally awesome!



<< The LS1 has 10:1 compression, Vortech, ATI, and Paxton all have kits available for all F-Body's, They range from 55%-65% increase in power, for those guys who like to stay natural, they like to bolt on LS6 heads as they have about 30% more flow <-- thats HUGE and they get close to 11:1 compression, the guys who don't have the $3000 for heads like to trade with guys like me who have a LM7, they pop my heads on and gain 10.8:1 >>



A lot of people get heads from MTI, a popular upgrade is the LS6 intake manifold, which is also included stock on 2001-2002 LS1s.



<< The Previous Motor SC's on the Stangs are super simple to bolt on, my best friend carried over his SC from his 302 to his sportsman 351, only real change is the deck height, the new 4.6 Stangs are another story, their fuel system is returnless for one, so there is tuning involed with fuel Pressure.

As far as their prices in the ATI world the prices are similar on kits for LS1 and the 4.6 Stang's but the stangs are less expensive, The Mustang is the cheapest pony car to mod for on the planet.

As far as the LS1 vs the 4.6, Stock the LS1 will tear it to shreads, it has higher peak and Band numbers. >>



The LS1 aftermarket is a lot smaller and much more expensive than the Stang aftermarket...but to get a stang up to stock performance of an LS1 takes quite a bit.


-= SsZERO =-

 

[LAUST]

But then again it's also fun to be right too

 

[fastz28]

<<

<< Hahaha...you're making a pretty bold assumption that a WS6 has "bad" handling and I'm sure you believe that "american cars are only fast in a straight line". >>


Dude I thought you knew, we are still in the 60's and 70's

That is one of the most frustrating things about people who try to talk cars, they have never been to a race track in their lives, and since the 1972 Duster's and 67 Mustangs couldn't corner well that banned US cars into eternity of bad cornering, never to invent the Z06 that on a $47,000 car can compete with $150,000 Ferrari's, Never to invent the IRS Mustang like Kenney Brown uses in his V6 Mustangs to take out Porshe's all day and night.

But then again it's also fun to be right too >>



Shhhhh...don't let the secret out. "They" always ding domestic muscle on handling. Little do they know we have come a long way in 30 years. But, hey, they can believe all they want, I'll see them on the race track, if they know what/where it is.

Ps. Don't even talk about street vs. race track. You barely use 25% of a sports car's potential on street. Streets are designed for the least handling vehicles, i.e. econoboxes.

 

[LAUST]

Dude Have you seen those new Corvette's,