camaro SS vs NSX

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robr

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I came across this thread via google while searching for something entirely different.
The NSX in question was there that day for an organized NSX forced induction shootout event. Factor-X wanted to prove their NSX forced induction solution vs. others such as Gerry Johnson, Comptech and Mark Basch's BaschBoost but nobody else showed up.

The mods to that NSX (the Factor-X FX500 package, so named for the target of 500HP) would cost you and I in the neighborhood of $20,000 installed. The NSX is a great car but it is very difficult to turn it into a quarter mile beast without ***serious*** cash output, it was simply not designed to do this. In the past year, I am aware of at least 12-15 NSX owners who have blown their motors going with forced induction, mostly because of fuel management issues.

For more info on the event you can go here:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32733

For more info on the FX500 package, use the search feature of that forum.

- Rob, NSX owner wishing he could afford the FX500 package (and hoping it doesn't result in yet more blown engines)
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: robr
I came across this thread via google while searching for something entirely different.
The NSX in question was there that day for an organized NSX forced induction shootout event. Factor-X wanted to prove their NSX forced induction solution vs. others such as Gerry Johnson, Comptech and Mark Basch's BaschBoost but nobody else showed up.

The mods to that NSX (the Factor-X FX500 package, so named for the target of 500HP) would cost you and I in the neighborhood of $20,000 installed. The NSX is a great car but it is very difficult to turn it into a quarter mile beast without ***serious*** cash output, it was simply not designed to do this. In the past year, I am aware of at least 12-15 NSX owners who have blown their motors going with forced induction, mostly because of fuel management issues.

For more info on the event you can go here:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32733

For more info on the FX500 package, use the search feature of that forum.

- Rob, NSX owner wishing he could afford the FX500 package (and hoping it doesn't result in yet more blown engines)

12-15 is a little optimistic as far as actually knowing these guys and verifying they indeed had this problem (there are alot of makers of products that have 'more customers' than total packages they have sold).

Still if it was due to fuel management this is the owner's faults. You drop even $3k on a forced induction solution you best get a dyno run and know your A/F ratios as well as know if you are pinging/detonating/preigniting etc. There are no totally 'bolt-on' solutions were forced induction is on the field. For less than $300 you can get the information you need on the tune of the engine in question as well as the tuning needed, and/or the parts you need to buy to complete the deal.

In any car group you will have plenty of people trying 'junk yard' / 'shadetree' boost and of those guys maybe 5% know wtf they are doing, the rest either blown up their engines, start another project a mechanic will have to sort out or get lucky and not have too many terminal problems.

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ElFenix

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Originally posted by: robr
I came across this thread via google while searching for something entirely different.
The NSX in question was there that day for an organized NSX forced induction shootout event. Factor-X wanted to prove their NSX forced induction solution vs. others such as Gerry Johnson, Comptech and Mark Basch's BaschBoost but nobody else showed up.

The mods to that NSX (the Factor-X FX500 package, so named for the target of 500HP) would cost you and I in the neighborhood of $20,000 installed. The NSX is a great car but it is very difficult to turn it into a quarter mile beast without ***serious*** cash output, it was simply not designed to do this. In the past year, I am aware of at least 12-15 NSX owners who have blown their motors going with forced induction, mostly because of fuel management issues.

For more info on the event you can go here:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32733

For more info on the FX500 package, use the search feature of that forum.

- Rob, NSX owner wishing he could afford the FX500 package (and hoping it doesn't result in yet more blown engines)
nice, some real information!
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
wow a modded nsx vs a camaro which wasn't even trying

Wasn't trying my a$$. He was just a poor driver who got beat by a good one in a very fast car.

John Force couldn't have beat that NSX in that Camaro though.
 

robr

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12-15 is a little optimistic as far as actually knowing these guys and verifying they indeed had this problem (there are alot of makers of products that have 'more customers' than total packages they have sold).

Still if it was due to fuel management this is the owner's faults. You drop even $3k on a forced induction solution you best get a dyno run and know your A/F ratios as well as know if you are pinging/detonating/preigniting etc. There are no totally 'bolt-on' solutions were forced induction is on the field. For less than $300 you can get the information you need on the tune of the engine in question as well as the tuning needed, and/or the parts you need to buy to complete the deal.

In any car group you will have plenty of people trying 'junk yard' / 'shadetree' boost and of those guys maybe 5% know wtf they are doing, the rest either blown up their engines, start another project a mechanic will have to sort out or get lucky and not have too many terminal problems.

When it comes to the NSX, there are VERY few FI options available, and ALL of them will run you close to $10,000 or more (the cheapest being the BaschBoost which will run you 7-8K installed with a SplitSecond solution for fuel management rather than a full standalone solution). The cars that are blowing appear to be the ones that don't have an intercooler/aftercooler (whichever terminology you'd prefer) set up. P

People running with full AEM fuel management setups appear to be doing well also. The majority of the engines blowing are running the BaschBoost setup (which had at least 3 different versions of fuel management). There is an entire webboard dedicated to the topic of blown BaschBoost engines. Almost all of these superchargers have been installed and tuned by Mark Basch himself. If you REALLY wanted to get into the nitty gritty, you could read up on this topic for days in the boost forum on nsxprime.com and in the "Grenade Talk" forum at http://www.baschboost.org/forums/

BTW, Mark Basch is probably THE #1 NSX mechanic in the world, however perhaps he's not #1 when it comes to knowledge of forced induction and fuel management . On the other hand, the majority of his installs are running with ZERO problems. It's just a huge topic in the NSX community these days because he has the cheapest solution (if you have no problems) and because there have been so many problem engines in the past year.

So for NSX, you're basically looking at
Supercharger solutions: Gruppe M (probably around $12K installed), Comptech ($10Kish), Basch ($8-9K)
none of these have standalone fuel management, so add in extra for that

Turbo: These cars are DESTROYING the supercharged cars for useable HP/Torque looking at the available power under the curve on a dyno. You saw what the Factor-X car did. These setups are all custom, there's no "package price" and Gerry Johnson and Factor-X will run you more than all the above solutions if you want some serious power. It remains to be seen how reliability will be affected, but Gerry has been running his car with 500hp+ for several years now with no issues (but these solutions involve engine internals upgrades, none of the supercharged options are doing that).

Bottom line, NSX can be made to run very fast if you have deep pockets, but reliability could be an issue. We are all screaming at Honda to update the car and give it some real power. It DID destroy the current Ferrari when it came out in 1991 (the 348) which was one of Honda's targets, but today it's sadly lacking in power, especially for the price. It's long overdue for an update. Even still, it's a phenominal car all around, and a decent value if you buy used (1991's are going for $25k and up). My 91 with intake/headers/exhaust ran a 13.2@109 at Epping which isn't too shabby for a vehicle that was designed to go around corners fast. The other thing I love about this car is at 14 years old, there are no squeaks or rattles and everything is still rock solid. I've owned many American sports cars and they didn't feel this tight coming off the lot.

If anyone is in the MA/NH area, the NSX club in conjunction with the Lambo club, Ferrari club, Viper club and a few others are doing a fundraiser for Make-A-Wish on Saturday, June 19th in Merrimack, NH at the Anheiser Busch plant. I believe it's free to the public (the fundraising part came from people exhibiting their cars). A flyer is available here:
http://www.neviperclub.org/misc/ExoticCarShowBanner.pdf

Feel free to come by and check out all the cars and say hey. I'll be there with a silver NSX, first digits on the MA license plate are 41L
 

robr

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btw, here's the factor-x website with some specifics on the fx500 mods

http://www.factorxengineering.com/prod_nsx.htm


FX500 system components
------------------------------

Sleeved C30 block bored out to 3.2L

Machine matched surfaces

Balanced, blueprinted, & clearanced to FX Spec

Re-bushed NSX titanium rods

Low compression pistons

Custom multi layer metal head gasket

FX aluminum cam seals

OEM NSX head bolts

OEM NSX A & B gasket kit

FX baffled oil pan

Billet oil gear

All necessary bearings, gaskets, fasteners

MoTeC M4¢â engine management system

MoTeC custom NSX harness

FX modified fuel rail

Upgraded Injectors

Upgraded Fuel Pump

3 Bar map sensor

Fuel pressure regulator

HKS GT series Turbo with FX Spec trim

Tial waste gate

Tial blow-off valve

FX air-water aftercooler

Water pump

FX custom heat exchanger

Water reservoir

Upgraded radiator

Oil pump differential

Oil cooler

FX catch can

FX dual exhaust system w/ single tips

FX stainless steel flanges

FX stainless steel piping

FX mounting plate

FX modified fender liner

Hi-flow cotton gauze air filter

Aluminum A/N fittings

Wiggens¢â Clamp

Nomex lined oil and fuel lines

DEI¢â heat wrap

All necessary gaskets, lines, and hardware

Professionally tuned with Dynapacks¢â

FX500 custom badges
 

alkemyst

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13.2 is pretty quick...I'd be happy with that for a daily driver. Once you start getting into 12's and quicker on most cars you chance of daily problems goes way up .

My goal is about a 12.9-13.0.
 
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