Campaign for pi to be replaced with alternate value tau

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Texashiker

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That has nothing to do with pi.

How do you figure that?

Whats the circumference of a 13 foot diameter pipe?

I would use pi to get the circumference. Once you have your circumference, then you can figure out how far each degree is around the circumference of the pipe.

I worked in the industrial field for right at 15 years, and never once saw a blueprint with "radians" on it. That was let to the fitter to figure out. The engineer put what degree the pipe was supposed to be at, and I figured out the rest.
 
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DrPizza

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It would certainly make teaching radian measure a bit simpler. Instead of fractions of a half circle, it would be fractions of a whole circle. Otherwise, the minority of people who are making this an issue would be a lot better off placing their efforts elsewhere.
 

Binarycow

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speaking as a math person myself, math people are weird, they are always mentally off in some other unworldly place that they just don't realize their ill attempts at humor are simply annoyances to regular people.
 

Texashiker

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I've seen this mentioned several times in different publications; generally online though. This isn't a new movement; these people have been pushing this for years.

Anyone that uses math in real life, such as the American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME)?

There is a difference between people who do, and people who teach.
 

silverpig

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I've seen this mentioned several times in different publications; generally online though. This isn't a new movement; these people have been pushing this for years.

They do realize that it's just a factor of 2 right?

2 cups, half a quart, it's all the same thing.
 

silverpig

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Anyone that uses math in real life, such as the American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME)?

There is a difference between people who do, and people who teach.

I typically think in radians in real life anyways...

Physicists, EEs, mathmaticians...
 

Farmer

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How do you figure that?

Whats the circumference of a 13 foot diameter pipe?

I would use pi to get the circumference. Once you have your circumference, then you can figure out how far each degree is around the circumference of the pipe.

I worked in the industrial field for right at 15 years, and never once saw a blueprint with "radians" on it. That was let to the fitter to figure out. The engineer put what degree the pipe was supposed to be at, and I figured out the rest.

The quantity pi is fundamental, and any multiples of it are equally fundamental, so whether you want to use pi, 2pi 3pi/2, etc., as a fundamental constant, is pretty much semantics.

If you want to call "all the way around" 2pi or 360 degrees is again a totally pointless discussion, it is trivial to convert between the two. I can say that "all the way around" is actually 5 Farmers, in which case 5 Farmers = 2 pi Radians = 360 degrees. I can introduce arbitrarily many unit designations. Again, just convention and semantics.

Like I said, anyone that uses math for real life applications?

Wow, your bias truly shows. Science and engineering is not limited to looking at blueprints intended for fabrication or construction, nor is it limited to your field, whatever that may be. You are not the only engineer, and not all engineers do it the way you like to do it.

There is a difference between people who do, and people who teach.

I don't know exactly what you are implying by a difference between teaching and doing. Research professors who teach are first and foremost researchers, not teachers.

The physical laws that govern the properties and behavior of the things you are building were all written in a form where radians are natural (unitless), and hence they are unnecessarily cumbersome when represented in degrees. Different group of people, different standard. There is no better standard, there is no correct standard.
 
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Texashiker

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The quantity pi is fundamental,

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Research professors who teach are first and foremost researchers, not teachers.

You did not answer the question.

What is the circumference of a 13 foot diameter pipe?

In inches please.
 
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I see radians used all the time to describe NMR pulse-sequences. But I guess since that's science, it isn't the "real world".
 

Arcadio

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pi will be replaced by tau when the USA switches from their silly customary system to the metric system.
 

Texashiker

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490 inches. I don't see how this is relevant, nor did you address any of my points.

490.088, but close enough.


Wow, your bias truly shows. Science and engineering is not limited to looking at blueprints intended for fabrication or construction, nor is it limited to your field, whatever that may be. You are not the only engineer, and not all engineers do it the way you like to do it.

You are correct.

I don't know exactly what you are implying by a difference between teaching and doing. Research professors who teach are first and foremost researchers, not teachers.

It appears to me that the people that talk about replacing pi are not actually "doing" anything. Most of them are writing on paper, and not showing any real world applications.

Example- I have not seen anyone in a chemical plant talking about how they need an easier way to figure the length and angle of a pipe going from phosgene reactor to a heat exchanger.

Or how about an offshore drilling rig, and the engineer needs a better way to figure the length of support beams.

Or we need a way to figure a certain volume, at certain pressure through a certain sized pipe.


The physical laws that govern the properties and behavior of the things you are building were all written in a form where radians are natural (unitless), and hence they are unnecessarily cumbersome when represented in degrees. Different group of people, different standard. There is no better standard, there is no correct standard.

The correct standard should be one that is the most efficient.
 
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Farmer

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490.088, but close enough.

You gave me 2 sig figs, I can't give you 6.

The correct standard should be one that is the most efficient.

What is most efficient depends on what the you are doing and most importantly on what you're used to.

I met a group of GE Aircraft engineers once. Their standard units are dyne for force, slugs for mass and BTU for energy. I didn't know what the hell they meant 90&#37; of the time. I'm quite certain they laugh at me for using metric.

On the other hand, if I'm making something in the shop, I have no idea what someone means when they give me metric dimensions. Just need to get good intuition for the conversion.
 
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Jeff7

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“That leads to all sorts of unnecessary confusion. If you take a quarter of a circle, it has a quarter of 2pi radians, or half pi. For the number of radians in three quarters of a circle, you have to think about it. It doesn’t come naturally."
"Or if you want to look at half of a circle, it has...well, you know. Radians. Oh fuck off."
 
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