Can a conservative explain to me why i should be paying for Texas' disaster relief when ...

Phokus

Lifer
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... conservatives from southern states (even Texas, lul) were against disaster relief for Northeast states during hurricane sandy?

Both Cruz and Conryn were against relief for the Northeast now they want handouts. This is bullshit. Fuck Texas, imo. I think the free market should sort this one out.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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How about no money for Texas until C&C music factory apologize and explain for being scrooges during Sandy.

Looks like Mike Pence is in the group also. All 3 held up relief because they wanted to offfset aid with domestic spending cuts.
 
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fskimospy

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... conservatives from southern states (even Texas, lul) were against disaster relief for Northeast states during hurricane sandy?

Both Cruz and Conryn were against relief for the Northeast now they want handouts. This is bullshit. Fuck Texas, imo. I think the free market should sort this one out.

I would say 'basic human decency'. You're absolutely right that those conservatives from the south who voted against Sandy relief are terrible, immoral hypocrites. It's hard to see how letting people suffer and die in the states they represent as a lesson to them to vote more intelligently in the future makes you much better than Cruz and company though.

I know it's satisfying to see people suffer consequences for their shittiness, but this is literally people's lives.
 

FIVR

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**** Texas indeed. Any money spent helping out that state will come back to bite every liberal state later. Oh, and don't expect them to vote for any kind of disaster relief for anybody else after you save their a***es again.


Isn't Texas the land of bootstraps? Why can't they figure their own lives out? Why do they always need a handout?
 
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K1052

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Let's not collectively sink to the level of Ted Cruz please. I think it's fine to remind people that certain Senators were assholes and voted against Sandy aid but that all members should vote for Harvey aid (assuming it isn't loaded with something crazy like wall funding, etc).
 

Jaskalas

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Imagine if you could lend these people a hand and convince them that bootstraps are not real. Cannot just give them the money, cannot just ignore them either. There is some sort of finesse in how to best approach the situation.
 

FIVR

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Let's not collectively sink to the level of Ted Cruz please. I think it's fine to remind people that certain Senators were assholes and voted against Sandy aid but that all members should vote for Harvey aid (assuming it isn't loaded with something crazy like wall funding, etc).

Yes let's reward Ted Cruz and the people who keep voting him into office (and the same people who voted for Trump) with a HUGE check and hope they learn their lesson!



/s

PS: Ted Cruz is smart enough to know that you and other liberals aren't smart enough to deny him aid and he will do the exact same thing next time. And I'm sure you'll come in next time and say the same thing too "let's not be like Ted Cruz".... not realizing that Ted himself is betting on you making this stupid rationalization.
 

HomerJS

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I'm amending my first answer. Delay the aid by as many days as the aid for Sandy. Those Texas tards need to learn voting has consequences.

Also take away future funding for Texas up through the next time C&C are up for election.
 

K1052

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PS: Ted Cruz is smart enough to know that you and other liberals aren't smart enough to deny him aid and he will do the exact same thing next time. And I'm sure you'll come in next time and say the same thing too "let's not be like Ted Cruz".... not realizing that Ted himself is betting on you making this stupid rationalization.

Not being such a massive festering asshole that your coworkers would, probably literally, like to see you dead is a goal worthy of us all.
 

HomerJS

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You guys are doing an excellent job of becoming every bit as shitty as the people you claim to despise.
Any other solutions for holding voters responsible for their votes? Or better yet holding C&C responsible for their votes because their constituents don't seem to give a fuck until their redneck asses are in a ringer.

Admittedly that's anger talking
 
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cfenton

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This response is sad to see. Suffering is bad, even if you don't like the people who are suffering. We should always make reasonable efforts to alleviate suffering.

Ted Cruz is terrible and if he votes in favour of aid in this case his hypocrisy should be thrown in his face, but that doesn't mean we should sink to his level.
 
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HomerJS

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This response is sad to see. Suffering is bad, even if you don't like the people who are suffering. We should always make reasonable efforts to alleviate suffering.

Ted Cruz is terrible and if he votes in favour of aid in this case his hypocrisy should be thrown in his face, but that doesn't mean we should sink to his level.
But that only seems to fall on the left. Righties are free to stick it to the country without consequences.

Why can't recall proceedings start for C&C? Let's go Texas Democrats get those petitions started for recalling C&C.
 

ivwshane

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I would say 'basic human decency'. You're absolutely right that those conservatives from the south who voted against Sandy relief are terrible, immoral hypocrites. It's hard to see how letting people suffer and die in the states they represent as a lesson to them to vote more intelligently in the future makes you much better than Cruz and company though.

I know it's satisfying to see people suffer consequences for their shittiness, but this is literally people's lives.

So when they act shitty and it affects people lives and people die as a result of their policies, we should be doing what exactly? The way I see it is that there aren't any consequences for their actions. They can continue voting for shitty politicians, who then vote for shitty policies that affect other people because they know that when it comes to protecting themselves or supporting policies that benefit them that the dems will happily vote along with them. So what's the mechanism to stop this?
 

FIVR

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Not being such a massive festering asshole that your coworkers would, probably literally, like to see you dead is a goal worthy of us all.
You should tell that to Texans. They are the "massive festering assholes" who tried to deny aid to the northeast. And you are here to tell people that they're assholes for treating these festering assholes like assholes? Maybe you're an asshole too, and you are just having sympathy for assholes like yourself?
 
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NesuD

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If Democrats want to guarantee they lose Texas then they should go right ahead and do that. Republicans knew they had zero chance of doing anything in the Northeast so it didn't really cost them anything to vote against the aid. Texas on the other hand is usually in play.
 

fskimospy

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Any other solutions for holding voters responsible for their votes? Or better yet holding C&C responsible for their votes because their constituents don't seem to give a fuck until their redneck asses are in a ringer.

So is your idea that once enough of their friends or family members die or are otherwise ruined that they will choose to vote the way you want? My guess is that it would make them hate you even more than they already do.

Ted Cruz is an abominable human being but all you're doing is taking yourself down to his level.
 

bshole

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One might think that the scale of the damage would give future home buyers some pause. In the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy in 2012, for instance, investors and homeowners had big questions about property values in coastal New York and New Jersey.

But according to an analysis of home values by Zillow, the real estate database company, home buyers have short memories when it comes to storms. It seems that people like living by the ocean so much that they will keep building homes there even when it becomes clear that a storm will periodically destroy them.

If communities want to build on land susceptible to hurricanes, they should not be subsidized by the federal government to do so. They are taxing the entire country to constantly rebuild communities which will be destroyed again in a few years. It is illogical and incredibly SELFISH.

Across the nation, tens of billions of tax dollars have been spent on subsidizing coastal reconstruction in the aftermath of storms, usually with little consideration of whether it actually makes sense to keep rebuilding in disaster-prone areas. If history is any guide, a large fraction of the federal money allotted to New York, New Jersey and other states recovering from Hurricane Sandy — an amount that could exceed $30 billion — will be used the same way.

Tax money will go toward putting things back as they were, essentially duplicating the vulnerability that existed before the hurricane.
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Like many other beachfront towns, Dauphin Island has benefited from the Stafford Act, a federal law that taps the United States Treasury for 75 percent or more of the cost of fixing storm-damaged infrastructure, like roads and utilities.

At least $80 million, adjusted for inflation, has gone into patching up this one island since 1979 — more than $60,000 for every permanent resident. That does not include payments of $72 million to homeowners from the highly subsidized federal flood insurance program.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/19/s...ys-again-critics-stop-to-ask-why.html?mcubz=1
 

FIVR

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But that only seems to fall on the left. Righties are free to stick it to the country without consequences.

This is the lesson shills like Fskimospy and K1052 want us to learn: Turn the other cheek. Be like Jesus.


Liberals are all little christs, and our job is to bring the "gospel" to the philistines in Texas in the form of our checkbooks. It is only right for us to suffer, and them to benefit from our hard work... because we should be christ like and turn the other cheek.
 
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