So Texas not receiving aide will not lead to people dying? That was the question.
As to your straw man, I never said any such thing:
Yes Texas can run up debt and is not totally helpless. Now identify the straw man.
I'm baffled as to why you would support federal assistance for everything except if it's for who you view as Republicans. If that's the case you're just like Ted Cruz.[/b]
I said literally none of those things. Maybe you quoted the wrong person.
That's precisely why helping them doesn't seem to be the smart choice. Not helping them doesn't mean people will die, what it means is that the aftermath and needed clean up won't be funded by the rest of America.
I don't know where people got the idea that if we don't send Texas additional aide that people will die.
So Texas not receiving aide will not lead to people dying? That was the question.
As to your straw man, I never said any such thing:
I responded to this-
Houston is a vital part of America's infrastructure like LA or San Francisco. Catastrophic flooding there is like a catastrophic earthquake in either of those places.
I know what you responded to and it in no way addressed my post.
Oh my god, so your argument is 'Texas can prevent deaths by going into ruinous debt because the federal government has abrogated its responsibilities.'
This is absolutely ridiculous. By your logic the federal government should never fund anything as states can just take out debt. Who knew you were such an anti-fed crusader!
Then by all means clarify your rationale for not helping people in need.
I pointed out that there's a lot more to it than "people will die". Helping Houston *is* the smart choice.
I'm not sure why you are choosing to make this difficult.
My original post in this thread was about political tactics in combating the growth of right wing idealism and its corresponding policies (which boil down to, if its bad for the left its good for the right). I made no mention of morality or what was best for the country because I wasn't arguing against that.
People then made the argument that the federal government should help Texas because not doing so will lead to people dying, I questioned that claim. That's when you decided to respond by saying, "of course people will die". I then asked you to explain how that would happen. You then decided to make my post about something else.
Yes and I never said it wasn't.
Yes and I never said it wasn't.
That's precisely why helping them doesn't seem to be the smart choice. Not helping them doesn't mean people will die, what it means is that the aftermath and needed clean up won't be funded by the rest of America.
Because you've said something manifestly stupid and you are somehow too stubborn to admit it.
Right, because the fact that people will die is obvious to everyone. Even if Texas were to somehow take out bonds to pay for recovery efforts this would take far, far too long to implement and would lead to ruinous cuts elsewhere in Texas that would, once again, lead to excess mortality. You will have both immediate deaths from aid not being distributed in a timely manner and a longer term problem from financing it in a dumb way.
I sincerely have no idea why you're trying to argue this. This thread has really shown that quite a number of 'liberal' posters on here are just as disgustingly partisan as those on the right. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Uhmmm.....
Please. You offered that not helping Houston seemed to be the smart choice when it obviously isn't.
Good god guy! Back up your damn claim! If someone was discussing something with you and they made a claim and you asked them why their claim is correct and they came back with, "its obvious", you would have a field day. Now imagine they added a straw man too!
Someone's being stubborn and its not me.
Uhmmmm....what? Does context suddenly not matter to you?
The poster I responded to was speaking from a political point of view, as was I when I made my original post and the one I responded with. The poster I responded to also acknowledged that "liberals" already agreed they should help, that was never in dispute.
Stick to the facts in your shilling. It's not hard. You almost got halfway there with your 6.5M http://www.nglog.com/about-us/the_usas_busiest_ports
Break out the checkbook fellow liberals, it's time to write a big fat "thank you" check to deplorables and the US state that is arguably more responsible for climate change than half of the rest of the earth. The most hilarious part about this is all the Houston Oil executives who spent their whole careers causing this whole situation and who will have their losses covered by dumb libtards like you and I because "otherwise people will die".
You want me to back up a claim of future events? Jesus Christ, stop being so stubborn and just admit you said something dumb.
Are you arguing that states can raise billions through bond sales as quickly as the feds can? If so, that's dumb and you know it. If not, my point stands. Are you arguing that mass bond issuance that will likely equal approximately 50% of Texas's entire budget wouldn't lead to decreased services or other malign effects that would lead to excess mortality? If so, why bother funding government at all? If not, my point stands. Also, I'm still waiting for you to identify this mysterious straw man, haha.
Finally yes, you are being stubborn and you have your back up because you don't want to admit being wrong. Texas shouldering this burden alone will cause excess mortality and that should be obvious. It's weird that you ever got the idea in your head that it wouldn't.
Lol, tripling down I see. For someone who is good at pointing out when people are using logical fallacies you sure are using alot of them right now.
What's the fallacy called where someone says something is true therefore it is true?
Last seen walking down a yellow brick road with some young lady toting a barking dog along side a squeaking metal man and a scared lion. Sources: Wicked Witch of the West News Service and Flying Monkey Broom CamsNow identify the straw man.
Lol, tripling down I see. For someone who is good at pointing out when people are using logical fallacies you sure are using alot of them right now.
What's the fallacy called where someone says something is true therefore it is true?
LOL. So Houston is the most important port in America, for people other than Americans.
For Americans, literally almost any other large port is far more important. Like, an order of magnitude more important.
We get it. Houston is important for Big Oil. So we should pay instead of them. Break out the checkbooks.
He's stuck. He made an idiotic assertion that can easily be proven wrong (that Houston paying for its own problems will cause excess loss of life) and he (as usual) refuses to address that statement.
Now watch him get angry and start exclaiming how angry you are as projection. LOL.
By all means prove my 'idiotic' assertion wrong then! There's a previous post to him that you conveniently ignored that provides you with ample opportunity to do so.
Since it's so easy you should be able to do so in no time. I eagerly await it!
You guys went full pedantic, man. Never go full pedantic.