Can a conservative explain to me why i should be paying for Texas' disaster relief when ...

[fskimospy]

This is the lesson shills like Fskimospy and K1052 want us to learn: Turn the other cheek. Be like Jesus.

Liberals are all little christs, and our job is to bring the "gospel" to the philistines in Texas in the form of our checkbooks. It is only right for us to suffer, and them to benefit from our hard work... because we should be christ like and turn the other cheek.

Either that or collective punishment for people in states who elected people you don't like is both inhumane and counterproductive.

Do you really think people in Texas would take their ruin and say to themselves 'man, I guess we shouldn't have elected Ted Cruz' or do you think they will simply do what you're doing and double down/return the favor in the future? They will hate you even more.

 

[FIVR]

Texas on the other hand is usually in play.

See. The deplorables are telling you that you can win texas if you give them the check. Just do it, they'll remember your generosity.

 

[HomerJS]

So is your idea that once enough of their friends or family members die or are otherwise ruined that they will choose to vote the way you want? My guess is that it would make them hate you even more than they already do.

Ted Cruz is an abominable human being but all you're doing is taking yourself down to his level.

That's the problem. I would not want aid withheld form them but I have yet to hear how any of those shithead voters or Senators will be held responsible. Democrats are way to passive. Believe me Republicans find ways to hold Dems responsible for votes that go bad. This is the same result we got with Trump. Who is held responsible?

I think a recall of those 2 nudnicks needs to start. Texas Dems better get off their passive assess and get started.

 

[Jaskalas]

How about funding for the people, the victims of this storm and flood, but we should reconsider funds for rebuilding Houston in its flood plain.

 

[JSt0rm]

what we dont need to do is feed our feel good rage. Save peoples lives then point out their bullshit. When los angeles gets hit with a big earthquake and we are all dying in the streets I fully expect conservatives to cheer but we dont need to act like them.

 

[PricklyPete]

I would say 'basic human decency'. You're absolutely right that those conservatives from the south who voted against Sandy relief are terrible, immoral hypocrites. It's hard to see how letting people suffer and die in the states they represent as a lesson to them to vote more intelligently in the future makes you much better than Cruz and company though.

I know it's satisfying to see people suffer consequences for their shittiness, but this is literally people's lives.

Let's not collectively sink to the level of Ted Cruz please. I think it's fine to remind people that certain Senators were assholes and voted against Sandy aid but that all members should vote for Harvey aid (assuming it isn't loaded with something crazy like wall funding, etc).

This. You don't win by sinking to their level.

 

[FIVR]

Do you really think people in Texas would take their ruin and say to themselves 'man, I guess we shouldn't have elected Ted Cruz' or do you think they will simply do what you're doing and double down/return the favor in the future? They will hate you even more.

No. I think they stand to benefit more from a big bailout aid check than they do from nothing. I think they will use that aid check to rebuild their industries and supply more money to political campaigns that texans like (aka nazis like Trump) and those nazis will do much better in the end (years from now) thanks to the big check you want to write them.

So my argument is we deny them the check and we spend it on programs to help the environment or something useful. Anything but help a state that destroys more of our physical and political environment than any other.

 

[Commodus]

I don't think there should be any hesitation in helping Texas.

But when 2018 rolls around, you'd better believe that Democrats should be reminding Texas voters that the Republicans have been trying to gut disaster relief programs, and purposefully withheld Hurricane Sandy relief. Drive it home to the point where the GOP candidates are squirming in debates.

 

[K1052]

How about funding for the people, the victims of this storm and flood, but we should reconsider funds for rebuilding Houston in its flood plain.

I think the current administration would view that as "excessive regulation". All this and more will be rebuilt into the hazard areas pretty much guaranteed.

 

[dphantom]

... conservatives from southern states (even Texas, lul) were against disaster relief for Northeast states during hurricane sandy?

Both Cruz and Conryn were against relief for the Northeast now they want handouts. This is bullshit. Fuck Texas, imo. I think the free market should sort this one out.

Neither were against legitimate aid. The problem with the Sandy aid bill was it was heavily loaded with unrelated spending such as aid for Alaska fisheries, government agency vehicles, Amtrak expenses, repairing a room at the smithsonian and so forth. So, yes, a misrepresentation of history.

 

[HomerJS]

Neither were against legitimate aid. The problem with the Sandy aid bill was it was heavily loaded with unrelated spending such as aid for Alaska fisheries, government agency vehicles, Amtrak expenses, repairing a room at the smithsonian and so forth. So, yes, a misrepresentation of history.

You seem to forget Republicans wanted offsetting spending cuts which caused a 90 day delay.

 

[HomerJS]

Before handing citizens their aid, ask then did they vote for C&C. Remind them those two voted against Sandy aid and ask what they think about that.

After their answer turn over the aid.

 

[fskimospy]

No. I think they stand to benefit more from a big bailout aid check than they do from nothing. I think they will use that aid check to rebuild their industries and supply more money to political campaigns that texans like (aka nazis like Trump) and those nazis will do much better in the end (years from now) thanks to the big check you want to write them.

So my argument is we deny them the check and we spend it on programs to help the environment or something useful. Anything but help a state that destroys more of our physical and political environment than any other.

So to be clear you want us to willfully forego aid to lives threatened or ruined by a natural disaster in order to limit their political contributions in the future? That's both terrible and stupid.

Also, quick question: who exactly do you think I'm shilling for here anyway? I'm genuinely interested!

 

[K1052]

Neither were against legitimate aid. The problem with the Sandy aid bill was it was heavily loaded with unrelated spending such as aid for Alaska fisheries, government agency vehicles, Amtrak expenses, repairing a room at the smithsonian and so forth. So, yes, a misrepresentation of history.

Most of it did go to short and long term aid. As I recall none other than Chris Christie excoriated Cruz publicly for his self serving grandstanding on this point of principle.

I'm entirely sure that some unrelated spending will be packed into the Harvey bill by the GOP too but will bet anything that Cruz will sure as shit not vote against it's passage.

 

[cfenton]

But that only seems to fall on the left. Righties are free to stick it to the country without consequences.

Why can't recall proceedings start for C&C? Let's go Texas Democrats get those petitions started for recalling C&C.

Some people will be dirtbags, there's nothing we can do about that other than point out their dirtbagery. However, that doesn't make it right to be dirtbags ourselves.

 

[dphantom]

You seem to forget Republicans wanted offsetting spending cuts which caused a 90 day delay.

I didn't. What is wrong with that especially with a bill loaded with non-aid related expenditures?

 

[bshole]

How about funding for the people, the victims of this storm and flood, but we should reconsider funds for rebuilding Houston in its flood plain.

We are speaking the same language. The federal government should be taking the lead in encouraging people to not live in vulnerable areas, instead they are doing the exact opposite. Do people actually believe these areas are going to become less vulnerable as sea levels continue to rise?

 

[dphantom]

Most of it did go to short and long term aid. As I recall none other than Chris Christie excoriated Cruz publicly for his self serving grandstanding on this point of principle.

I'm entirely sure that some unrelated spending will be packed into the Harvey bill by the GOP too but will bet anything that Cruz will sure as shit not vote against it's passage.

If there is unrelated spending, then that bill, too, should be stopped.

 

[Atreus21]

I would say 'basic human decency'. You're absolutely right that those conservatives from the south who voted against Sandy relief are terrible, immoral hypocrites. It's hard to see how letting people suffer and die in the states they represent as a lesson to them to vote more intelligently in the future makes you much better than Cruz and company though.

I know it's satisfying to see people suffer consequences for their shittiness, but this is literally people's lives.

Well said sir. Ted Cruz, as a senator from a state that spends half of each year staring down the gun barrel that is the Gulf during hurricane season, should've known better.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

On a related note let's see Trump suggest a Government shut down over funding the wall now.
I predict he'll blame the storm & Democrats for a failed wall bid.

 

[K1052]

If there is unrelated spending, then that bill, too, should be stopped.

The argument itself is hypocritical. Whenever one of these senators have a disaster hit their state and they need money these concerns mysteriously evaporate in the urgency of the situation only to reappear when a future opportunity to be partisan presents itself. When one of them throws themselves in front of this train when their own state is in need I'll believe their "principles" are real and not just born out of political convenience.

Once in a while the true motivation actually leaks out like when Cotton blatantly said that Arkansas shouldn't help the Northeast re: Sandy aid.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Neither were against legitimate aid. The problem with the Sandy aid bill was it was heavily loaded with unrelated spending such as aid for Alaska fisheries, government agency vehicles, Amtrak expenses, repairing a room at the smithsonian and so forth. So, yes, a misrepresentation of history.

You're ruining the narrative by presenting facts. They need to gloat and stigginit to Texans because they lost an election.

 

[Jhhnn]

You guys are doing an excellent job of becoming every bit as shitty as the people you claim to despise.

Agreed. They do a fine job of depersonalizing their fellow Americans, as is the tradition of the far right. They go on like Texas is just one guy, one jerk, when it's millions of people who don't necessarily agree with their right wing leadership at all.

Hillary Clinton, for example, got nearly 4M votes in Texas out of under 9M cast.

Just because Ted Cruz embraces the ideology of spite & greed doesn't give the rest of us reason to act the same way. He's the asshole, not me.

 

[dphantom]

You're ruining the narrative by presenting facts. They need to gloat and stigginit to Texans because they lost an election.

It is doubtful any facts will actually change opinions.

 

[K1052]

You're ruining the narrative by presenting facts. They need to gloat and stigginit to Texans because they lost an election.

An assertion is not a fact. Yes, unrelated spending was included in the Sandy bill but as an overall proportion of the money it was small. This has happened in basically every aid bill that congress has passed in my memory. Also it's not like a Democratic majority passed it out of the house in the first place either. Fiscal hawks are super hawky when it's not their asses and seats on the line. I eagerly await them to propose spending offsets or vote against a bill Harvey because its bad to spend money.