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agent00f

Lifer
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I understand that it's morally wrong to sort Americans in need according to political ideology.

Even if you do, it's important to actually demonize the "right" people & you're utterly wrong about Houston. It's a majority-minority city that voted for Clinton in the 2016 election-

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/election/national/

Your shit is even weaker than usual.

No, it's entirely correct to sort recipients of charity by worthiness, I do believe that's how all charities do it but I'll leave it to you to prove them wrong.

Also kind of you to help demonstrate my argument by keep buckshitting about houston.
 

Fern

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... conservatives from southern states (even Texas, lul) were against disaster relief for Northeast states during hurricane sandy?

Both Cruz and Conryn were against relief for the Northeast now they want handouts. This is bullshit. Fuck Texas, imo. I think the free market should sort this one out.

"Against relief for the Northeast"?

I don't recall anyone against relief for those affected by the hurricane Sandy.

The opposition arose from pork spending crammed into the bill mostly unrelated to those in the NE and/or even hurricane Sandy damage.

If the Repubs try to do likewise I hope it will be opposed as well.

#reinventhistorywithspin&BS

The $33.7 billion installment is facing severe resistance because some of it would go to projects and programs far from the hurricane disaster zone, and much of it, although related to Hurricane Sandy, can barely be considered emergency aid.

The list of nonemergency items is considerable: $25 million to improve weather forecasting and hurricane intensity predictions; $118 million for Amtrak’s Northeast corridor, with only $32 million for storm-related repairs; $16 billion in development funds for any community declared a disaster zone from 2011 to 2013; and $2 billion for highway spending nationwide.

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To be sure, House Republicans have removed a number of items included in the Senate bill that vaguely resembled pork-barrel spending and were included to win enough votes in that chamber to ensure the bill’s passage late last year.

Among the items removed were $150 million for fisheries in Alaska and Mississippi and $56 million for the West Coast to clean up debris from the 2011 tsunami in Japan. But while their removal was intended to mollify fiscal conservatives in the House, it might undermine support for the package in the Senate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/n...f-bill-amid-battle-over-spending.html?mcubz=1

Fern
 

Jhhnn

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No, it's entirely correct to sort recipients of charity by worthiness, I do believe that's how all charities do it but I'll leave it to you to prove them wrong.

Also kind of you to help demonstrate my argument by keep buckshitting about houston.

Just stop. Even by your warped standards, Houston deserves our help but you would deny them in a frenzy of otherizing & depersonalization of fellow Americans. That's precisely the tactic of alt-right trolls everywhere.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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Just stop. Even by your warped standards, Houston deserves our help but you would deny them in a frenzy of otherizing & depersonalization of fellow Americans. That's precisely the tactic of alt-right trolls everywhere.

It's simple to see that ethical people are more worthy of ethical charity than wholly selfish pieces of shit. Unless of course someone is compelled to comply with every advice from the latter. If there's enough money left over it would demonstrate the character of ethical people to help even the undeserving, but too bad said shits kept cutting the charity money available. Seems the almighty has a sense of karmic justice after all.
 

Jhhnn

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It's simple to see that ethical people are more worthy of ethical charity than wholly selfish pieces of shit. Unless of course someone is compelled to comply with every advice from the latter. If there's enough money left over it would demonstrate the character of ethical people to help even the undeserving, but too bad said shits kept cutting the charity money available. Seems the almighty has a sense of karmic justice after all.

So, the people of Houston are all wholly selfish pieces of shit... merely because you need for them to be to have a valid argument. So what makes them pieces of shit? That they're mostly minorities? That they voted for Clinton? What exactly gives you the right to characterize them in such a scurrilous fashion?
 

agent00f

Lifer
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So, the people of Houston are all wholly selfish pieces of shit... merely because you need for them to be to have a valid argument. So what makes them pieces of shit? That they're mostly minorities? That they voted for Clinton? What exactly gives you the right to characterize them in such a scurrilous fashion?

You would've made a pretty good buckshot had civil rights gone differently.
 
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"Against relief for the Northeast"?

I don't recall anyone against relief for those affected by the hurricane Sandy.

The opposition arose from pork spending crammed into the bill mostly unrelated to those in the NE and/or even hurricane Sandy damage.

If the Repubs try to do likewise I hope it will be opposed as well.

#reinventhistorywithspin&BS


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/n...f-bill-amid-battle-over-spending.html?mcubz=1

Fern

This is why I'm holding judgement until I see the bill.
Somehow I'm betting wall funding makes it into the aid package. I doubt there will be a clean aid bill.
 
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agent00f

Lifer
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Why don't we just let Texas secede and deal with it?

That's what they want deep down anyways.

Rural texans can reinstitute slavery and all conservatives and a few democrats would still keep pumping everyone's money their way.

Rather perfectly explains why they never learn a lesson.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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"Against relief for the Northeast"?

I don't recall anyone against relief for those affected by the hurricane Sandy.

The opposition arose from pork spending crammed into the bill mostly unrelated to those in the NE and/or even hurricane Sandy damage.

If the Repubs try to do likewise I hope it will be opposed as well.

#reinventhistorywithspin&BS


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/n...f-bill-amid-battle-over-spending.html?mcubz=1

Fern

I got $5 bucks we can use the search function to find you defending not funding sandy relief.
 
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I would say 'basic human decency'. You're absolutely right that those conservatives from the south who voted against Sandy relief are terrible, immoral hypocrites. It's hard to see how letting people suffer and die in the states they represent as a lesson to them to vote more intelligently in the future makes you much better than Cruz and company though.

I know it's satisfying to see people suffer consequences for their shittiness, but this is literally people's lives.
I want relief to pass. But I want the Northeastern delegation to remind them all that they are voting for aid because it is the right thing to do, even when the GOP couldn't be bothered to step up for Sandy aid.
 
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FIVR

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So, the people of Houston are all wholly selfish pieces of shit... merely because you need for them to be to have a valid argument. So what makes them pieces of shit? That they're mostly minorities? That they voted for Clinton? What exactly gives you the right to characterize them in such a scurrilous fashion?

You can stop pretending Houston is some liberal oasis full of HRC supporters.


https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/texas?mcubz=3


LOL funny enough it looks like the hurricane is mostly focused around the reddest areas too. The liberal areas (very few of them) to the south were mostly missed by the hurricane and have already cleared up. God in his heaven, alls right with the world.
 
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Jhhnn

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A simple observable fact you're trying your hardest to never understand what's been said, just like your role model.

Even worse. I understand the situation. We have a major metropolitan area suffering from an enormous natural disaster. All decent Americans want the govt to help. It happens to be a majority minority city that voted for Hillary.

According to you, we should deny them aid because... racist degens! are your constant straw man target.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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Even worse. I understand the situation. We have a major metropolitan area suffering from an enormous natural disaster. All decent Americans want the govt to help. It happens to be a majority minority city that voted for Hillary.

According to you, we should deny them aid because... racist degens! are your constant straw man target.

I never said anything about houston. That's your little buckshit play.
 

Jhhnn

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You can stop pretending Houston is some liberal oasis full of HRC supporters.


https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/texas?mcubz=3


LOL funny enough it looks like the hurricane is mostly focused around the reddest areas too. The liberal areas (very few of them) to the south were mostly missed by the hurricane and have already cleared up. God in his heaven, alls right with the world.

She won Houston by a greater margin than she won the national popular vote. It's also a majority-minority city.

None of that matters to me at all but it should matter to Agent who somehow manages to go on about how they're racist degens unworthy of our help.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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and similarly it's in the interest of democrats/liberals to feel their charity will convert wholly self-interested people.

How do seniors like their social security? Think someone can vote to take it away?
Imagine if we give the storm victims a basic income for a year or two. How many do you think would vote to continue it?
Convert is a fun word, but I'd like to think of it as realigning their self interest.

Most opponents actually think you mean to harm them. While you work to prove them right, I'll work to prove them wrong. Not about you, but about the DNC. That they are welcomed to vote in our shared interest, and how that interest might be shared in the first place. It's about basic humanity, and building connections to other people. Shame that somewhere along the way you lost that.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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How do seniors like their social security? Think someone can vote to take it away?
Imagine if we give the storm victims a basic income for a year or two. How many do you think would vote to continue it?
Convert is a fun word, but I'd like to think of it as realigning their self interest.

Most opponents actually think you mean to harm them. While you work to prove them right, I'll work to prove them wrong. Not about you, but about the DNC. That they are welcomed to vote in our shared interest, and how that interest might be shared in the first place. It's about basic humanity, and building connections to other people. Shame that somewhere along the way you lost that.

Understandable that rewarding degeneracy is what degenerates are looking for, and of course Jhhnn types will predictably comply. Hell, he'll even follow buckshot or whatever the cost to help you guys out.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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Houston is at the heart of the disaster area. There are probably more Houstonians adversely effected than all other areas combined because it's a densely populated metropolitan area.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Texas_population_map2.png

But Racist Degens! anyway, right?

I made a simple statement about ethics, and a statement that you'll do everything in your power to never understand it just like buckshot.

I do love it when adversaries prove me right.
 
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