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Jhhnn

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a relief bill should only be about relief, the dishonest democrats adding on all sorts of pet projects was why some politicians voted no. as usual all you see is a no vote but not why the no vote. party on losers.

And pigs should have wings, too.

You really have no idea who added riders to the bill, either.
 

LPCTech

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The reason we should pay for disaster relief is because there was a disaster. We are liberals and not evil. There was a disaster and so therefore we will send in relief regardless of our perception of the political leanings of the victims.

Its conservatives, who are evil, who do otherwise.

Thats why.

(if you voted for DJT you are evil. Or perhaps impossibly stupid, but stupidity is an evil so..)
 
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fskimospy

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a relief bill should only be about relief, the dishonest democrats adding on all sorts of pet projects was why some politicians voted no. as usual all you see is a no vote but not why the no vote. party on losers.

Ah yes we all know how Ted Cruz is a crusader against attaching personal priorities to funding bills!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2013

lolwut.

Cruz needed an excuse to vote against it and he found one. If the exact same bill had come up but it was Texas that needed help he would have voted for it in a second and we both know it. He's a hypocritical asshole.
 

bshole

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The reason we should pay for disaster relief is because there was a disaster. We are liberals and not evil. There was a disaster and so therefore we will send in relief regardless of our perception of the political leanings of the victims.

Its conservatives, who are evil, who do otherwise.

Thats why.

I don't believe there are many humans that are outright evil. Most of us have some good and some bad in us.
 

agent00f

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I don't believe there are many humans that are outright evil. Most of us have some good and some bad in us.

Most people and conservatives especially do what is in their self-interest. For example, its in the self-interest for red area to milk all the money out of blue areas they can, and similarly it's in the interest of democrats/liberals to feel their charity will convert wholly self-interested people.

And so we play this game where trumpsters pretend they'll stop being trumpsters if only they get enough benefits. There's something to be said for the goodness of charity, but not for being played so easily.
 

Smoblikat

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... conservatives from southern states (even Texas, lul) were against disaster relief for Northeast states during hurricane sandy?

Both Cruz and Conryn were against relief for the Northeast now they want handouts. This is bullshit. Fuck Texas, imo. I think the free market should sort this one out.

Not a conservative, but how about we compromise? We can help everybody who isnt cruz and conryn, sound good?
 

Jhhnn

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Most people and conservatives especially do what is in their self-interest. For example, its in the self-interest for red area to milk all the money out of blue areas they can, and similarly it's in the interest of democrats/liberals to feel their charity will convert wholly self-interested people.

And so we play this game where trumpsters pretend they'll stop being trumpsters if only they get enough benefits. There's something to be said for the goodness of charity, but not for being played so easily.

We're not trying to convert them. We're just helping our fellow Americans in time of need.

Natural disasters should transcend partisan politics so we treat them that way. It's called country before party.
 

agent00f

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We're not trying to convert them. We're just helping our fellow Americans in time of need.

Natural disasters should transcend partisan politics so we treat them that way. It's called country before party.

Then portray it for what is, charity for even the least worthy because liberals simply possess superior ethics.

Or get strung along by the degenerates here appealing to ethnics in others as if they'll ever possess any themselves, your call.
 

Starbuck1975

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Ok I'll bite. Exact same bill for Texas do you think Cruz votes no?

Be honest.
Most politicians are hypocrites. Republicans, and Cruz in particular, more so because they take "principled" stances against government spending when it is polically convenient to do so.

I am commenting more on the tone I am seeing in places like the NY Times comments, which this OP exemplifies, which is attempting to score points over a disaster.
 

agent00f

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Most politicians are hypocrites. Republicans, and Cruz in particular, more so because they take "principled" stances against government spending when it is polically convenient to do so.

I am commenting more on the tone I am seeing in places like the NY Times comments, which this OP exemplifies, which is attempting to score points over a disaster.

Yeah, those who don't see the value of charity towards the least deserving are the Real problem. People like this might never understand principles, but they do understand consequences real quick.
 

Jhhnn

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Then portray it for what is, charity for even the least worthy because liberals simply possess superior ethics.

Or get strung along by the degenerates here appealing to ethnics in others as if they'll ever possess any themselves, your call.

Part of having superior ethics is seeing Americans in need as victims of circumstances beyond their control, not with the faux moralisms you employ.
 

BoomerD

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Sadly, I'm gonna side with the "We SHOULD help those in need, but since their elected officials don't seem to think so...let them eat cake." crowd.

Let the following congresscritters explain to their constituents why America should help them when they voted to not help other Americans in similar need following Hurricane Sandy:

Ted Cruz (R-TX)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Conaway (R-TX)
Bill Flores (R-TX)
Louie Gohmert (R-TX)
Kenny Marchant (R-TX)
Randy Neugebauer (R-TX)
Mac Thornberry (R-TX)
Randy Weber (R-TX)
Roger Williams (R-TX)
 
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agent00f

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Part of having superior ethics is seeing Americans in need as victims of circumstances beyond their control, not with the faux moralisms you employ.

Conservatives here are basically in the unenviable position of arguing for the baddie in movies who begs forgiveness after wronging a host of innocents. It's their duty to protect the worst hypocrites when it comes to charity, same as the nazis/klan they also consider their own. And it's your duty to get played and comply with everything they suggest.

Everything in its place.
 

Paratus

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The city being hit the worst by Harvey currently is Houston. Houston is a very purple city. So if you somehow think witholding emergency funds and services will teach your political opponents a lesson, think again.

Instead let's remember we are all Americans and try to treat each other as such.

(For full transparency I'm one of the ones affected (potentially) by this storm)


As for not building along the coast almost 40% of the country lives in a coastal county.....
 
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agent00f

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The city being hit the worst by Harvey currently is Houston. Houston is a very purple city. So if you somehow think witholding emergency funds and services will teach your political opponents a lesson, think again.

Instead let's remember we are all Americans and try to treat each other as such.

(For full transparency I'm one of the ones affected (potentially) by this storm)


As for not building along the coast almost 40% of the country lives in a coastal county.....

Seems you implicitly agree it might be best to prioritize funds to those who might reciprocate.
 

JSt0rm

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@boomerang Do you know what I get in return? A stable country that I can work in without worrying about roving bands of conservative marauders killing and murdering jews, blacks and gays. I get a CDC. I get highways.I get a lot for my money. you get a lot for my money too, you fucking deplorable.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Conservatives here are basically in the unenviable position of arguing for the baddie in movies who begs forgiveness after wronging a host of innocents. It's their duty to protect the worst hypocrites when it comes to charity, same as the nazis/klan they also consider their own. And it's your duty to get played and comply with everything they suggest.

Everything in its place.

Repeating a lie over and over doesn't make it true. To be honest, it seems to me that you're just going on as usual about racist degens in a situation where that doesn't matter to principled people at all. What matters is that Americans who need help get help.

Your head is up your ass about Houston, anyway, because it's actually a majority-minority city-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Houston#Race_and_ethnic_origins

I personally wouldn't care if it was as lily white as Montana or as black as Nigeria.
 

agent00f

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Repeating a lie over and over doesn't make it true. To be honest, it seems to me that you're just going on as usual about racist degens in a situation where that doesn't matter to principled people at all. What matters is that Americans who need help get help.

Your head is up your ass about Houston, anyway, because it's actually a majority-minority city-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Houston#Race_and_ethnic_origins

I personally wouldn't care if it was as lily white as Montana or as black as Nigeria.

It's just a matter of fact that conservatives reliably vote against charity except when it comes to themselves, just as it's a matter of fact that you'll comply with their every advice for liberals because it's preferable to acknowledging otherwise.
 

Jhhnn

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It's just a matter of fact that conservatives reliably vote against charity except when it comes to themselves, just as it's a matter of fact that you'll comply with their every advice for liberals.

Desperate resort to your usual innuendo. If you want to support minorities, you should support aid to Houston because they're mostly minorities, not the white racist degens of your imagination.

I don't care about any of that, but you're actually contradicting yourself here. It's easy to do when you're completely insincere about you motivations which are apparently just to promote divisiveness by spreading the FUD.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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Desperate resort to your usual innuendo. If you want to support minorities, you should support aid to Houston because they're mostly minorities, not the white racist degens of your imagination.

I don't care about any of that, but you're actually contradicting yourself here. It's easy to do when you're completely insincere about you motivations which are apparently just to promote divisiveness by spreading the FUD.

Of course we should prioritize aid to people who posses the basic ethics to reciprocate, and less so for those who don't. Resources are limited in the real world after all. Looks a pretty simple statement to me, even if you'll do your best to channel buckshot and never understand it.
 
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Jhhnn

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Of course we should prioritize aid to people who posses the basic ethics to reciprocate, and less so for those who don't. Resources are limited in the real world after all. Looks a pretty simple statement to me, even if you'll do your best to channel buckshot and never understand it.

I understand that it's morally wrong to sort Americans in need according to political ideology.

Even if you do, it's important to actually demonize the "right" people & you're utterly wrong about Houston. It's a majority-minority city that voted for Clinton in the 2016 election-

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/election/national/

Your shit is even weaker than usual.
 
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