Can a GTX 1060 max out WoW at 1920x1080?

[Sonikku]

WoW was CPU limited for the first half of its life but became GPU limited starting with Cataclysm. The 1060 is great for WoW but you're not getting 140fps with it. Legion tripled the draw distance. If you want to play Legion with all the new effects on expect far fewer fps than what that WoD benchmark suggests. (Though still way above 60). It's perhaps still a little overkill, though not as much as it would have been a month ago.

 

[Lyfer]

Would wow make a big difference on a 144hz monitors? Or is that a shooter FPS thing?

 

[IEC]

WoW is still very much CPU limited in the places where your FPS tanks the most. It's just how MMOs are by their nature (poor multithreading, lots of NPCs/player avatars and tons of action going on).

 

[railven]

Would wow make a big difference on a 144hz monitors? Or is that a shooter FPS thing?

For the time I had a 120hz monitor, WoW didn't feel...smoother. I mean, it obviously was, but the game doesn't require split second response time from shooters, and the fire that will kill you in a raid is essential scripted and you dying to it has more to with your own response time than your monitor's refresh time.

At least I felt that way. And I got a little nausea from panning the camera full circle around. Haha.

 

[railven]

Mother of God what is the level 10 graphic setting doing?

GTX 980 Ti Clocks +250/250
1440p

40-45 FPS in Garrison, dips into the 30s quiet often. Where as before I could do 4K 60FPS locked.

Oh dear. Oh my. Time to sex up the fiancee and get me a Titan X!!!

(Holy cow, means her 780 Lightning is going to do worse! )

 

[nurturedhate]

Mother of God what is the level 10 graphic setting doing?

GTX 980 Ti Clocks +250/250
1440p

40-45 FPS in Garrison, dips into the 30s quiet often. Where as before I could do 4K 60FPS locked.

Oh dear. Oh my. Time to sex up the fiancee and get me a Titan X!!!

(Holy cow, means her 780 Lightning is going to do worse! )

Something sounds wrong there. Do you have the AA cranked all the way up maybe?

I get 60+ fps in my garrison standing at the fountain looking towards the 3 small huts and the entrance (lowest fps area I could find in the garrison) with settings on 10 and MSAA 4x. If I change over to SSAA 4x + CMAA I'm around 45-50. Granted this is at 1080p but I'm also only using a 780ti at 1137mhz.

 

[nurturedhate]

For the time I had a 120hz monitor, WoW didn't feel...smoother. I mean, it obviously was, but the game doesn't require split second response time from shooters, and the fire that will kill you in a raid is essential scripted and you dying to it has more to with your own response time than your monitor's refresh time.

At least I felt that way. And I got a little nausea from panning the camera full circle around. Haha.

Yea, running 144hz here and it doesn't do a thing. In situations where it could potentially be useful we are at sub 60fps anyway due to cpu bottlenecks.

 

[railven]

Something sounds wrong there. Do you have the AA cranked all the way up maybe?

I get 60+ fps in my garrison standing at the fountain looking towards the 3 small huts and the entrance (lowest fps area I could find in the garrison) with settings on 10 and MSAA 4x. If I change over to SSAA 4x + CMAA I'm around 45-50. Granted this is at 1080p but I'm also only using a 780ti at 1137mhz.

Something must be wrong, just realized GPU load is @ 50%.

Settings:
Graphics: 10
Resolution: 2560x1440
Triple Buffering On
AA: CMAA


Standing top of the garrison stairwell look over my town
40 FPS
GPU load: 50%
Clocks: 1440
Memory: 3750
Volts: 1.19
Temp: 39C
CPU Load: 29%
CPU Clocks: 4400

Freaking weird. I wonder if it's an NV Panel setting? I still haven't updated to the most recent drivers, I'm on 368.39.

 

[Jaskalas]

CPU Load: 29%, but is that an accurate picture?
The primary core used might be 100%.

 

[nurturedhate]

Something must be wrong, just realized GPU load is @ 50%.

Settings:
Graphics: 10
Resolution: 2560x1440
Triple Buffering On
AA: CMAA


Standing top of the garrison stairwell look over my town
40 FPS
GPU load: 50%
Clocks: 1440
Memory: 3750
Volts: 1.19
Temp: 39C
CPU Load: 29%
CPU Clocks: 4400

Freaking weird. I wonder if it's an NV Panel setting? I still haven't updated to the most recent drivers, I'm on 368.39.

I noticed the utilization rate as well late last night. Went and killed archi and kazzak and utilization rate was fine there, was fine in stormshield as well. Not sure what's going on in the garrison. Will keep an eye on it for a while and see if I can find other places that it is happening in.

Edit: on driver 368.81
Wife is using a 390, will have to check her system as well

 

[railven]

CPU Load: 29%, but is that an accurate picture?
The primary core used might be 100%.

You'd figure I'd be GPU bottlenecked not CPU bottlenecked in this situation? Haha.

I need to format the rig anyways, been getting some random errors from MSI AB and AIDA64.

I noticed the utilization rate as well late last night. Went and killed archi and kazzak and utilization rate was fine there, was fine in stormshield as well. Not sure what's going on in the garrison. Will keep an eye on it for a while and see if I can find other places that it is happening in.

Edit: on driver 368.81
Wife is using a 390, will have to check her system as well

I dropped it to 7 which is what was said here was the equivalent of Ultra pre 7.0. Hit 60 FPS no problem. GPU utilization didn't seem to go up either.

I'm wondering if its an out-dated mod not playing nice or as above, perhaps a mod is running wild on my CPU and because I'm using MSI AB's overall to display load not individual thread/core I'm not seeing it.

Will tinker tonight while I clear out bags (love the new transmog system, about damn time.)

 

[Headfoot]

It seems insanely pointless to add a bunch of fluffy effects that gobble up power onto an ancient 2004 era engine that was designed to be mainstream in 2004. I can't believe people still play WoW at all to be honest.

 

[nurturedhate]

You'd figure I'd be GPU bottlenecked not CPU bottlenecked in this situation? Haha.

I need to format the rig anyways, been getting some random errors from MSI AB and AIDA64.



I dropped it to 7 which is what was said here was the equivalent of Ultra pre 7.0. Hit 60 FPS no problem. GPU utilization didn't seem to go up either.

I'm wondering if its an out-dated mod not playing nice or as above, perhaps a mod is running wild on my CPU and because I'm using MSI AB's overall to display load not individual thread/core I'm not seeing it.

Will tinker tonight while I clear out bags (love the new transmog system, about damn time.)

Tested the wife's system, 2500k+390, exhibiting similar issues. GPU utilization is at 100% but core clocks are hovering around 550mhz. Very odd behavior.

 

[kami]

It seems insanely pointless to add a bunch of fluffy effects that gobble up power onto an ancient 2004 era engine that was designed to be mainstream in 2004. I can't believe people still play WoW at all to be honest.

Fluffy effects added to a "2004 engine" is selling it short. Modern WoW looks quite good at max settings.

People play WoW because they keep adding content.

 

[Headfoot]

Fluffy effects added to a "2004 engine" is selling it short. Modern WoW looks quite good at max settings.

People play WoW because they keep adding content.

Eh. I find it hard to be excited about fancy resource intensive effects slapped on a low poly engine that's still mostly single threaded.

I suppose you're right, the engine pre-dates 2004 since that was when it was released, not developed.

 

[Sonikku]

Jeez, 1060 rips this game to shreds. Perfect.

Thanks.

This coupled with the blatant lack of 480 stock a full month after release is what made me buy a 1060 instead. I may have waited if I had not been looking at 30% less performance for similar money. But for me a 6gb 1060 for $255 off the egg after shipping beats $251 after tax for a 4gb Nitro off Amazon. Especially for WoW and overwatch.

 

[railven]

So I finally got around to updating EVERYTHING on my rig (least the software I use). It got rid of some other issues, but didn't fix my WoW issue.

Starting to suspect it's something at the driver level.

WoW 64.exe
settings @ 10
Resolution 1440p
Triple buffer On
AA none
FPS hard limit 60 (for testing purposes, but even if set to no limit/v-sync still acts weird)

System is mine in the sig, OC +200 on Mem/Core, temps <50C, MSI AB power tune @ 109% unlinked to temp limit (doesn't matter not even coming close) run fan at 30% (not audible over system fan) to keep VRMs cool.


On to what I noticed.
As is, settings @ 10 (ie new Ultra), I get the following (I tested this standing in one place looking at the same spot, variations to FPS is due to NPCs coming in and out of view, but not enough to explain the following)
@1440p - no AA
FPS: 40-45
GPU Load: 45%

@1440 - 4xSSAA
FPS: 40-45
GPU load: 99%

@1440 - No AA, Scaling 125%
FPS: 40-45
GPU load: 55%

@1440 - No AA, Scaling 150%
FPS: 40-45
GPU load: 80%

@1440 - No AA, Scaling 200%
FPS: 40-45
GPU Load: 99%


It's like...the FPS wouldn't budge. It stayed at 45, even trying to bring the system to its knees with 200% scaling. Gonna try 4K resolution + some scaling see what happens.


TL;DR:

Regardless of AA/Scaling settings I use on WoW, my FPS in the same spot doesn't change, but my GPU load does.

ie, if I can get 45 FPS @ 200% Scaling of 1440p, I should be able to get 60 FPS @ 100% scaling of 1440p, but I don't.

 

[SolMiester]

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[bystander36]

You'd figure I'd be GPU bottlenecked not CPU bottlenecked in this situation? Haha.

I need to format the rig anyways, been getting some random errors from MSI AB and AIDA64.



I dropped it to 7 which is what was said here was the equivalent of Ultra pre 7.0. Hit 60 FPS no problem. GPU utilization didn't seem to go up either.

I'm wondering if its an out-dated mod not playing nice or as above, perhaps a mod is running wild on my CPU and because I'm using MSI AB's overall to display load not individual thread/core I'm not seeing it.

Will tinker tonight while I clear out bags (love the new transmog system, about damn time.)

As has been said many times prior, WoW, and most if not all MMO's suffer the same problem; they are CPU bound. Given no setting changes your issue, that's quite clear that nothing has changed. OC the CPU if you want more FPS, but 40 vs 45 FPS might not matter much to you.

 

[railven]

As has been said many times prior, WoW, and most if not all MMO's suffer the same problem; they are CPU bound. Given no setting changes your issue, that's quite clear that nothing has changed. OC the CPU if you want more FPS, but 40 vs 45 FPS might not matter much to you.

Monitoring CPU, no thread is peaking, think highest one got was like 70%.

I had no issues hitting 60 FPS @ 4K before the recent patch.

They did something...

 

[railven]

If I am CPU bottlenecked, would CPU load decrease as I increase load?

I find it odd that I can get

40-45 FPS @ 200% 1440P

And the same FPS @ 100% 1440p.


CPU load shows no difference.

 

[bystander36]

Monitoring CPU, no thread is peaking, think highest one got was like 70%.

I had no issues hitting 60 FPS @ 4K before the recent patch.

They did something...

It's really next to impossible to know the real story with the latest Intel CPU's. Between hyperthreading and the way the loads bounce between cores, it never shows 100%, even when you are maxing out a thread. If a core hits near 70%, that generally is the limit on low core count programs.

 

[railven]

It's really next to impossible to know the real story with the latest Intel CPU's. Between hyperthreading and the way the loads bounce between cores, it never shows 100%, even when you are maxing out a thread. If a core hits near 70%, that generally is the limit on low core count programs.

GF's system is Rig 2 in my sig.

Resolution: 2560x1080
GTX 780 Lightning +100 on core +200 on memory

Same spot, WoW settings set to 10 (Ultra)

FPS: 40-43
GPU Load 75%


Doing some research people with i7-6700k+1080s are reporting low FPS and low GPU usage.

GTX 1080 owners reporting as low as 40-50 FPS in Garrison (where I did my general testing) with 20-30% GPU usage.


Seems there is something holding the GPU usage from going up, at least in the garrisons area.

If it's a CPU bottleneck, it's something WoW had't experienced for a while. Prior to the 7.0 update, I was able to get 60 FPS @ 4K in my garrison.

Now I can't seem to break 50 FPS regardless where I go, and it's the same result @4K or @1440p. (Edit: if I look at the floor, I can get 100+ FPS haha)

 

[Mondozei]

This coupled with the blatant lack of 480 stock a full month after release is what made me buy a 1060 instead. I may have waited if I had not been looking at 30% less performance for similar money. But for me a 6gb 1060 for $255 off the egg after shipping beats $251 after tax for a 4gb Nitro off Amazon. Especially for WoW and overwatch.

WoW has always had a massive NV bias just like Hitman has always been biased towards AMD. You should not be surprised by that.

 

[dacostafilipe]

For those playing under macOS, remember to enable Metal!

No more 20-30 frame dips when in big raids for me. It runs with around 100 fps at 3440 x 1440.