Can a US president deem the NRA to be a terrorism organization?

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Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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They are not an advocate of manufacturers per se. They do advocate for the rights of gun owners, which includes being able to buy and sell them, so in that regard, they defend the rights of citizens to own and bear arms and sell and buy them.
The NRA does not sell guns, which was the question.

Who are the all donors? Members some, but are you asserting that there is no corporate donations?

It's widely reported they get tens of millions directly from the gun industry, they directly lobby lawmakers on behalf of industry interests, and they serve as the industry PR response firm during mass shootings.
Look who sponsors NRA TV. Gun makers.

Saying they are just a citizen member organization is just a front
 

Alpha One Seven

Golden Member
Sep 11, 2017
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Who are the all donors? Members some, but are you asserting that there is no corporate donations?

It's widely reported they get tens of millions directly from the gun industry, they directly lobby lawmakers on behalf of industry interests, and they serve as the industry PR response firm during mass shootings.
Look who sponsors NRA TV. Gun makers.

Saying they are just a citizen member organization is just a front
The NRA does NOT sell guns. I cannot make it any clearer for you.
 
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soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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Trump proves who’s really scared of the NRA with his late Sunday release of their gun bill.
 

Thebobo

Lifer
Jun 19, 2006
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Yeah, I deny it.

The NRA doesn't create gun enthusiasts; it's gun enthusiasts who create the NRA and like organizations. There are a number of other pro 2nd amendment orgs around. If there weren't an NRA, it would be one of the other ones you people would complain about.

I tend to think you all overstate the importance of the NRA.

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To the OP's question: Seems silly to consider the NRA a terrorist organization. It promotes a civil right, a part of the US Constitution and does so through lobbying and education. Lobbying is not a terrorist-type activity.

Fern

NRA also creates gun radicals. Its the gun industry that is more important to the NRA today. Again watch Wayne Lapierre's speech at CPA, what does it have to do about guns?

You agree with his violent rhetoric?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdwANgz1ZdU
 

Kathy Sharp

Junior Member
Mar 12, 2018
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What I know is that you've taken a foolish position and aren't man enough to admit it was nothing but hyperbole.
The thing is, I actually understand where you're coming from. I'm pretty sick of watching children get shot down myself

I'm pretty sick at Chicago and Philly each having more than one murder per day on average, nothing being done to fix it, and it is not even in the news.
 

Kathy Sharp

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Mar 12, 2018
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The NRA promotes gun sales of weapons design to kill lots of people fast, we cannot make it any clearer for you.

"Weapons designed to kill" also used every day in home/business/personal defense.

Without a gun, a large strong man has an advantage against a small woman. And if the man is also a criminal who doesn't mind breaking the law and obtaining an illegal weapon, while the woman is _not_ a criminal and _is not_ willing to break the law to obtain a self-defense weapon, then chance is even more seriously stacked against the weak.
 

Thebobo

Lifer
Jun 19, 2006
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"Weapons designed to kill" also used every day in home/business/personal defense.

Without a gun, a large strong man has an advantage against a small woman. And if the man is also a criminal who doesn't mind breaking the law and obtaining an illegal weapon, while the woman is _not_ a criminal and _is not_ willing to break the law to obtain a self-defense weapon, then chance is even more seriously stacked against the weak.

I'm talking about assault style weapons.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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So you want to declare Civil War. Did I hear you correctly? Step back and think what the NRA is, the pervasiveness of the ideology, the CORE issue of "guns stop guns", and that half the country is vulnerable to feeling attacked by such a notion of yours.

As for your question. I assume that's a task for the Department of Justice? So I'm assuming there's some legal requirements involved.

These people have brain damage, though. It is for their own good that their club is defined as a terrorist organisation, due to the poisonous brain rot that they have suffered from the messaging that is specifically targeted at their compromised minds.

I think it's fair to consider NRA members as kidnapping victims; they pretty much define themselves as victims every hour that they are awake, anyway, as the central defense of their membership in the NRA.

PLO, FARC, NRA...bunch of terrorist acronyms.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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I'm pretty sick at Chicago and Philly each having more than one murder per day on average, nothing being done to fix it, and it is not even in the news.

LMAO! Thanks, 27 year old female Kathy Sharp for tagging in!!!! This fucking place anymore.......
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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"Weapons designed to kill" also used every day in home/business/personal defense.

Without a gun, a large strong man has an advantage against a small woman. And if the man is also a criminal who doesn't mind breaking the law and obtaining an illegal weapon, while the woman is _not_ a criminal and _is not_ willing to break the law to obtain a self-defense weapon, then chance is even more seriously stacked against the weak.

Did Marion Hammer order you to open an account here?
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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The NRA promotes gun sales of weapons design to kill lots of people fast, we cannot make it any clearer for you.

The US govt is the largest arms dealer in the world. If you want to stop gun deaths call your congressman and dont vote for warmongers.
 

mdram

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Jan 2, 2014
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Who are the all donors? Members some, but are you asserting that there is no corporate donations?

It's widely reported they get tens of millions directly from the gun industry, they directly lobby lawmakers on behalf of industry interests, and they serve as the industry PR response firm during mass shootings.
Look who sponsors NRA TV. Gun makers.

Saying they are just a citizen member organization is just a front

can you name 1 group that does not get corporate donations?
 

Thebobo

Lifer
Jun 19, 2006
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The US govt is the largest arms dealer in the world. If you want to stop gun deaths call your congressman and dont vote for warmongers.

And what does that have to do with the NRA?

Nothing.

pivot.
 

Kathy Sharp

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Mar 12, 2018
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I'm talking about assault style weapons.

Interesting choice of phrase. Not "assault weapons", but "assault style weapons". Of course, I know why. Because actual assault weapons, meaning weapons which have automatic fire mode, are already heavily regulated: ordinary civilian can't buy one.

What is assault "style" weapons? Weapons which "look military"?
 
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shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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Interesting choice of phrase. Not "assault weapons", but "assault style weapons". Of course, I know why. Because actual assault weapons, meaning weapons which have automatic fire mode, are already heavily regulated: ordinary civilian can't buy one.

What is assault "style" weapons? Weapons which "look military"?

Yup. if its black and has a pistol grip its evil.

California goes by that definition.
 
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Thebobo

Lifer
Jun 19, 2006
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Interesting choice of phrase. Not "assault weapons", but "assault style weapons". Of course, I know why. Because actual assault weapons, meaning weapons which have automatic fire mode, are already heavily regulated: ordinary civilian can't buy one.

What is assault "style" weapons? Weapons which "look military"?

Oh for fucks sake are you really that dense? You don't find it interesting, You know Its not about the phrase, you know full well what I am referring to, so go play stupid on reddit.

уходи
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Do those two weigh the same? Call it being pedantic if you want, but there would be more than one difference...and that's actually pretty significant. Lighter weight means you theoretically enlarge access to that weapon: more people can use it effectively. It allows for less fatigue during your murder spree, and thus you can rack up a higher kill count compared to your counterpart that is tired out by lugging around that wooden stock.

....It also becomes theoretically more attractive, due to the very real gun fetishizing that is lionized by the NRA, and adopted by speculative "I am from the internet and am a wiz at Call of Duty" angry kids that realize that they can get their very same loadouts from their favorite games and look just as cool when murdering in real life as they do in their video games.

I'm not sure if such data exists (obviously the patriots at the NRA wouldn't allow such freedom-hating communist data-gathering to occur), but marketing works. If it didn't, it wouldn't exist.

I do wonder what kind of impact "Styling" of these weapons has on the attractiveness of choosing this route of revenge for the young and angry? Yes, a lot of this design is certainly functional...but then if it really was more of a functional thing with the different styling, then your image up there would have many more problems to address in its "point," right? Or it's just no biggie? If the only difference is "looks," then why bother designing and making the second one?
 
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Jul 9, 2009
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Who are the all donors? Members some, but are you asserting that there is no corporate donations?

It's widely reported they get tens of millions directly from the gun industry, they directly lobby lawmakers on behalf of industry interests, and they serve as the industry PR response firm during mass shootings.
Look who sponsors NRA TV. Gun makers.

Saying they are just a citizen member organization is just a front
Over the course of 10 years? 20 years? And that article also mentions sport retailers such as Cabela's, not only firearm manufacturers.
 
Jul 9, 2009
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Do those two weigh the same? Call it being pedantic if you want, but there would be more than one difference...and that's actually pretty significant. Lighter weight means you theoretically enlarge access to that weapon: more people can use it effectively. It allows for less fatigue during your murder spree, and thus you can rack up a higher kill count compared to your counterpart that is tired out by lugging around that wooden stock.

....It also becomes theoretically more attractive, due to the very real gun fetishizing that is lionized by the NRA, and adopted by speculative "I am from the internet and am a wiz at Call of Duty" angry kids that realize that they can get their very same loadouts from their favorite games and look just as cool when murdering in real life as they do in their video games.

I'm not sure if such data exists (obviously the patriots at the NRA wouldn't allow such freedom-hating communist data-gathering to occur), but marketing works. If it didn't, it wouldn't exist.

I do wonder what kind of impact "Styling" of these weapons has on the attractiveness of choosing this route of revenge for the young and angry? Yes, a lot of this design is certainly functional...but then if it really was more of a functional thing with the different styling, then your image up there would have many more problems to address in its "point," right? Or it's just no biggie? If the only difference is "looks," then why bother designing and making the second one?
Both of those can take a 50 round magazine. My semi-auto .22 has a tubular magazine and carries 18 rounds.
 
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