Can a US president deem the NRA to be a terrorism organization?

[imported_tajmahal]

NRA also creates gun radicals. Its the gun industry that is more important to the NRA today. Again watch Wayne Lapierre's speech at CPA, what does it have to do about guns?

You agree with his violent rhetoric?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdwANgz1ZdU

I agree with his rhetoric, there was nothing violent about it.

 

[mdram]

I do wonder what kind of impact "Styling" of these weapons has on the attractiveness of choosing this route of revenge for the young and angry? Yes, a lot of this design is certainly functional...but then if it really was more of a functional thing with the different styling, then your image up there would have many more problems to address in its "point," right? Or it's just no biggie? If the only difference is "looks," then why bother designing and making the second one?

why put big rims on a car? why put in a 800hp engine?
its called personalization.
things exist to change the looks, and people want to be different.

 

[zinfamous]

Both of those can take a 50 round magazine. My semi-auto .22 has a tubular magazine and carries 18 rounds.

OK, so yet another argument that they are the same, thus no reason for the second one....and completely not addressing my point? Are both equally modifiable? Is the barrel on the lower one, you know the type of thing that "makes liberals wet the bed" offer any kind of advantage to the other one? Seems to me that you are reducing heat and thus able to increase overall fire rate over time, among other things. If they are the same exact gun, then why does one have other features that, using your argument, would be completely unnecessary for manufacturing? A single advantage in one over the other beyond "looks" nullifies this tired NRA talking point.

 

[zinfamous]

why put big rims on a car? why put in a 800hp engine?
its called personalization.
things exist to change the looks, and people want to be different.

...are you comparing the function of an 800hp engine (performance) to the same as rims (pure style)? Are you saying that go faster stripes are the same as a larger engine?

OK.

Make the point that there is no advantage offered in the modularity of the second platform compared to the first. Convince me that that barrel offers not one performance advantage compared to the first rifle. ....or are they both actually the same exact gun, with their own mods, and thus you are actually making no fucking point whatsoever? i.e.: they are both "assault-style weapons" so the same law would apply to the same gun, and it has absolutely nothing to do with looks.

sucks for that meme, brah.

 

[mdram]

a stock 10/22 is @ 5lb

i would wager the modified is heavier

 

[Fern]

OK, so yet another argument that they are the same, thus no reason for the second one....and completely not addressing my point? Are both equally modifiable? Is the barrel on the lower one, you know the type of thing that "makes liberals wet the bed" offer any kind of advantage to the other one? Seems to me that you are reducing heat and thus able to increase overall fire rate over time, among other things. If they are the same exact gun, then why does one have other features that, using your argument, would be completely unnecessary for manufacturing? A single advantage in one over the other beyond "looks" nullifies this tired NRA talking point.

Um, no. Seems you are referring to a barrel shroud. It's there to prevent the operator from possibly/accidentally burning him/herself should the barrel get hot. The other gun has an extended (lower) stock for this purpose.

The barrel shroud does not reduce heat. Air flow over and around the barrel would be improved by removing the shroud.

Fern

 

[imported_tajmahal]

OK, so yet another argument that they are the same, thus no reason for the second one....and completely not addressing my point? Are both equally modifiable? Is the barrel on the lower one, you know the type of thing that "makes liberals wet the bed" offer any kind of advantage to the other one? Seems to me that you are reducing heat and thus able to increase overall fire rate over time, among other things. If they are the same exact gun, then why does one have other features that, using your argument, would be completely unnecessary for manufacturing? A single advantage in one over the other beyond "looks" nullifies this tired NRA talking point.

My own answer is different from other folks. I don't have any barrel shrouded picatinny rail rifles. It's just not my thing. I do have extended magazines which are very fun and handy to use. There's a huge use for adjustable stocks, it lets kids, wives, husbands share a rifle and fire it comfortably. Most of the cosmetic features on firearms have uses that are not that obvious to non-shooters.

 

[Thebobo]

lol gun experts.

 

[Kathy Sharp]

adopted by speculative "I am from the internet and am a wiz at Call of Duty" angry kids that realize that they can get their very same loadouts from their favorite games and look just as cool when murdering in real life as they do in their video games.

The "video games make children violent" used to be the parlance of puritanical nutjobs. Interestingly how these days lefties took upon that mantle.

Meanwhile, increasingly realistic videogames are with us for about 20 years, and for same 20 years US experiences a steady _decline_ in violent crime - reduction by about a third.

It's almost as if teenagers found an outlet where they can safely discharge their energy.

 

[Thebobo]

I agree with his rhetoric, there was nothing violent about it.

Of course you do and don't, Your a zealot.

 

[Thebobo]

The "video games make children violent" used to be the parlance of puritanical nutjobs. Interestingly how these days lefties took upon that mantle.

Meanwhile, increasingly realistic videogames are with us for about 20 years, and for same 20 years US experiences a steady _decline_ in violent crime - reduction by about a third.

It's almost as if teenagers found an outlet where they can safely discharge their energy.

Well you just gave yourself away SlowSpyder. Wondered where you've been.

And please shut up with lefties crap

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Of course you do and don't, Your a zealot.

You know it's really , really important that you stop writing and speaking your mind in any public forum. It's also really , really important you stop voting. Trust me, lives will be saved if you just reasonably stop doing what you are doing. Or you could be an unreasonable zealot and keep it up. I'm sure you'll do the RIGHT thing. Thank you.

 

[Thebobo]

You know it's really , really important that you stop writing and speaking your mind in any public forum. It's also really , really important you stop voting. Trust me, lives will be saved if you just reasonably stop doing what you are doing. Or you could be an unreasonable zealot and keep it up. I'm sure you'll do the RIGHT thing. Thank you.

You know I was thinking the same thing about you. As a member of the dinosaur party you know its doomed to failure as it becomes more and more radical.

Dino on dude, dino on.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You know I was thinking the same thing about you. As a member of the dinosaur party you know its doomed to failure as it becomes more and more radical.

Dino on dude, dino on.

Birds are the new dinos, i'm flying!

 

[soundforbjt]

Birds are the new dinos, i'm flying!

And like a bird you crap randomly everywhere.

 

[Bitek]

Over the course of 10 years? 20 years? And that article also mentions sport retailers such as Cabela's, not only firearm manufacturers.

I would agree Cabela's and other retailers belong in there too. Really anyone from gun owners, to retailers, to accessory makers to weapon manufacturers.

Anyone interested in promoting and sustaining the firearm industry.

I'm not going to claim it's all evil, it's an interest group, but let's not be naive that there is a strong sales and profit motive here. It's not just teaching hunter safety courses and having philosophical debates over constitutional law. That's the myth they try and sustain, but it's not an accurate representation anymore.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Of course you do and don't, Your a zealot.

I'm curious what violence you perceived this guy calling for. I felt like he used the entire speech to condemn violence. Maybe we watched different speeches? Condemning violence cannot correctly be labeled as violent.

 

[justoh]

Can the president "deem" groups of people terrorists? If so, then the answer is yes. If not, then no. You're welcome, OP.

 

[zinfamous]

Well you just gave yourself away SlowSpyder. Wondered where you've been.

And please shut up with lefties crap

lol, good call. Was wondering where that little worm scrambled off to.

anyway, Slow: I wasn't making the argument that video games are responsible for violence (though I am well aware that my post would be interpreted as such--I get it). I was simply saying that the increasing push towards realism in real-life weapons platforms, kept easily accessible and cheap enough for hormone driven, raging teenagers, makes for a bad combo.

Obviously the problem is our murder-tool fetish. yes, everyone has access to the same violent video games, but only the US has this kind of violent murder problem, where "nothing can be done!" So, I'm not blaming the games. I'm blaming the NRA and their abject murder fetish, and the murder tools that they and their cult members fellate every night.

 

[Jaskalas]

These people have brain damage, though. It is for their own good that their club is defined as a terrorist organisation, due to the poisonous brain rot that they have suffered from the messaging that is specifically targeted at their compromised minds.

Your commentary is solid affirmation that you want to drop civil discourse and pursue the use of force.
Immorality and criminality aside, how do you see a positive outcome with that?

You imagine people will sit idly by as a popular political organization is assaulted? I fear otherwise.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

These people have brain damage, though. It is for their own good that their club is defined as a terrorist organisation, due to the poisonous brain rot that they have suffered from the messaging that is specifically targeted at their compromised minds.

So maybe they need their brains....washed? I've got an idea that I know you can support: we can kidnap, imprison, and force these people to be medicated for their own good. FOR THEIR OWN GOOD. I have a better idea: you should not ever be placed in charge of determining what is for someone's own good ever. Ever. Ever. You would have fucking hated our founding fathers.

 

[justoh]

why put big rims on a car? why put in a 800hp engine?
its called personalization.
things exist to change the looks, and people want to be different.

Wind resistance? You need that much to go beyond a certain speed. Personalization?

 

[OutHouse]

The nation of islam and the bat shit crazy leader of them should be classified a terrorist group.

 

[IJTSSG]

lol gun experts.

lol expert at nothing.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

No and Yes.

They are an advocacy group for gun owners and manufacturers.

They are heavily funded by gun manufacturers, and lobby in the same way PhRMA does for the drug industry.

A difference being that there is no Constitutional amendment to pharmaceuticals. As destructive as PhRMA can be (eg. How big pharma's money – and its politicians – feed the US opioid crisis, eg Pharma Lobby Group Sues to Bar California's Drug Price Law) they are not attacking opioid victims on Twitter, or calling for overthrow of the government, free media or other institutions to sell more drugs.

By advocating for gun owners, they do try to keep gun manufacturers from being shut down so the owners have the ability to fulfill their right to own and bear arms.