Can AMD "rescue" the Bulldozer?

[coolpurplefan]

I know it's difficult to tell whether the story from the former AMD employee is correct, but let's say if it was true that some work could have been done by hand instead of by machine. So, could they go back and re-do some of the work by hand or would it be a waste of time? By the time they fix Bulldozer, would it be too late or should they fix this to avert a complete disaster?

 

[ThatsABigOne]

Stop with posts such as these. They have been discussed before.

 

[Maximilian]

 

[skipsneeky2]

I highly doubt amd dumped so much money into a platform just to abandon it.

They will do what they did with the original phenom and make a much more efficient phenom 2.

Me myself i would love seeing some 32nm phenom 2 quad cores and 6 cores heck throw in a 8 core for the heavy users.

Intel needs competition we all do.

 

[Arkaign]

If AMD had their own fabs to do rapid design tweaks and re-spins, I say yes, it should theoretically be possible to fix BD's major faults. IMO the shared module design is the biggest drawback, so the best real fix would be a pretty dramatic change. Duplicate the missing portions on the 'cores' so that each core is complete in and of itself as far as FPU/INT.

Without their own fabs, this work will take too long to accomplish, and AMD's quickest path to reasonable success really lies in a die-shrunk 8C Phenom III with further IPC tweaks.

I think neither of these is likely, and AMD looks poised to make a steady retreat from the desktop space.

 

[JimKiler]

and now the Athlon 2 and Phenom 2 line is no longer being made by AMD, so they are only good for mobile and GPU's.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-cpu-apu-athlon-phenom-Llano-Bulldozer,14173.html

 

[piesquared]

According to the owner of hardware canucks:

I just heard back in a very short email from a friend of mine who works at one of the top 15 component retailers in the States. Naturally, I can't give his name or company since giving this info would be grounds for dismissal.

Remember, this is only anecdotal evidence but I've been hearing the same from quite a few of my contacts:

Sales so far:

FX-8150: 89
FX-8120: 97 (higher due to one client buying 20 units)
FX-6100: 22
FX-4100: 18

And for reference purposes, according to him in that same period of time the 2600K has sold 265 units, the 2500K @ 312 units and since its release the 3930K has moved some 74 units.

To make matters even worse, according to him there hasn't seem to be much (if any) new stock of the two FX-8000 series processors coming through the supply channel for the last three weeks or so. We haven't seen its effect due to the fact that the processors are selling so slowly. One distributor even sent out a discontinuation notice for the FX-8150 last Wednesday since they have no ETA on resupply. So while it isn't discontinued, any retailer picking up on this particular distributor's feeds will list it as such.

On the flip side of the coin, this retailer will also be selling Interlagos-based CPUs and demand for the Opteron 6276 in particular is through the roof.

So this should tell us two things: Bulldozer's mass market SKUs are selling albeit quite slowly (supposedly ~75% of the unit sales happened in the first two weeks of availability) but the server / HPC SKUs could set some sales records.

So intel's AMD killer is selling at a measly 3:1 ratio. There's nothing there to be impressed about for intel considering every review on the net has proclaimed AMD's death due to Bulldozer's 'performance'. Gotta love the propaganda, keep up the good work it seems to be working in AMD's favor!

And this

Guys I work part time for Tigerdirect/CompUSA in a store (for thr great discounts and deals from Intel and AMD) I can tell you that we get plenty of them, but a lot of people in the small server industry buy them for VMware ESX servers as they perform pretty well for that application, and also the occasional Fanboy or 2.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...d-is-also-successfully-flying-off-the-shelves.....


Also just as a reminder, intel's virtualization is broken in sb.

 

[piesquared]

and now the Athlon 2 and Phenom 2 line is no longer being made by AMD, so they are only good for mobile and GPU's.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-cpu-apu-athlon-phenom-Llano-Bulldozer,14173.html

Bullocks. At least that was the response when AMD claimed production would be 100% 32nm in 1 year last spring...

 

[fourdegrees11]

and now the Athlon 2 and Phenom 2 line is no longer being made by AMD, so they are only good for mobile and GPU's.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-cpu-apu-athlon-phenom-Llano-Bulldozer,14173.html

Glad I got my 1090t a few weeks ago while they were still cheap and available! Sold out on newegg and $200 on amazon. Supply is going to dry up real quick for those.

 

[peonyu]

Bulldozer is what it is now. The only changes you can expect from it is in future revisions but thats likely a year off atleast, add in new chipsets to and that could boost performance.

Bulldozer to me looks like the Pentium 4 at release, except instead of the P4 going up against the Athlon XP and holding its own due to its insane clock speeds vs much lower clocked AXP's...Bulldozer is going up against equally clocked Athlon XPs in the form of Core I5/I7s [in other words it is royally screwed and getting spanked left and right].

 

[skipsneeky2]

Glad I got my 1090t a few weeks ago while they were still cheap and available! Sold out on newegg and $200 on amazon. Supply is going to dry up real quick for those.

Last week i went to buy parts from frys for my new build

The 1090t was completely sold out 3 1100ts got put on hold for customers i got the very last 1100t in the store and it was a returned item that was tested talk about a dry spell.

But what was more funny was that the entire intel supply was wiped clean besides a dusty $299 i7 950 sitting in a case.

Swear i was in a episode of the twilight zone in the episode"where art tho intel?"

 

[Vesku]

Bought a 1090T but if I was looking at a server I'd consider the 16 core Interlagos. Not surprised to hear AMD is focusing on where Bulldozer can actually compete. I'm guessing with Trinity they will be trying to dual market in mobile and HPC.

 

[exar333]

According to the owner of hardware canucks:



So intel's AMD killer is selling at a measly 3:1 ratio. There's nothing there to be impressed about for intel considering every review on the net has proclaimed AMD's death due to Bulldozer's 'performance'. Gotta love the propaganda, keep up the good work it seems to be working in AMD's favor!

And this



http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...d-is-also-successfully-flying-off-the-shelves.....


Also just as a reminder, I am always here beating AMD's drum and keeping the spin-machine going

Fixed that for you...

 

[SickBeast]

The problem with the bulldozer is that the frame, while structurally sound, houses an unstable and weak motor which was engineered by former employees that have now been fired.

Piledriver will come along and pound that beast deep into the ground. It is a dead animal. A dead animal walking.

As an aside, they don't know how many horsepower it has. They originally said it had 2,000hp but then discovered it could not serve duty as a light tow truck.

/satire
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:whiste:

 

[Soulkeeper]

Bulldozer is what it is now. The only changes you can expect from it is in future revisions but thats likely a year off atleast, add in new chipsets to and that could boost performance.

Bulldozer to me looks like the Pentium 4 at release, except instead of the P4 going up against the Athlon XP and holding its own due to its insane clock speeds vs much lower clocked AXP's...Bulldozer is going up against equally clocked Athlon XPs in the form of Core I5/I7s [in other words it is royally screwed and getting spanked left and right].

I agree, although i'd substitute "Pentium 4" for "Prescott"

ie:
phenom1 -> willamette
phenom 2/thuban -> northwood a/b
bulldozer -> prescott

It just "feels" like that kinda misstep for some reason ...

 

[sandorski]

Yes. Will that ever mean being dominant? Probably not, but it will likely be very competitive. AMD can do fine without the enthusiast Market, in fact they could do better than ever. That said, I suspect they'll come back with something of interest for enthusiasts in a few years.

 

[skipsneeky2]

The problem with the bulldozer is that the frame, while structurally sound, houses an unstable and weak motor which was engineered by former employees that have now been fired.

Piledriver will come along and pound that beast deep into the ground. It is a dead animal. A dead animal walking.

As an aside, they don't know how many horsepower it has. They originally said it had 2,000hp but then discovered it could not serve duty as a light tow truck.

/satire
/thread
:whiste:

Amd is like the mopar 383 its a fast motor with fast rpms and they can build it up all they want but intel has a bigger 440 much better torque and it just pwns any in build stock or supercharged.

So how about amd skips the idea of a 8 core intel's focus is barely shifting to 6 core and amds already marketing a 8 core.

Sure they don't use hyperthreading but a amd quad on a piledriver beating a 2500k would be something i would love to see but i doubt the ipc will barely touch nehalems even.

 

[SickBeast]

No dude, don't encourage me. :biggrin:

You know what, I agree with your post.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[skipsneeky2]

No dude, don't encourage me. :biggrin:

You know what, I agree with your post.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

The amd 8150 reminds me of the detuned late 1970s 318 by the end of the decade a slant 6 from the 60s had the same respectable hp.

8150=late 1970s 318
2500k=1968 slant 6

Less cores and still the preferred processor of choice

 

[nemesismk2]

your post was very funny

 

[SickBeast]

The amd 8150 reminds me of the detuned late 1970s 318 by the end of the decade a slant 6 from the 60s had the same respectable hp.

8150=late 1970s 318
2500k=1968 slant 6

Less cores and still the preferred processor of choice

Honda still makes the best motors to pwn them all I AM YOUR FATHER.

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[Edrick]

Yes. Will that ever mean being dominant? Probably not, but it will likely be very competitive. AMD can do fine without the enthusiast Market, in fact they could do better than ever. That said, I suspect they'll come back with something of interest for enthusiasts in a few years.

They spent how many years and how much money on BD? How many people lost their jobs over it? What in the world makes you think that AMD will come up with something good in a few more years?

I will make a bold perdiction. AMD will have a version of BD that will beat SB. It will just be a few years from now when we are all sitting on Haswell.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Honda still makes the best motors to pwn them all I AM YOUR FATHER.

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As economical honda makes some good motors but for jap performance was in the nissan 3.0 of the 1980s...had a 1988 nissan maxima i got for $800 and it was quite the fast grocery getter outrunning my 74 dart sport 318 at the line.

Favorite was my 82 datsun 280z 2 seater but the unpredictable grocery getter with its voice system dubbed "b*tching betty" took the cake and i will be on the look out for a suitable grocery getter again to pwn .

 

[SickBeast]

Nobody is taking this thread seriously.

Imma listen to some Pink Floyd.

We don't need no mod-er-a-tion...

:whiste:

 

[skipsneeky2]

This post so far wins my heart over but me being optimistic its a bit far fetched.