Can an LCD suffer burn-in?

[aakerman]

I'm browsing some pictures I have just taken today with my camera.

And I notice - there is a black, uniform, thin bar that stretches all across my Dell 2005FPW LCD monitor, at the very top of the screen. It's not solid black, but the colours there are noticeable darker than the rest of the screen. The same bar is also at the bottom of the screen. It's like if you took a piece of clear tape, but with a shade of black in it, and taped it across the bottom and top of the screen.

It's not my pictures, because it's there also with a black background I just made in paint.

The reason I think of burn-in, is because the top black bar is exactly where the title bar of my maximized windows usually are, and the bottom black bar is exactly where the windows start bar always is. I'm really at a loss, any input would be nice.

I have tried to emulate the problem here:
ladybird picture

 

[niranjan162]

Burn in is caused by the black bars, cuz thats where there is no color and the guns arent being worked. Thats y they sometimes they put gray bars instead of black ones. I dont think that would be caused by the start menu bar and such.

 

[Mrvile]

LCDs aren't supposed to, but I guess yours might have for the reason that niranjan explained.

Burn-in is usually a plasma display problem.

 

[coomar]

they can but its tempory not permanent, i usually change wallpapers after a month

for plasma its permanent but hey the display only lasts a few years anyway

 

[phisrow]

I have no idea why LCDs would suffer burn-in or anything analogous to it, as they have no phosphors to degrade(except in the backlights, which would cause uniform brightness problems, and don't usually seem to be an issue), so offhand I would be inclined to say "Nonsense, that only happens to CRTs and Plasmas."

And yet, in looking at a bunch of the LCD screens at the public terminals around school, I've seen strange things, that look rather like burn-in, at some machines when I move icons that have been displayed for weeks or months without change. I really don't know why it would happen; but it sure seems to.

 

[coomar]

its not that big of a deal because its easy to correct, just change the wallpaper and it will disappear after a little while

 

[valkator]

Originally posted by: coomar
i usually change wallpapers after a month

wow now i think that is a little obsessive i think.

 

[WiZZLa]

What you're experiencing is "image persistence."

http://www.viewsonic.com/support/qa.cfm?topic=lcd&question=09 and http://www.dslwebserver.com/main/fr_index.html?/main/lcd-screen-burn.html

 

[imported_goku]

sweet thread, trying it out on my LCDS which apparently are suffering the same thing (hopes it works!)

 

[Bozo Galora]

Originally posted by: WiZZLa
What you're experiencing is "image persistence."

http://www.viewsonic.com/support/qa.cfm?topic=lcd&question=09 and http://www.dslwebserver.com/main/fr_index.html?/main/lcd-screen-burn.html

Wow, good post Wizzla
Never heard of that, interesting

 

[aakerman]

thanks wizzla, that's exactly what I have... funny he had a Dell monitor too >

 

[oznerol]

It's strange that this post came up, as I just noticed this on my 2005fpw as well.

I keep my AIM window docked on the side of the monitor, and my PC is on 24/7. Yesterday, when I finally restarted the thing, I noticed a very slight discoloration on the right side where the AIM menu is right before it loaded. I minimized it, and lo and behold it was a "burn in."

I use power saving mode - after 10 minutes the monitor goes off entirely, no screen saver or anything. The strange thing is, it doesn't affect anything else.

For example, if I played a widescreen movie, it's not discolored at all. It's only when I use my plain gray desktop that it is visible. I imagine that it is easily fixed by simply undocking my AIM window for a while.

 

[aakerman]

Yes grey seems to make it stand out the most. But for me I just can't undock an aim window.. it's my start & title bar =((( Guess I'll try the trick with the white screensaver.

Or maybe I should try to make the problem stay, so I could return it to dell and get a new one, one that might not have backlight bleeding either !

 

[ChuckHsiao]

For LCDs the image is just more geared to one direction when it's there for a while. Kinda like a habit I guess. However, like habits, it can be "unlearned"; just leave it off for a while, or better yet, put a complementary image (i.e. reverse colors) on the screen for a while.

Unlike CRTs, this effect is not permanent, and is just a side-effect of you using the same screen for a really long time.

 

[aakerman]

Originally posted by: ChuckHsiao


Unlike CRTs, this effect is not permanent, and is just a side-effect of you using the same screen for a really long time.

I've only had this monitor for a month and a half..

Do any of you know if Photoshop has a function to find complementary colours?

 

[chippychappypappy]

just take a screenshot of the offending set up (put youe IM box, icons etc back to their burn in spots) "print screen" - new doc in photo shop, paste the screenshot in, go to > Image > Adjustments > Invert

Use the "My Pictures" screensaver to display this inverted image on your lcd.

I also have a 2005fp dell lcd that wants to do this if an image is up for a couple weeks, annoying, but this fixes it up really quick (a couple days) white screen will work too, but slower I think. You can set the ss to rotate a white screen with the inverted screenshot if it wets your winkhole.

Hope it helps, otherwise the 2005 is big old thumbs up.

 

[chippychappypappy]

sorry, just realized how stinking old this thread was, apologies to the mods.

 

[bob4432]

speaking of burn in on a plasma, it happens fast. i did some video work for a company that was using a plasma in their waiting room. before they contracted with me to make a video, they just used the dvd player as a music player going through the plasma speakers, and the f*cking sony logo from the dvd player got burned into the plasma (in a couple different spots) in less than 1mos. so in 1mos they f*cked up a $4000 plasma, idiots.

just a funny/sad story

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: bob4432
speaking of burn in on a plasma, it happens fast. i did some video work for a company that was using a plasma in their waiting room. before they contracted with me to make a video, they just used the dvd player as a music player going through the plasma speakers, and the f*cking sony logo from the dvd player got burned into the plasma (in a couple different spots) in less than 1mos. so in 1mos they f*cked up a $4000 plasma, idiots.

just a funny/sad story

I'd never get a plasma display, the burn in problem is atrocious. My bank has one that gives information and news while you're waiting in line. There's a stock ticker burned into the bottom of the display, and the real ticker isn't on there for that long. Plasmas are a huge waste of money.

 

[akugami]

Video surveillance system. The monitor normally views 16 cameras in a 4x4 sectioned area. Each camera screen can be expanded to fill the monitor. Since the bars that border the camera screens are static all the time, burn in on the LCD.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: akugami
Video surveillance system. The monitor normally views 16 cameras in a 4x4 sectioned area. Each camera screen can be expanded to fill the monitor. Since the bars that border the camera screens are static all the time, burn in on the LCD.

but they are not as bad as the crt based monitors. i have a pelco crt sitting next to my monitor for my surveillance system and it was used in a bank 24/7 operation. there are some slight amounts of burn in, but not too bad. if it were a plasma, it would have been destroyed

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: niranjan162
Burn in is caused by the black bars, cuz thats where there is no color and the guns arent being worked. Thats y they sometimes they put gray bars instead of black ones. I dont think that would be caused by the start menu bar and such.

Just to clarify, there is no 'gun' in LCDs. That is not to say that LCDs don't suffer from displaying constant images. (Not nearly as bad as plasma/CRTs though)

 

[Nocturnal]

I've seen burn in on LCDs first hand so yes, it's quite possible.

 

[bob4432]

i would have to say that today's crt monitors do an excellent job at not suffering from burn in like the older ones. i am amazed at how bad plasmas are, truely amazed

 

[vapore0n]

from what ive read, the cristals get stuck and you need to exersise them. Leave the LCD off for a day or so, or run a DVD movie on it. Something to that effect.
It is still a lot more difficult to cause this type of burn in an LCD, rather than a plasma. Plasma TVs have a break-in time too.