Can China defeat the USA in war? Do you fear the Chinese?

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MongGrel

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China makes almost everything for the US. Even uniforms are being made in china for our soldiers.

So A war with china means, naked soldiers wearing suspenders and barrels and throwing rocks at the chinese since we would run out of things once china stops supplying the US




It's funny that people like piasabird think that Truman, the only guy in history to employ nuclear weapons in warfare was too chicken to...well... employ nuclear weapons in warfare.
 
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Nograts

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It would take all of the countries in the world to unite and attack together to defeat the United States, and even then they would probably fail.
 

Jhhnn

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The evidence for for what other have already responded to you about this is plain. You're an idiot. And if you think the Chinese government is this wonderful benevolent entity, you're below idiot status. They'd stomp all over their people in a heartbeat if the need arose. The general population is still not as free as we are here in the US.

Heh. Gotta have that boogeyman action, huh?

I didn't say the Chinese govt is wonderful, I said it's the best govt they've had in a couple of hundred years. That's true by any metric you'd care to use, other than well propagandized hysteria.
 
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Jaskalas

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It would take all of the countries in the world to unite and attack together to defeat the United States, and even then they would probably fail.
Once our laser and rail weapons systems are fully operational only submarines stand a chance in hell.

Everything else can be conventionally obliterated at low cost.
 

blastingcap

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This is actually what people were saying about the British entry into World War One. They were the premier economic superpower at that time, very little to gain and literally everything to lose.

Tell me more about the nuclear arsenals in World War I.
 

Pocatello

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Considered how much the Chinese have infiltrated in this country, the US cannot win a war against China. The Chinese are in every college in the US, they know every secret, every weapon development programs. The Chinese aren't going to fight the US in conventional war, the type of war which suits US.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Considered how much the Chinese have infiltrated in this country, the US cannot win a war against China. The Chinese are in every college in the US, they know every secret, every weapon development programs. The Chinese aren't going to fight the US in conventional war, the type of war which suits US.

you mean the people who are Americans now?

 

blastingcap

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you mean the people who are Americans now?

He's crazy, true, but he's right about one thing: China won't fight a conventional war directly. They are far more likely to continue espionage, cyber-warfare (breaking into .gov/.mil), and such. Just like Russia.

Btw, those who think Chinese are "infiltrating," get real; virtually all immigrants are simply trying for a better life. The USA has benefited greatly from draining the best brains from other countries, at the expense of those countries. Look at Silicon Valley for instance--it's chock full of 1st or 2nd generation immigrants from all over the world. The more top-flight engineers you raid from your competitors, the weaker they become.
 

blastingcap

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Holy shit. Maybe if you used your brain a bit more you might be able to understand what other people say.

Holy shit maybe you should heed your own advice, hypocrite. The stakes are a lot higher with nuclear arsenals that can irradiate the world many times over. To equate the USA in 2015+ with Britain circa 1914 is a false equivalence, and there are many differences other than just nukes. The non-Britain-circa-1914 world is a lot different than the non-USA-in-2015+ world, too.

Let me put it this way: when was the last time 2+ members of the nuclear club got involved in a full-scale shooting war? If even Pakistan and India don't want to get into a conventional war that may spiral out of control, what makes you think China and the USA want to tussle? Exactly. The mere threat of Armageddon is thankfully enough to deter nuclear powers from attacking each other via conventional armies. Small skirmishes do still happen, but these days the nuclear powers mostly restrict aggression to espionage, cyberattacks, and economic competition. Sometimes they fund proxy groups, too, but even then they often try to present deniability, like Russia claiming that it didn't send soldiers to Ukraine.
 
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mizzou

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what are the terms of war? complete invasion?

Technicaly the UsA might be easier to invade based on infrastrucure..
but good luck pacofying the populous that has had a rock hard boner for some type of red dawn scenario.

On a realistic side, we could probably destroy 80% of Chinase meaningful modern hubs without stepping foot on chinese soil. They, unless thinga have vhamged drastically, have a hard oiter shell and thin watery interior. crack the egg and the whole thing falls apart
 

rommelrommel

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what are the terms of war? complete invasion?

Technicaly the UsA might be easier to invade based on infrastrucure..
but good luck pacofying the populous that has had a rock hard boner for some type of red dawn scenario.

On a realistic side, we could probably destroy 80% of Chinase meaningful modern hubs without stepping foot on chinese soil. They, unless thinga have vhamged drastically, have a hard oiter shell and thin watery interior. crack the egg and the whole thing falls apart

Kind of hard to invade across two massive oceans against a larger and more capable navy than the rest of the world combined, plus a probably superior Air Force than the rest of the world combined (oh, and the rest of the world has only a couple of carriers which would be primary targets obviously) and then yeah, a country full of military vets, armed to the teeth, who are pretty patriotic I do believe.
 

MongGrel

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Considered how much the Chinese have infiltrated in this country, the US cannot win a war against China. The Chinese are in every college in the US, they know every secret, every weapon development programs. The Chinese aren't going to fight the US in conventional war, the type of war which suits US.

I wasn't aware colleges were actively building weapons.

I am aware Honeywell, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, etc are and have colleges working in conjunction with them.

I used to work with many MIT graduates in development, but they weren't Chinese and anyone dealing with many things had to be vetted and have a pretty high end clearance.
 
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Brian Stirling

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It would take all of the countries in the world to unite and attack together to defeat the United States, and even then they would probably fail.


We stretched our capabilities in a two war strategy involving two third world peoples in Afghanistan and Iraq. The shear lack of understanding of the limits of power will wind up killing all of us.


Brian
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Holy shit maybe you should heed your own advice, hypocrite. The stakes are a lot higher with nuclear arsenals that can irradiate the world many times over. To equate the USA in 2015+ with Britain circa 1914 is a false equivalence, and there are many differences other than just nukes. The non-Britain-circa-1914 world is a lot different than the non-USA-in-2015+ world, too.

Let me put it this way: when was the last time 2+ members of the nuclear club got involved in a full-scale shooting war? If even Pakistan and India don't want to get into a conventional war that may spiral out of control, what makes you think China and the USA want to tussle? Exactly. The mere threat of Armageddon is thankfully enough to deter nuclear powers from attacking each other via conventional armies. Small skirmishes do still happen, but these days the nuclear powers mostly restrict aggression to espionage, cyberattacks, and economic competition. Sometimes they fund proxy groups, too, but even then they often try to present deniability, like Russia claiming that it didn't send soldiers to Ukraine.
I think it's really entertaining watching you try to shoot me down but you're missing by so much.

It really is. Please, keep going.
 

SlickSnake

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We stretched our capabilities in a two war strategy involving two third world peoples in Afghanistan and Iraq. The shear lack of understanding of the limits of power will wind up killing all of us.


Brian

I agree the US was militarily hamstrung in those limited engagements but that was partly due to not having enough financial and logistical support, and more importantly, it was mostly due to a fractured political resolve about what to do about the situation. Which was just like in Vietnam and many other wars. Because in a freer political climate, warfare is always going to be hugely divisive, especially the longer it drags on.
 
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bshole

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We stretched our capabilities in a two war strategy involving two third world peoples in Afghanistan and Iraq. The shear lack of understanding of the limits of power will wind up killing all of us.


Brian

Sooooooo fucking true!
 

finglobes

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US internet "security" is a joke (no doubt a reason China focuses on it). US has moved a lot of economy to an insecure foundation. I have no doubt stock market is good target. US vulnerability to EMP type strikes (there are several) is well known but not much is done. No no we have to focus on warming hysteria communists love so much. China military is itching for fight with US to "avenge" indignities (from countries in Europe) China suffered over last century+. China military doesn't like political leaders - who might be glad to see military and all those excess unmarried males with something to do. US has some capabilities but with Obama playing for the other side you cant discount his constant mayhem forced on US, and his constant help and symoathy for enemies. I have no doubt China and others see Obama as a great window they wont let close without some action.
 

blastingcap

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I think it's really entertaining watching you try to shoot me down but you're missing by so much.

It really is. Please, keep going.

Anyone who reads what you wrote knows how laughable it is, so if you had any sense, you'd pipe down. But you probably won't, because you're a legend in your own mind.
 
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Indus

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It would be a repeat of Vietnam and maybe Iraq!

We have ethics and morals. The Vietnamese just wanted to win. They didn't want casualties so they shot their own troops who were injured.

Sure we can bomb China from the sky with Air Superiority but when it comes to Naval and Ground game.. then it's game over. The Chinese submarines are very quiet, quieter and undetectable to our American sonar. The ground troops are well.. if you have another win hearts and minds.. we cannot win a guerrila war.

That said I don't expect China to overrun us either.. it'll be a stalemate.. the Chinese can't invade us and win competely. We can't invade them and win completely. It'll be like Iraq and Vietnam.. we may do a lot of bombings but we'll eventually withdraw.
 

LegendKiller

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We stretched our capabilities in a two war strategy involving two third world peoples in Afghanistan and Iraq. The shear lack of understanding of the limits of power will wind up killing all of us.


Brian

We weren't fighting a nation-state in those two wars. The nation states that we did fight we steamrolled. The remainder were low-intensity conflict paramilitaries that didn't have a centralized command/economy to target.

That's not what China is.
 

LegendKiller

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It would be a repeat of Vietnam and maybe Iraq!

We have ethics and morals. The Vietnamese just wanted to win. They didn't want casualties so they shot their own troops who were injured.

Sure we can bomb China from the sky with Air Superiority but when it comes to Naval and Ground game.. then it's game over. The Chinese submarines are very quiet, quieter and undetectable to our American sonar. The ground troops are well.. if you have another win hearts and minds.. we cannot win a guerrila war.

That said I don't expect China to overrun us either.. it'll be a stalemate.. the Chinese can't invade us and win competely. We can't invade them and win completely. It'll be like Iraq and Vietnam.. we may do a lot of bombings but we'll eventually withdraw.

You think the Vietnam war was lost on ethics and morals? ROFL. It was lost on politics. We didn't want a total war, period. Had we had a total war Vietnam would have been a democratic republic for the last 4 decades.

Naval and ground game? Are you serious? Chinese D/E submarines may be quit but they are not impossible to detect. The US has been playing submarine games for 70 years and have been #1 at them the entire time, do you think China can even get anywhere close? We have more subs, we have better subs, and we have better crews and tactics.

Ground war? Where the fuck are we going to ground war? Do you really think we'd invade China? They can't invade us. They are stuck in their country, bottled up. The ground "war" would be us immolating them.

That being said, China would never go to war with us. They may piss and moan but ultimately going to war is far too costly these days, economically.
 

olds

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China would kick our ass in a New York second. We don't fight wars any more. We play political/PC games.

Anyone remember Dresden or Nagasaki? Try that now days.
 
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