Can God create a stone SO heavy not even he can lift it?

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Auric

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Is the universe the ejaculate or the shit of the gods, that is the query.

2 gods, 1 cup?
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: funkymatt
Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot he, himself could not eat it?

Jesus doesn't eat burritos fool.


Jesus was consuming burritos before mankind was conceived. He farted galaxies and finally shit the universe. Science can't disprove it.

Wrong.

Everyone knows Jesus munches on chimichangas.
 

maxster

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: funkymatt
Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot he, himself could not eat it?

Jesus doesn't eat burritos fool.

Are you sure about this? I recall seeing this guy Jesus at the local Taco Bell.
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: Imaginer
IDDQD?

A true god has no limits. Therefore what the OP's title states is a contradiction. We only place such limits because we ourselves do not fully grasp the concepts of being omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, benevolent, impassible, etc.

Yet there's a guy with a pointy hat at the head of a monolithic international organization who claims to speak to him... you know the thing so outside of human experience that words cannot adequately describe it? Yeah, he talks to it.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Originally posted by: Imaginer
IDDQD?

A true god has no limits. Therefore what the OP's title states is a contradiction. We only place such limits because we ourselves do not fully grasp the concepts of being omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, benevolent, impassible, etc.

You mean God is limited to zero limits? How is that not a contradiction?

The reason why we do not "grasp" concepts like omnimpotence and omniscience is that they are incoherent. Moreover, the problem does not exist in reality, but in the language we use to talk about it.
 

Kadarin

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Pointless question, given that there is no evidence whatsoever that "God" even exists in the first place.
 

LtPage1

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It's an infinite loop. He can do anything, so sure he could make a stone that heavy- but then he'd be able to lift it, because he could do anything. So he'd make one heavier, etc.
 

timosyy

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The Christian answer to the question posed in the OP is yes, he could.

And then he'd lift it.

Edit: Also, questions like this are rather silly. Its like the old middle school question "Do your parents know you're gay?" Either answer (yes or no) implies that you are gay (even if you aren't). Either answer (yes or no) to the original question implies that God is not omnipotent (even if he is).

/shrug
 
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Well isn't this quite philosophical? It's like saying God is the supreme being. Well that's the definition of God isn't it? Omnipotence, immortality, supreme in all ways. So thus, a stone can never be too heavy that He cannot lift it.

By answering NO to your question, it's not saying "No, God cannot create a heavyass stone." It's saying God can create any stone He chooses to, but there is no stone in this world that He cannot lift, so such a stone cannot be created.
 

Flyback

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If God is by definition an "uncaused mover", is He then not above and beyond our logic games to begin with?
 

skace

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Do the Greek gods visit the Catholic god? And if so do you think they have a mob mentality and feel superior because of their numbers?
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: TheSiege
I read it in a book. Its kind of a conundrum. God can create anything, so can't he create a stone that it is too heavy for even Him? Well if He does then He is limited by his own creation, which would go against Him being omnipotent. So can He not create a stone too heavy for Him? Then He would be limited again.

It makes my head hurt.
This is what happens when folks without a background in mathematics toy around with infinite this-and-that, and go creating the idea of a god who's got infinite power, infinite knowledge, things which tend to create logical paradoxes. God knew from the time of creation how the Universe would turn out, thus he knew that Adam and Eve would eat from the tree, he knew that he would have to flood Earth, he knew that he would have to create a son so that he could be murdered on a cross - all this he knew from before he created the Universe. So, rather than correct the bugs in the system before the release date, he released it anyway, but just issued patches later.


Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
God cannot be understood on our level of thinking. Like Child of Wonder mentioned, the question itself if flawed b/c we cannot begin to understand the omnipotence of God (that is if you actually do believe in God).

But a way of answering this would be to ask another question. How does creating a stone so heavy that He cannot lift glorify Himself? Remember, everything God does in one way or another glorifies him. If that's true, then the original question does not fall into the scope of God.

But like I said, we can't understand God fully so the question isn't valid.
Everything he does has to glorify himself? Ego trip much?
 

lyssword

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Well why haven't anyone thought about gravity? (except Mooo) God turns off gravity, boom, can lift objects infinitely large. So he will keep making the stone bigger while at the same time lifting it. ++loop infinity. Problem solved.

I'm agnostic though, so the whole question is irrelevant.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: lyssword
Well why haven't anyone thought about gravity? (except Mooo) God turns off gravity, boom, can lift objects infinitely large. So he will keep making the stone bigger while at the same time lifting it. ++loop infinity. Problem solved.

I'm agnostic though, so the whole question is irrelevant.
How about an object with infinite weight? Then turning off gravity would nullify the condition of infinite weight, thus it would violate the original problem.
Only Kirk can cheat by changing the rules of the simulation.
 

SunnyD

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See, it's like this. God would create said rock... God would try to move it, and then be all "Well shit, I wanted it there anyway." Kind of like that one ST:TNG episode, Devil's Due. "I... uh... LIKE the tremors!".
 

polarmystery

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Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
God cannot be understood on our level of thinking. Like Child of Wonder mentioned, the question itself if flawed b/c we cannot begin to understand the omnipotence of God (that is if you actually do believe in God).

But a way of answering this would be to ask another question. How does creating a stone so heavy that He cannot lift glorify Himself? Remember, everything God does in one way or another glorifies him. If that's true, then the original question does not fall into the scope of God.

But like I said, we can't understand God fully so the question isn't valid.

FAIL
 
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