Originally posted by: josh1413
It requires more faith to believe there is no God, than to believe that there is............
"Hahaha, i really do hope you're joking, because that's really funny."
Go ahead, make fun of me for what i believe.............i'll be praying for you too.....
Originally posted by: josh1413
It requires more faith to believe there is no God, than to believe that there is............
"Hahaha, i really do hope you're joking, because that's really funny."
Go ahead, make fun of me for what i believe.............i'll be praying for you too.....
Originally posted by: MetalStorm
Originally posted by: josh1413
It requires more faith to believe there is no God, than to believe that there is............
"Hahaha, i really do hope you're joking, because that's really funny."
Go ahead, make fun of me for what i believe.............i'll be praying for you too.....
Please do pray for me, and while you're doing that, I'll be doing something more useful... like sleeping.
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
MetalStorm:
While I don't agree with certain people, I don't feel the need to criticize and make fun of their beliefs.
Regardless, I "believe" and "place my faith" in science.
Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
MetalStorm:
While I don't agree with certain people, I don't feel the need to criticize and make fun of their beliefs.
Regardless, I "believe" and "place my faith" in science.
i respect your stance, but what are you believing in? it isnt really something to believe in...its just something to observe and learn. where are you placing your faith?
Originally posted by: Benmohr
Was surfing last night and came across in interesting statistic...
99% of those people who claim to have been abducted by aliens also believe in God..
What does that tell you!!! Oh just a thought, maybe its god trying to say Hi and thanks for your donations!
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: Benmohr
Was surfing last night and came across in interesting statistic...
99% of those people who claim to have been abducted by aliens also believe in God..
What does that tell you!!! Oh just a thought, maybe its god trying to say Hi and thanks for your donations!
Link?
Originally posted by: WaxHaX0rS
What makes my head hurt is the question of why people have so much faith in God. What makes you so sure that what the church has been pounding into your head for your entire life is true at all? It doesn't make sense...just because your great^x grandfather believed in the Bible and everything doesn't make it true. You know what an interesting experiment would be that I just thought of 30 seconds ago? Create a Truman Show type thing, and make up some crazy religion (not too crazy, just about as crazy as Christianity though) and pound it into "Truman's" (or whatever you want to call him) head for years and years and see what happens. He will defend it to the death just like most of you Christians do. There is absolutely 0 proof that anything in the Bible is true. No angel has come down and whispered "the truth" into your ear. It's pure and utter socialization. There is absolutely NO reason to believe that anything in the Bible and preached in the churches is true. People cling to it because they have been socialized to think "who am I to question 2000 years of religious teaching?" And to those who are saying to themselves right now, "look at how complex the world is, there's no way that it could just be there by chance, it must be the work of God!" To this I ask: why does it make any more sense that there is a God who just happened to be there, than for the world to just be there. I'm not atheist BTW, I consider myself an agnostic. I wish I could be Christian, I'm just screwed with by being to smart for that. I also can not force myself to believe something that I think is false.
Originally posted by: Gilby
this is also how Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. He did things that ONLY men do and also things that ONLY God does. it isnt for us to completely understand because we just cant. we are just like mice, frogs, turkeys, etc. we have a cap on our logic and reasoning skills
Or perhaps its that we actually have reasoning skills...religions have been trying to put the kibosh on those for just about ever, what with the fact that those skills make said religions look silly.
If you keep on trying to prove God exists, then you will never know whether God exists or not because once you prove God does or does not exist, everything will cease to exist and will never have existed. So just don't worry about it.
this question is often asked by people who dont understand the power of God. you cant relate his power to tangible things or regular logic. he is all powerful, all knowing, and above reason and logic.
Originally posted by: minime72706
Originally posted by: WaxHaX0rS
What makes my head hurt is the question of why people have so much faith in God. What makes you so sure that what the church has been pounding into your head for your entire life is true at all? It doesn't make sense...just because your great^x grandfather believed in the Bible and everything doesn't make it true. You know what an interesting experiment would be that I just thought of 30 seconds ago? Create a Truman Show type thing, and make up some crazy religion (not too crazy, just about as crazy as Christianity though) and pound it into "Truman's" (or whatever you want to call him) head for years and years and see what happens. He will defend it to the death just like most of you Christians do. There is absolutely 0 proof that anything in the Bible is true. No angel has come down and whispered "the truth" into your ear. It's pure and utter socialization. There is absolutely NO reason to believe that anything in the Bible and preached in the churches is true. People cling to it because they have been socialized to think "who am I to question 2000 years of religious teaching?" And to those who are saying to themselves right now, "look at how complex the world is, there's no way that it could just be there by chance, it must be the work of God!" To this I ask: why does it make any more sense that there is a God who just happened to be there, than for the world to just be there. I'm not atheist BTW, I consider myself an agnostic. I wish I could be Christian, I'm just screwed with by being to smart for that. I also can not force myself to believe something that I think is false.
There is a lot of proof that the bible is true. just searching for biblical evidence or somthing close will turn up many sources of external finds that confirm biblical stories or infomation
Originally posted by: sodcha0s
If you keep on trying to prove God exists, then you will never know whether God exists or not because once you prove God does or does not exist, everything will cease to exist and will never have existed. So just don't worry about it.
This may or may not be true, but ONLY if you do believe. If you don't, this statement is complete rubbish.
this question is often asked by people who dont understand the power of God. you cant relate his power to tangible things or regular logic. he is all powerful, all knowing, and above reason and logic.
So I suppose you do understand the power of god then. Since you understand his mortally incomprehensible powers, then that must mean YOU are god. Congrats man.
Really, why do people believe in and love something that would cause us so much pain and suffering? If we are his children and he loves us so much, why does he inflict so much pain upon us? If god created EVERYTHING, then who created him? The simple truth is God was created by humans, not the other way around. Creating a God made it easy to explain things that we didn't understand, it also made it easy to control the masses.
Originally posted by: josh1413
Originally posted by: minime72706
Originally posted by: WaxHaX0rS
What makes my head hurt is the question of why people have so much faith in God. What makes you so sure that what the church has been pounding into your head for your entire life is true at all? It doesn't make sense...just because your great^x grandfather believed in the Bible and everything doesn't make it true. You know what an interesting experiment would be that I just thought of 30 seconds ago? Create a Truman Show type thing, and make up some crazy religion (not too crazy, just about as crazy as Christianity though) and pound it into "Truman's" (or whatever you want to call him) head for years and years and see what happens. He will defend it to the death just like most of you Christians do. There is absolutely 0 proof that anything in the Bible is true. No angel has come down and whispered "the truth" into your ear. It's pure and utter socialization. There is absolutely NO reason to believe that anything in the Bible and preached in the churches is true. People cling to it because they have been socialized to think "who am I to question 2000 years of religious teaching?" And to those who are saying to themselves right now, "look at how complex the world is, there's no way that it could just be there by chance, it must be the work of God!" To this I ask: why does it make any more sense that there is a God who just happened to be there, than for the world to just be there. I'm not atheist BTW, I consider myself an agnostic. I wish I could be Christian, I'm just screwed with by being to smart for that. I also can not force myself to believe something that I think is false.
There is a lot of proof that the bible is true. just searching for biblical evidence or somthing close will turn up many sources of external finds that confirm biblical stories or infomation
Yes that is right on. The bible has yet been proven false in its historic record of events. Given the fact the bible has yet been proven false, is truth enough that the Bible to be considered true.
Originally posted by: walla
Originally posted by: josh1413
Originally posted by: minime72706
Originally posted by: WaxHaX0rS
What makes my head hurt is the question of why people have so much faith in God. What makes you so sure that what the church has been pounding into your head for your entire life is true at all? It doesn't make sense...just because your great^x grandfather believed in the Bible and everything doesn't make it true. You know what an interesting experiment would be that I just thought of 30 seconds ago? Create a Truman Show type thing, and make up some crazy religion (not too crazy, just about as crazy as Christianity though) and pound it into "Truman's" (or whatever you want to call him) head for years and years and see what happens. He will defend it to the death just like most of you Christians do. There is absolutely 0 proof that anything in the Bible is true. No angel has come down and whispered "the truth" into your ear. It's pure and utter socialization. There is absolutely NO reason to believe that anything in the Bible and preached in the churches is true. People cling to it because they have been socialized to think "who am I to question 2000 years of religious teaching?" And to those who are saying to themselves right now, "look at how complex the world is, there's no way that it could just be there by chance, it must be the work of God!" To this I ask: why does it make any more sense that there is a God who just happened to be there, than for the world to just be there. I'm not atheist BTW, I consider myself an agnostic. I wish I could be Christian, I'm just screwed with by being to smart for that. I also can not force myself to believe something that I think is false.
There is a lot of proof that the bible is true. just searching for biblical evidence or somthing close will turn up many sources of external finds that confirm biblical stories or infomation
Yes that is right on. The bible has yet been proven false in its historic record of events. Given the fact the bible has yet been proven false, is truth enough that the Bible to be considered true.
I could make up a story, supported by ideas that humans have no way of proving or disproving. I could then tell my story to people and claim it as truth, simply because people cannot disprove it. Maybe my intentions are good or evil. Perhaps I am creating this story to support why I should be the undeniable ruler. Perhaps I am creating this story to get donations.Perhaps I am feeding of the fear, uncertainty and doubt of the times in order to control people. Perhaps I'm Ron L. Hubbard .
If I get 10 people to believe me, I've created a cult.
If I get a million people to believe me, I've created a religion.
The thing about the truth of the bible, is it seems like many of the statements that seem implausible (such as people living for 900 years, capturing billions of organisms to put on a boat etc) can be streched to seem reasonable by twisting logic. I once asked a religious person "how could one fit so many animals on a boat - how could you separate all of them from attacking, infecting, eating each other". The answers he gave were all laughable in my opinion. However, I wasn't there, so I can't say what did or didn't happen.
But does that really mean its true?
millions of people would not die for a lie, like they have over the Bible
We bring pain and suffering upon ourselves. Ever since adam and eve were created, God gave man choice, and God can't control our choices. God has always been there, and "God's ways are past finding out."
Truth?? What truth? People won't believe a lie. If God were just made up, then why is there is talk about God today? It has been thousands of years since man were created, and we're still talking about God? Why is that. If there is no God, then why are we today talking about him, since God was made up by a man. That is foolish to believe. You think we are here by accident? That is a scary thought, i believe we all have a purpose in life. It is up to you to fullfill your purpose and to find life in Christ. I believe that we're still alive today is proof enough that there is a God.........
With God, anything is possible. You view Gods ways through human logistics. There is proof that the earth was at one time all covered in water. Sure we don't know how Noah put all the animals in the ark. We don't know what all animals he did put in. We know he did not put any animals from the sea into the ark, but what all animals he did, we're not sure. With God, anything is possible, and untill you realize that, you will continue questioning Gods ways......
millions of people would not die for a lie, like they have over the Bible........
Originally posted by: sodcha0s
We bring pain and suffering upon ourselves. Ever since adam and eve were created, God gave man choice, and God can't control our choices. God has always been there, and "God's ways are past finding out."
Yep, we created the tsunamis that wiped out hundreds of thousands of innocent people, many of them helpless children and elderly. The ensuing pain and suffering by the survivors is strictly the fault of humanity. This along with countless other disasters in which innocent victims suffer or lose their lives is caused by us. Right.
God created everything, and is all knowing and all powerful beyond our comprehension. He created the universe, the earth and everything on it. He is perfect. He created satan and all the evil associated with him. (remember, he's all knowing so he knew exactly what would happen before he created anything) He created all religions despite the fact that they all disagree on many things and those disagreements are what lead to wars, which lead to the death and suffering of many innocent people. You can't say he is the sole creator of everything, and them blame humanity or nature for all the pain and suffering and evil that goes on in the world.
Truth?? What truth? People won't believe a lie. If God were just made up, then why is there is talk about God today? It has been thousands of years since man were created, and we're still talking about God? Why is that. If there is no God, then why are we today talking about him, since God was made up by a man. That is foolish to believe. You think we are here by accident? That is a scary thought, i believe we all have a purpose in life. It is up to you to fullfill your purpose and to find life in Christ. I believe that we're still alive today is proof enough that there is a God.........
OK, maybe I mis-spoke when I called it a "simple truth." Nobody knows the truth, just what we believe to be the truth or what we feel is the likely truth. People won't believe a lie? LMAO. People believe lies all the time. Even when confronted with the truth, many people still cling on to the lies. People still believe in God because they are taught from early childhood that he is real. Man created Santa Claus, and we still talk about him, even make our children believe in him, yet he really doesn't exist. Why? To pacify our children and make them happy. Give them something to look forward to. And to and extent, control them. "If you're not good, Santa won't bring you anything for Christams..." God does the same thing for people. Gives them something to look forward to, gives them meaning to their lives, gives them answers when there aren't any. And gives them a reason to live. I'm not knocking faith per se, in many ways it is a very good thing and I have no problem with people that have faith and are believers. I respect their beliefs and don't go around trying to convince people that God doesn't exist, even though many religious people try to get me to believe he does. I am simply stating MY opinion, whether it's right or wrong is up to each individual to decide.
Originally posted by: josh1413
Originally posted by: sodcha0s
We bring pain and suffering upon ourselves. Ever since adam and eve were created, God gave man choice, and God can't control our choices. God has always been there, and "God's ways are past finding out."
Yep, we created the tsunamis that wiped out hundreds of thousands of innocent people, many of them helpless children and elderly. The ensuing pain and suffering by the survivors is strictly the fault of humanity. This along with countless other disasters in which innocent victims suffer or lose their lives is caused by us. Right.
God created everything, and is all knowing and all powerful beyond our comprehension. He created the universe, the earth and everything on it. He is perfect. He created satan and all the evil associated with him. (remember, he's all knowing so he knew exactly what would happen before he created anything) He created all religions despite the fact that they all disagree on many things and those disagreements are what lead to wars, which lead to the death and suffering of many innocent people. You can't say he is the sole creator of everything, and them blame humanity or nature for all the pain and suffering and evil that goes on in the world.
Truth?? What truth? People won't believe a lie. If God were just made up, then why is there is talk about God today? It has been thousands of years since man were created, and we're still talking about God? Why is that. If there is no God, then why are we today talking about him, since God was made up by a man. That is foolish to believe. You think we are here by accident? That is a scary thought, i believe we all have a purpose in life. It is up to you to fullfill your purpose and to find life in Christ. I believe that we're still alive today is proof enough that there is a God.........
OK, maybe I mis-spoke when I called it a "simple truth." Nobody knows the truth, just what we believe to be the truth or what we feel is the likely truth. People won't believe a lie? LMAO. People believe lies all the time. Even when confronted with the truth, many people still cling on to the lies. People still believe in God because they are taught from early childhood that he is real. Man created Santa Claus, and we still talk about him, even make our children believe in him, yet he really doesn't exist. Why? To pacify our children and make them happy. Give them something to look forward to. And to and extent, control them. "If you're not good, Santa won't bring you anything for Christams..." God does the same thing for people. Gives them something to look forward to, gives them meaning to their lives, gives them answers when there aren't any. And gives them a reason to live. I'm not knocking faith per se, in many ways it is a very good thing and I have no problem with people that have faith and are believers. I respect their beliefs and don't go around trying to convince people that God doesn't exist, even though many religious people try to get me to believe he does. I am simply stating MY opinion, whether it's right or wrong is up to each individual to decide.
"Yep, we created the tsunamis that wiped out hundreds of thousands of innocent people, many of them helpless children and elderly. The ensuing pain and suffering by the survivors is strictly the fault of humanity. This along with countless other disasters in which innocent victims suffer or lose their lives is caused by us. Right."
Nobody knows why that tsunami hit, or why terrorists flew into the WTC. Or any other catastrophy that has happend. We can't explain it, nobody can. Us christians just put our faith and hope in the Lord. No we don't know why this or that happends. I don't know why i lost a friend in a car wreck, i can't explain that, but i just put my faith, trust and hope in the Lord, and that is where i find my peace.
"People believe lies all the time. Even when confronted with the truth, many people still cling on to the lies."
Yes you are right, people believe what they want, but millions even billions of people would not die for somthing that they have any doubt about. Truth reveals itself over time. As they say "A lie can run half-way around the world, before truth gets it shoes on, but the truth will win out."
"God created everything, and is all knowing and all powerful beyond our comprehension. He created the universe, the earth and everything on it. He is perfect. He created satan and all the evil associated with him. (remember, he's all knowing so he knew exactly what would happen before he created anything) He created all religions despite the fact that they all disagree on many things and those disagreements are what lead to wars, which lead to the death and suffering of many innocent people. You can't say he is the sole creator of everything, and them blame humanity or nature for all the pain and suffering and evil that goes on in the world."
One thing God can't control is our choices. Satan was a high angel, he was in charge of music in heaven before he fell. Pride rose up within him, and he said "i can be like the most high God" that is when satan fell like lightning from heaven. (that is a part of a scripture i think in Isaiah.) Again, people believe what they want to believe. People create there own religion. There is only one way to make it to heaven, and that is through Jesus. (that is my personal belief, so please don't bash)
I tottaly respect your/yalls opinion, i really enjoy disscussing this with yall.........if you got any more questions, i can do my best to answer......