Can humans live sustainably?

[Rogodin2]

We cant decrease population - the economy would collape.

B00ne

I think that if there is a population decrease on a large scale that it may happen in the those countries that use very cheap labor to produce necessary products for our lifestyle: China and India specifically.

Capitalism is based on infinite growth, I believe this too. The primary problem is that the earth is finite in its resources.

Thanks for the post!

Rogo

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Rogodin2

'm pretty sure he's mentally retarded.

You're more of a child than I am. And the mods let you get away posting 'retarded' on the forum?

Rogo

Get away with? Mental retardation is an actual disorder, one from which you suffer. I fail to see how that I'm "get[ting] away" with anything, simply discussing medically recognized problem and how it affects people such as yourself.

BTW, here's the next private message he sent me:

Booba

Don't post in any thread I create.

Thanks

Apparently calling me "Booba" and everyone else "wankers" is what passes for being an adult in his mind. Yes, I'd say the evidence for mental retardation is piling up quite quickly here.

:thumbsup: :laugh:

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Saving ecosystems, saving the planet, saving the animals that live with us and sustain us-is what?

Rogo

I think that while some humans are capable of understanding the implications of their actions in the broader scheme of things, most people are simply too stupid to care. They'll act impulsively and live for the moment, and not understand the relationship between their past actions and their current situation. They can't even live sustainably on their own income and avoid credit card debt, do you really think they'll be able to think deeper and understand the slow changes which are happening to the Earth? Half of these morons don't even believe in evolution.

Unfortunately a simple fact undermines the progress of a democracy- the poor and uneducated out-reproduce the rich and knowledgeable. Everyone gets one vote, so the parade or morons will win in the end.

The saving grace that humans have is a propensity for violence and war. World wars are good for the Earth because they cull the herd, and usually for the better. Taking advantage of the poor's lack of money management, the rich effectively get the poor to do the fighting for them by dangling some money in front of them. Many of the poor will die off, and the rich, as a whole, end up gaining a better position in the world.

 

[Doboji]

We don't need to... so many other great planets to destroy...

 

[Rogodin2]

adlamemc

Please don't post crap in my threads.

Thanks

Rogo

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2

We cant decrease population - the economy would collape.

B00ne

I think that if there is a population decrease on a large scale that it may happen in the those countries that use very cheap labor to produce necessary products for our lifestyle: China and India specifically.

Capitalism is based on infinite growth, I believe this too. The primary problem is that the earth is finite in its resources.

Thanks for the post!

Rogo

It already happens - in Europe and it is the (one) reason why economists see Europes demise looming

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
adlamemc

Please don't post crap in my threads.

Thanks

Rogo

Too bad, I am going to anyways. There is not a damn thing you can do about it.

 

[Rogodin2]

They'll act impulsively and live for the moment, and not understand the relationship between their past actions and their current situation.

The relatinship between the earth and yourself is a strange and mysterious connection. Working the earth, on the top of a huge resource burning machine and the impact of your own ecological footprint, can be an epiphany. Most people in our country have never worked the earth, even in commercial agriculture.


I appreciate the reply!

Rogo

 

[Rogodin2]

Too bad, I am going to anyways. There is not a damn thing you can do about it.

No I can't, but you can make manifest your idiocy.

Thanks

Rogo

 

[Rogodin2]

Doboji

We don't need to... so many other great planets to destroy...

Do you think we can successfully do a planet transfer before we detroy the sustainability of our planet?

Rogo

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2

They'll act impulsively and live for the moment, and not understand the relationship between their past actions and their current situation.

The relatinship between the earth and yourself is a strange and mysterious connection. Working the earth, on the top of a huge resource burning machine and the impact of your own ecological footprint, can be an epiphany. Most people in our country have never worked the earth, even in commercial agriculture.


I appreciate the reply!

Rogo

While I drive a car and use resources, I still see a value in conservation. Sadly, it seems that the current generation looks down upon farmers and sees no value in forests and undeveloped land. They seem to think that tearing down the trees and slapping a housing development on that land is the way to go.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2

We cant decrease population - the economy would collape.

B00ne

I think that if there is a population decrease on a large scale that it may happen in the those countries that use very cheap labor to produce necessary products for our lifestyle: China and India specifically.

Capitalism is based on infinite growth, I believe this too. The primary problem is that the earth is finite in its resources.

Thanks for the post!

Rogo

Sorry, the bolded is flat-out wrong. The basis of capitalism is scarcity. Please read the link in my sig, it provides an excellent overview into liberal capitalism.

 

[Rogodin2]

Vic

I checked out that link earlier today, it's a great resource.

I''ll definately read it.

Thanks

Rogo

 

[91TTZ]

I think the policymakers of today depend on infinite growth to support a spending policy which isn't sustainable.

Example:

We have 50 people living in town and they each pay $1 in taxes. So $50 comes in per year. Right now, we spend $55 a year on that town of 50 people. We depend on population growth to pay for the difference. So the following year 55 people are living in town. That pays for the previous year's stuff. Only problem is, you spend $60 on the 55 people the next year. Don't worry, more people will be moving in next year...

I think that the current politicians aren't managing their money well. We're racking up a huge debt, and depending on future generations to pay for it. If you have to depend on population growth to support your current spending, then you're either not taxing the people enough or you're spending too much.

 

[Rogodin2]

While I drive a car and use resources, I still see a value in conservation. Sadly, it seems that the current generation looks down upon farmers and sees no value in forests and undeveloped land. They seem to think that tearing down the trees and slapping a housing development on that land is the way to go.

Owning your own suburban home is a nationwide dream, but I understand that dream.

I have a small sliver of hope that the people that are living in suburbia and the city enviorments will try to live more sustainably.

Rogo

 

[RU482]

I bet we'll be eating 3rd world people by the end of the century

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: redly1
I bet we'll be eating 3rd world people by the end of the century

Mmmm... soylent green... long pig...

 

[Rogodin2]

I bet we'll be eating 3rd world people by the end of the century

Only if you can afford the $12pp lean ground 3rd world people meat.

You use more resources than a third world person, so you'll end up being the food m8

Rogo

 

[Rogodin2]

I think the policymakers of today depend on infinite growth to support a spending policy which isn't sustainable.

The policy makers ARE the 'ELITE'-they are stockpiling money-they don't care about our soldiers, our way of life, or the taxation of middle america. They have some serious tax breaks

Rogo

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2

..species come and go. Your days are numbered. go have some medical marijuana and enjoy your green dreams.

IGBT

Don't you think we have one of the greatest chances, that this earth has made mainfest, of producing the most beautiful and creative culture possible?

Rogo

..cultures come and go. All the Nahuatl speaking people (Aztecs) conquered by small pox and Hernan Cortes in 1519. The Maya of Yucatan and Guatemala..the ancient Egyptians lasted to aprox. the 3rd century A.D. were all among the most modern and technological societies of their time. And time consumed them all.. just like it will consume you.

 

[manlymatt83]

Wow. Even.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
don't worry about it...
famine= fixed!

sustainable is different from an optimal situation. sustainable might mean turning the rain forest into farmland and causing mass extinctions to support a massive population growth for instance.

You can't turn a rainforest into farmland. That should be common knowledge!

/taps sarcasm meter

You can farm on rainforest soil for a year or two, then it's worthless. That's why deforestation happens so quickly.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I'm confused. As time has progressed, humans have been able to make more and more and now more than enough for everyone to survive. There is more than enough food on this planet to feed everyone with a way less percentage of population working in agriculture.

What are you getting at? Don't we live in overall better conditions now than in the past?

Methinks you need to take a look at our current corn situation.

 

[Rogodin2]

And time consumed them all.. just like it will consume you.

I've not argued that we as a species are beyond time. I'm asking all of you if you think we as a species have used the greatest natural resource on this planet in a responsible way. I don't think we have.

Rogo

 

[Oceandevi]

rogo's training camp?