Can I clone already activated Win8.1 installations?

Chicken76

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I have bought several identical laptops. They didn't come with OS preinstalled (Free DOS) so I bought for each laptop it's Win8.1 Pro OEM license (the sticker type).
Now I installed Windows on the first one, drivers, updates, etc. and was wondering if I could just make an image of the drive and clone it to the others, and just change the computer name for each one?

The installation didn't let me skip the key entry step so I had to enter one and I'm looking at This PC -> Properties and it says it's activated, although I don't remember it asking me to do it.
I suspect if I do clone this installation, this Windows key will try to activate on each laptop upon first boot, which is not what I want, as I have bought a license for each laptop.

So, is there a simpler/faster procedure in this case than install on each one and go through all the software&driver installations and configuration? I know about volume licenses, but I don't have those, just the OEM sticker&DVD for each one.
 

corkyg

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Yes. I do it regularly. I have duplicate drives for all of my computers and rotate them via mobile racks on a weekly basis. I have done this since Win 95. No problems ever with activations, With my laptop, I do it with duplicate SSDs. As far asd the OS is concerned, it is the same machine.
 

Cardio

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Yes, OEM's are locked to that machine, but I have done it several times and have not had Microsoft's phone activation fail to activate them. It is a phone call but is all computerized...you don't speak to a person. I was surprised but worked on several office computers with no problem. Took only a couple of minutes.
 

FrankRamiro

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Yes, OEM's are locked to that machine, but I have done it several times and have not had Microsoft's phone activation fail to activate them. It is a phone call but is all computerized...you don't speak to a person. I was surprised but worked on several office computers with no problem. Took only a couple of minutes.

how do you make the call with the pc,you have to have Phone Card ?
 

TheELF

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This is outdated for answering the OP's question. The Windows 8 and up code is listed in the BIOS from most manufacturers, and OEM copies of Windows know how to find it.

corkyg has the correct answer.
But he bought laptops that had dos pre-installed and not ones with pre-installed windows that have oem serials embedded in their uefis.
 

BonzaiDuck

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But he bought laptops that had dos pre-installed and not ones with pre-installed windows that have oem serials embedded in their uefis.

First, answering FrankRamiro: You would go through the activation process, and at some point it would provide instructions and a phone number.

I could be wrong, although I doubt that "embedded in UEFIs" would preclude a change of licence and product key. You should be able to enter the respective Product ID keys for each successive machine and license, possibly either through the activation process, or some other entry point.

While I've lost a bit of faith and trust in M$ most recently, they know that IT groups and OEMs make mass installations of these OS's, and they clone the drive of an initial pristine installation. They'd be fools for making it impossible for the OP to do it the same way.
 

Ketchup

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But he bought laptops that had dos pre-installed and not ones with pre-installed windows that have oem serials embedded in their uefis.

That is a good question (for me anyway). Even though the laptop doesn't come with Windows installed, do we know that there isn't a key in the BIOS?
 

TheELF

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You can always change your serial or do the phone activation,no argument there.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/genuine/product-key#T1=tab01
I'm just saying that you will have to do something yourself just cloning will not be enough.

If they had windows keys in the bios they would be stupid not to sell them with windows already installed.
Although now OEMs can get windows with bing for free so they are stupid anyway to sell laptops with dos.
 

corkyg

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In my laptop's case, I did not use the OS that came with it. I did an upgrade to a retail Win 7 Ultimate, and then upgraded that to 8.0 and 8.1. Alternating cloned drives is never a problem that way.
 

Ketchup

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You can always change your serial or do the phone activation,no argument there.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/genuine/product-key#T1=tab01
I'm just saying that you will have to do something yourself just cloning will not be enough.

If they had windows keys in the bios they would be stupid not to sell them with windows already installed.
Although now OEMs can get windows with bing for free so they are stupid anyway to sell laptops with dos.

Years ago (Bill Gates era) the big names were contractually obligated to sell computers with a Windows License. It didn't have to have Windows on it when sold, but most/all did since they were paying for it anyway.

That may have changed over the years, due to antitrust legislation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_of_Microsoft_Windows
 

JackMDS

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If One has Retail version of Windows, One can clones, move, copy, whatever. It will Activated and void the previous Activation so that there is No more than One computer Active with the specific Retail key.

With OEM there is No way to know for sure short of trying. There are variety of licenses and deals that were done between Microsoft and Vendors.

Retail, No matter where you buy it it like you bought from Microsoft. OEM you buy from a specific vendor Not from Microsoft and thus waht deal the vendor did applies to the OS.



 

BonzaiDuck

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I'm mildly concerned about who may be "running the store" now at MS.

Back in the '90s, I don't really think I was breaking the spirit of my Win 95 and Win 98 licenses; for each computer I had on my home-office network, there was a separately licensed OS installed.

Then I remember I obtained an academic issue of Win 2000 Pro. I discovered that I could install it on two or three machines -- the same product key-- with no problem. In a pinch, when we moved to Win XP separately licensed for each machine, The Win 2K-Pro became an interim server OS.

They kept tightening the restrictions knitting the OS to the hardware. But it was still just fine through Win 7: If I swapped out a motherboard, I'd make the call and answer the questions correctly. To this date, I have no personal experience with Win 8.

But as I said, regardless who is "running the store" now, they'd be foolish to make it impossible for cloning an OS install to several disks and activating them under the respective and different product keys. Just foolish.

Of course, I'm still gritting my teeth about the abandonment of Media Center, and the totally unknown future of anything to take its place. Since they have possession of that software through four generations, cost justifications don't make sense -- despite the very small enthusiast following for it.

Who knows exactly who these folks are, anyway? And are they "playing with a full deck" -- so to speak? Deep pockets and big salaries are no real measure of either brains or vision. But MS had always had both.

Do they still?
 

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To those who are young and born into the era of the Internet that made you think that you entitled to many things Free.

Until the 1985-90 the only thing Free was Toasters or Mixers given by Banks to people that Deposit over $1000, and small samples of cosmetics given to Women in Department stores.



 
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BonzaiDuck

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To those who are young and born into the era of the Internet that made you think that you entitled to many things Free.

Until the 1985-90 the only thing Free was Toasters or Mixers given by Banks to people that Deposit over $1000, and small samples of cosmetics given to Women in Department stores.


Oh, I wouldn't slam the millennials too much on that count. They're saving money at a greater rate than their predecessors -- for good reason, and almost as though they've become reincarnations of Greatest Generation folks who went through the Depression.

On the other hand, some of them seem to have a myopic understanding of history. I had met one young woman at the smog-testing center's TV lounge five years ago, and we struck up a conversation in which I raised the name of Robert MacNamara. She didn't know who he was. So when I mentioned the Cold War, she responded "Oh! We learned about that in high-school! That's when we were fighting the Columnists!"

The legal notion of intellectual property and copy-protection lagged behind the natural larcenous inclinations of people who'd become ebullient about the new technology in the '80s. I remember someone had marketed a piece of software that would allow duplication of a Lotus 1-2-3 floppy. You could duplicate any MS-DOS disk. Of course, in those days, the software followed the medium on which it was stored -- a floppy disc. Many of the machines of the mid-80s weren't yet equipped with hard disks.

At the same time, a programmer working for an organization couldn't technically seek copyright on a piece of software he'd developed at work, until around 1987, when PC Week (a news magazine) announced that a circuit court judge had ruled such individuals were entitled to do that.

Except for my exploitation of Win2K-Pro's lack of copy protection -- an indulgence which didn't lead to any "income" beyond what I'd acquire with a single computer -- I never had a problem with Microsoft's growing ability to knit the OS to the hardware for OEM releases.

But I worry about this issue we're discussing at the moment. As far as I know and for Windows 7, you could use another legitimate product key to activate an installation with any install disc bearing any other product key. The "key" . . . was the key to it all.

On the one hand, "there's no such thing as a free lunch." On the other, MS has made money hand over fist because they're a dominant firm in a spectrum including monopoly at one end and perfect competition on the other. Patents are short-term monopolies granted to inventors and corporations to encourage people to seek a gold mine through innovation.

One can argue that there's "competition" because users have a Linux or similar option. They could get Sun-Micro's Open Office for free, or they could buy Corel WordPerfect for much less than Office. But the herd goes with the dominant firm, and the dominant firm calls the shots. This then provides an upper hand in controlling prices -- which both MS and Intel relentlessly do.

What is "fair compensation" for this type of intellectual property? At minimum, it would cover the declining average fixed cost of R&D, the ongoing costs of maintenance, revision and customer support. But a user may have little choice; he may "need" to have the MS software or OS, because that's what everyone in his organization uses, it's what OEMs bundled with the machines. The anti-trust suits against MS have already been mentioned in that regard. Like the monopolist, the dominant firm can charge "whatever the market will bear," as opposed to what entities on the demand side would feel inclined to pay. That, too, can be discussed in the context of "entitlement."
 
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