Can Linux go mainstream?

swifty3

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I don't know anything about linux, but have heard that it is rock solid, and much better than MS os's. what do u people think? can linux become a mainstream os, and push MS out of the way?
 

Nothinman

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Pushing MS out of the way and becoming a mainstream OS are different things. In many ways I think Linux is already a mainstream OS.
 

swifty3

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by mainstream, i guess i mean being an OS that ships with the majority of new computers, that john smith buys at best buy or dell. and also an OS that all software manufactorers recognize and develop software for.
 

Nothinman

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I know what you meant, I just feel you're thinking about it the wrong way.

Linux has the potential to become mainstream by your definition but we have yet to see someone successfully exploit it but do we really want it? Most of Windows' problems (minus all of IIS) are from stupid users and stupid developers, being mainstream attracks all the idiots.
 

Barnaby W. Füi

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<< I know what you meant, I just feel you're thinking about it the wrong way.

Linux has the potential to become mainstream by your definition but we have yet to see someone successfully exploit it but do we really want it? Most of Windows' problems (minus all of IIS) are from stupid users and stupid developers, being mainstream attracks all the idiots.
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i think most of the people who want linux to go mainstream are the people who either dont use it or use it and dont quite "get it". a big part of being mainstream is commercial backing/pushing/etc, and the linux community is just not built that way. i'm fine with linux being how it is right now.
 

Shuxclams

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Linux is very much mainstream in the Server role, its been leading in "installs" for quite some time. As for pushing MS out? Depends on what you mean, can Linux push MS out of the mid/small business arena with servers and such, possibly, there are many applications that could be worked on to make that happen. One really big one would be replacing MS Exchange, that would certainly make it more attractive to mid/small business Consultants who need a stable and inexpensive soluotion, same for many of those MS products. Good news is Samba is going to or already does support Active Directory structure so integrating a Linux fileserver will be an in. As for workstation level? Longggggggggg way from being there since the support has been given primarily to heavy duty Serving and not the desktop level save CAD and Programming.









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swifty3

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i guess in my mind being "mainstream" can mean those things too, but also is simply the best product for the price. If linux is a better OS than MS stuff, and is more affordable, will it go "mainstream"? If linux has a strong hold in the server market, will it enter into the workstation market too? i ask, because although i have MS win 2k, and it seems to work better than previous releases, i think it is really not that great. i feel like if there isn't better OS's out there, then there should be. MS needs some compatition for crying out loud!
 

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<< i guess in my mind being "mainstream" can mean those things too, but also is simply the best product for the price. >>




Hmmm.. Off the top of my head I cant think of a better product that is 100% FREE... so I guess it meets your qualification.
 

swifty3

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so if it's free, why hasn't the market place embraced it in the desktop computer market? is it not better than MS products? i mean, for god sake it costs nothing!
 

swifty3

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by mainstream, i guess i mean being an OS that ships with the majority of new computers, that john smith buys at best buy or dell. and also an OS that all software manufactorers recognize and develop software for.

dahitman might want to read all the posts on this thread, b4 being a smartass.
 

NorthenLove

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<< so if it's free, why hasn't the market place embraced it in the desktop computer market? is it not better than MS products? i mean, for god sake it costs nothing! >>




Hmmm let's see illegal monopoly, blackmail of OEM's, extend and embrace and if that fails destroy policy by a huge abusive illegal monopoly, paid FUD miesters running around calling Open Source, GPL, and Linux/BSD as a whole a communist crash prone technology/endeavor. I say the fact that Linux and BSD have gotten this far means that they both are half way there.


 

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Lindows will go mainstream in due time.

I'm on a Gnome-based Linux box right now. It's awesome. It's got fantastic integration and learns your file formats and associations without any major problems.

I'm using Ximian Evolution 1.0.1 for my mail client. Galeon as my browser. Nautilus for my file manager. Slap a secretary in front of this machine and she'll be cooing with delight. It's one smooth operating system. The Linux advovates and the Anandtechers that say stuff like "Linux has no place else other than servers" ironically don't take the time to think about the learning curve associated with Windows. If you think about it, the same learning curve exists for Gnome or KDE.

My company is only 2 people right now. But I can assure you that this organization will work just fine with users running Gnome on Linux. It's easier to start an organization of right from the start on Linux then "migrate" users from Windows.

-S

 

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Sorry but the Winblows monopoly is pretty unassailable.

The question is silly: how do you overcome a well-entrenched monopoly with $30 bil in cash in the bank?

Answer: You don't.

And I happen to use Linux daily.
 

StuckMojo

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run the same applications
that's how

if/when wine can run most anything windows can, linux could
grab a much larger desktop share

not that i necessarily think that's good...
 

Nothinman

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The Linux advovates and the Anandtechers that say stuff like "Linux has no place else other than servers" ironically don't take the time to think about the learning curve associated with Windows. If you think about it, the same learning curve exists for Gnome or KDE.

I can't speak for all the Linux advocates here but I have never said Linux only belongs on servers and I do know the learning curve isn't very different. But you have to realize that A) most people have already gone through the Windows learning curve and don't want to go through another and B) they've already learned what they need to use applications like Word and Outlook, making them learn new apps is difficult no matter how similar they look.


run the same applications
that's how

if/when wine can run most anything windows can, linux could
grab a much larger desktop share


Just like OS/2 did?
 

FuManStan

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I dont think that any version of Linux will be on the average Joe's computer until it can run the wide range of programs that Windows already can. Namely being able to buy any game or application on the shelf and be able to play it. As long as you need special versions of programs to run it, its too much of a hassle for developers to make seperate versions and for consumers to look for a specific version.
 

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<< The Linux advovates and the Anandtechers that say stuff like "Linux has no place else other than servers" ironically don't take the time to think about the learning curve associated with Windows. If you think about it, the same learning curve exists for Gnome or KDE.

I can't speak for all the Linux advocates here but I have never said Linux only belongs on servers and I do know the learning curve isn't very different. But you have to realize that A) most people have already gone through the Windows learning curve and don't want to go through another and B) they've already learned what they need to use applications like Word and Outlook, making them learn new apps is difficult no matter how similar they look.


run the same applications
that's how

if/when wine can run most anything windows can, linux could
grab a much larger desktop share


Just like OS/2 did?
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Unless Microsoft drasticlly changes it's OS like they did when they went from Win 3.11 to 95 I think WINE has a chance to make things a little bit more easier for would be Linux users. Also why is it that people say that the average user can't adapt to change when it comes to platforms but for some reason everytime Microsoft re-tools and re-arranges it's apps there is no problem ?
 

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<< I dont think that any version of Linux will be on the average Joe's computer until it can run the wide range of programs that Windows already can. Namely being able to buy any game or application on the shelf and be able to play it. As long as you need special versions of programs to run it, its too much of a hassle for developers to make seperate versions and for consumers to look for a specific version. >>




I agree but then again I don't understand why developers can put together a application on one cd for both windows OS and apple OS ( 9 and below ) and yet they can't/won't do the same with a windows/linux version on one cd ? Now that Mac OS-X is out I really don't see why developers would not code for Linux and Mac OS-X both on the same disc in order to kill to birds with one stone and still have a windows version. Think about it though what is/will stop them from doing such a thing ?
 

FuManStan

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I think the problem with added support for Linux is that it just isnt very cost effective, with added support and developer costs. I dont really know much about Linux, so i dont want to make an opinion. But there really isnt any motivation for a developer to go out and support Linux over Windows
 

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I like Linux just the way it is now. It is, amongst other things, a great hobbyist OS that lets you have control. And lack of control is what drives me away from MS.

So far Linux seems to have survived the deep corporate involvement of IBM, so if it can continue this it will be great level playing field. (All I really know about this is I see the ads about IBM using Linux). But the corporate money always seeks to buy up worthy products, so I am worried that if the AOL Time Warner buy out of Redhat goes through, Linux could be another step toward being turned into a pawn in their battle against MS and others. If it stays open, it can continue to benefit from the awesome pool of talent of anyone who wants to contribute, instead of being suppressed by the tight control of a proprietary system.
 

Chatterjee

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There is so much confusion about Linux on the Business Desktop that I feel like writing a paper that explores a holistic approach to integrating Linux workstations into a Windows environment.

It's a systems administrator's responsibility to make sure their users are comfortable on the desktop. If you haven't read the recent article on DesktopLinux.org about the TrustCommerce scenario, you know what I'm talking about. Setting mime-types for your clients and setting up the email client and coming up with a one page spec doc on Ho To Use Your Machine is all that's necessary.

Let's get real here, kids. Microsoft Windows is just an operating system - badly designed at that. Why should I click the Start button to shutdown my machine? Software? Sure all us techie geeks need every piece of software in the world so that we can run our popcorn machine from our computer, but let's really think about the end user. They want to use a chat client,e-mail client, and web browser. If they want multimedia, they need a media player, and a video player.

I truely believe that Flash is going to change things also. With the availability of Flash for linux, kids can go to disney.com and play web-based computer games on the computer - fit with sound and everything. I think it's ridiculous for Linux to be considered by large organizations (10,000+ terminals) but that's only because chances are you're going to see more complex uses of Windows as a server OS. Exchange won't just be handling e-mail. The PDC will do much more than machine authentication. It makes much more sense for small businesses to figure out how to get their secretaries to use Linux to take phone calls and save precious money on those Windows and Office licenses. It's a long shot, but let's be practical. No, being practical (and fallatic) would be to say "Hey, the world's using Microsoft. I will too." So, instead, let's look at the core prerequisites of the public, and see if we can fit their needs.

All we really need to see is an impetus as big as Best Buy or Circuit City selling machines with Linux pre-installed. Do you know how many eyeballs that would catch? Dell doesn't count because you can't see Linux working right in front of your eyes. You have to buy the machine from their website. I think dell *can* offer linux on their machines because of precisely that. One tactic I can see is Alienware offering up Linux-preinstalled machines and selling them through Best Buy outlets. They've got a relationship with Best Buy from what I understand. They may not want to since it would seem a little risque and business-threatening. But who knows? As passive as Linux has been in "dominating the OS market" (relatively speaking to you know who), we can't see it going so far. It's sort of like salmon jumping and fighting upstream.

-S
 

LuckyTaxi

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Linux will not push MS off the desktop pedestal. They have a chance in the server market.
 

michaelsaxon

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Everyone who doubts linux as a desktop OS should take a look at Redmond linux (www.redmondlinux.org). I'm running it on a partition on my XP box, and it is pretty darn close to being perfect (in the categories of ease of use, stability, familiarity to a windows person, etc.)
 
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