Can Minesweeper be impossible some times

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: gotsmack
has anyone ever hit a mine in the first try? or is it programmed to not let the first one be a hit?

It's impossible to hit a mine on the first try. I think the mines are layed out after you first click.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Never have I had to make more than two 50/50 guesses, even on Expert.

Originally posted by: inveterate
BUT does the later version of windows Minesweeper also code it so that you don't run into the NEED to guess.

My answer is the same to both of you. There are custom games.

Try this: 9x9 grid with 64 mines as an extreme example. You will NEED to guess more than once.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
I think he meant that each game is possible to win, just that some decks only have 1 way of winning it and if you don't follow that exact method, you will awlays end up in a deadend situation. But if you reset and keep trying, u might eventually get the right method to win.

With most versions of Klondike, there are hands that cannot be won, no matter how you play.

Imagine this: in the pile with 7 cards, at the very bottom is an ace. On top of that ace are 4 kings. On top of those kings is a queen. All of these are face down. You cannot move that queen since you have no king to move it to. Thus you will never get to that ace. You cannot win, no matter how you play.

 

[Scarpozzi]

If you could see the matrix, you wouldn't have to guess.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Never have I had to make more than two 50/50 guesses, even on Expert.

Originally posted by: inveterate
BUT does the later version of windows Minesweeper also code it so that you don't run into the NEED to guess.

My answer is the same to both of you. There are custom games.

Try this: 9x9 grid with 64 mines as an extreme example. You will NEED to guess more than once.

I am still having to guess at the max grid size with 225 mines (7 years now)

 

[inveterate]

So,, iS the game """Flawed"""

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: inveterate
So,, iS the game """Flawed"""

What do you mean by "flawed"? If some people enjoy the game, then it serves its purpose. I thereby consider that to be not "flawed".

 

[JDrake]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: ntdz
How about solitare? Can solitare be impossible to win at times? It sure seems like it sometimes...

Wait, it's possible to win?:confsued;

Thats what I thought until one day I had a revelation

 

[spunkz]

Originally posted by: dullard
No, not impossible. But there are times where you have to make a 50/50 guess and there is no evidence pointing either way. If you have to make ten 50/50 guesses in a difficult Minesweeper game, then you have a 0.1% chance of winning even if you do everything perfectly.

it's definately not .1%

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I've played Minesweeper a lot (record of 17 seconds on Intermediate).

I find that hard to believe.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: dullard
No, not impossible. But there are times where you have to make a 50/50 guess and there is no evidence pointing either way. If you have to make ten 50/50 guesses in a difficult Minesweeper game, then you have a 0.1% chance of winning even if you do everything perfectly.

it's definately not .1%

Oh, I'm so sorry. 1/2^10 = 0.0976563%. Is that extra precision so much better? Or did you just misinterpret what I posted?

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: dullard
No, not impossible. But there are times where you have to make a 50/50 guess and there is no evidence pointing either way. If you have to make ten 50/50 guesses in a difficult Minesweeper game, then you have a 0.1% chance of winning even if you do everything perfectly.

it's definately not .1%

0.09765625% is close enough to .1%

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: JujuFish
0.09765625% is close enough to .1%

I got you by a split second.

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: JujuFish
0.09765625% is close enough to .1%

I got you by a split second.

But.. but.. but... I was more accurate!

 

[spunkz]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: dullard
No, not impossible. But there are times where you have to make a 50/50 guess and there is no evidence pointing either way. If you have to make ten 50/50 guesses in a difficult Minesweeper game, then you have a 0.1% chance of winning even if you do everything perfectly.

it's definately not .1%

Oh, I'm so sorry. 1/2^10 = 0.0976563%. Is that extra precision so much better? Or did you just misinterpret what I posted?

thought i saw five instead of ten. did u have something different before u edited?

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: spunkz
thought i saw five instead of ten. did u have something different before u edited?

Lets think it through.
[*]I posted at 8:15 pm, and edited at 8:15 pm on the same day.
[*]You posted at 4:30 pm the next day.
[*]...

I think I'll believe you. You saw my post in the <1 minute before I edited, then you waited one day to post since it was so incredulous that I edited my post.

 

[nineball9]

Originally posted by: jimbob200521
... a friends ex-girlfriend could play that game and never lose. i just got confused

When opening Minesweeper, type in xyzzy Enter (numeric keypad) Left shift. Look in the top left corner of your screen for a cheat pixel. Your friend's ex-girlfriend is obviously using this.

It works with WinXP too - I just tried for the first time with XP! I fooled many people using this cheat with Win98 (and maybe Win95 too)

edit: Other old-timers (which includes me) may remember the "xyzzy" code from the mainframe game "Adventure".

 

[jmmdmd]

Just played 2 games in a row where I was knocked out with legal moves. No other possible moves available and yet the game ended.

 

[Homerboy]

Necro'ing a 10 year old Minesweeper thread.
Can't make this shit up.

 

[Krazy4Real]

Just played 2 games in a row where I was knocked out with legal moves. No other possible moves available and yet the game ended.

I'm truly sorry for your lots

 

[zinfamous]

Just played 2 games in a row where I was knocked out with legal moves. No other possible moves available and yet the game ended.

I admire your spirit, but perhaps you should have posted your complaint in some Microsoft forum somewhere?

 

[IronWing]

Necro'ing a 10 year old Minesweeper thread.
Can't make this shit up.

They're still pulling WWII bombs out of the Rhine so we have a long way to go.

 

[Jembo]

i'm fairly certain that solitare can be impossible to solve if you play the 3 card variant

What about Freecell. Microsoft used to say that no one knows if every game is possible to finish. Why can't they just use one of their big computers to see if that's true?