Can only afford 1 game, Battlefield 3 or Modern Warefare 3?

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Stuxnet

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Neither, don't encourage the industry to put out the same crap year after year. COD is the Madden of shooters, but I'm sure BF3 won't be very original.

I just finished Resistance 3, now that was a refreshing FPS. But I'm sure your post is about what MP game to play and people tend to play the same ones over and over. Like McDonald's of gaming.

Quoted for BD2003 :biggrin:

(ps: agreed)
 

Arkaign

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Neither, don't encourage the industry to put out the same crap year after year. COD is the Madden of shooters, but I'm sure BF3 won't be very original.

I just finished Resistance 3, now that was a refreshing FPS. But I'm sure your post is about what MP game to play and people tend to play the same ones over and over. Like McDonald's of gaming.

Resistance 3 is a PS3 game. Not only that, but it's 16 player multiplayer, and as far as originality, it's just like any number of other fast paced FPS with a few modes and lots of twitch action.

BF3 is a massive game comparitively, even if it were just an updated version of BF2, which you could argue about either way. 64 players, battle commanders, tons of vehicles and real air support (teammates in the air helping with cover and transport), etc.

Arguing about originality in a FPS MP game is kind of moot imho. You can criticize the CoD series somewhat because they bring one out every_single_year with relatively minor changes, but BF really hasn't had that many full releases of the core games. The BC games were misguided imho attempts to appeal to people with less patience to learn larger/more complex games, but the real ones are :

BF1942 (the original, very old, impressive for the time)
BF Vietnam (a misstep, quickly abandoned, boo)
BF2 (epic, still played heavily to this day)
BF2142 (kind of iffy, some people liked it, but it seemed to be anoter miss in the end)

It's been years since 2142, and even longer since BF2. So they're definitely not running the same game into the ground.

Resistance 3 Multiplayer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru5xGVekOo0

UT3 Mulitplayer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X68Rec2UK3g&feature=related

BF3 Alpha Multiplayer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyy0BideDR8

etc, etc.

Nothing's original.
 

pontifex

Lifer
Dec 5, 2000
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What antics would those be, son? That was my only post in this thread and all I'm doing is correctly pointing out your tireless crusade. Your ridiculous attempts to pass your posts off as unbiased ("I'd say the same about blah blah blah") is disingenuous and total bullshit. Then you let the tears flow freely when someone levies an ad hominem attack toward you even though yours was the first stone cast.

Your tears of angst are delicious. Please continue.

lol, tears of angst. the only people that are crying are the people like you.
 

Malak

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Neither, don't encourage the industry to put out the same crap year after year. COD is the Madden of shooters, but I'm sure BF3 won't be very original.

I just finished Resistance 3, now that was a refreshing FPS. But I'm sure your post is about what MP game to play and people tend to play the same ones over and over. Like McDonald's of gaming.

Resistance is garbage compared to BF or CoD. You can stick to your philosophy all you want, but I'll happily by the madden of the genre if it means playing something better.
 
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Arguing about originality in a FPS MP game is kind of moot imho. You can criticize the CoD series somewhat because they bring one out every_single_year with relatively minor changes, but BF really hasn't had that many full releases of the core games. The BC games were misguided imho attempts to appeal to people with less patience to learn larger/more complex games, but the real ones are :

BF1942 (the original, very old, impressive for the time)
BF Vietnam (a misstep, quickly abandoned, boo)
BF2 (epic, still played heavily to this day)
BF2142 (kind of iffy, some people liked it, but it seemed to be anoter miss in the end)

It's been years since 2142, and even longer since BF2. So they're definitely not running the same game into the ground.
I don't want to sound like a CoD fanboy because I'm a huge fan of the BF series and frankly the last couple of CoD games have been pretty terrible. But it's not really fair to criticize the CoD guys for releasing every year and then ignoring the fact that the BF guys also release nearly every year. If we want to ignore the BC games then it's only fair we also pretend the Treyarch CoD games don't exist, which increases the average quality of the CoD series and also increases the time between releases.
 

MrX8503

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Oct 23, 2005
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I don't consider Bad Company a part of the BattleField series as Battlefield's home is on the PC whereas BC was made for consoles.

BF 2142 was more of a sequel than BC was and BF3 is a true sequel to the popular BF2. This is evident as BF3 for the console is 30fps 720p with 24(?) max multiplayers. BF3 is a true PC game, whereas BC was not.

MW3 uses an old engine with some gameplay updates. BF3 has gameplay updates along with an overhauled engine, possibly the most sophisticated engine to date for a shooter.
 

Arkaign

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I don't want to sound like a CoD fanboy because I'm a huge fan of the BF series and frankly the last couple of CoD games have been pretty terrible. But it's not really fair to criticize the CoD guys for releasing every year and then ignoring the fact that the BF guys also release nearly every year. If we want to ignore the BC games then it's only fair we also pretend the Treyarch CoD games don't exist, which increases the average quality of the CoD series and also increases the time between releases.

Agreed, my statement was kind of a generalized view on the situation where people seem to have a particular thing that irks them, and I was acknowledging it. I'm kind of 'meh' on the release schedule thing, I'm not sure if it's better to have lots of (imho) mediocre sequels, or to have to wait 6 years or more for a proper sequel (ie; BF2 to BF3, lol).
 

Arsinek

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BF fanboys are rabid.

That being said Im going to get BF3 before COD. I hope I dont get burned because BC2 was a turd.
 

gorcorps

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Jul 18, 2004
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I don't consider Bad Company a part of the BattleField series as Battlefield's home is on the PC whereas BC was made for consoles.

BF 2142 was more of a sequel than BC was and BF3 is a true sequel to the popular BF2. This is evident as BF3 for the console is 30fps 720p with 24(?) max multiplayers. BF3 is a true PC game, whereas BC was not.

MW3 uses an old engine with some gameplay updates. BF3 has gameplay updates along with an overhauled engine, possibly the most sophisticated engine to date for a shooter.

I hate this logic. It just gives BF fans a stupid excuse to discount the shitty part of the series.

"BF is the greatest series ever! Every one of them is great! blah blah"
"Well I didn't really care for BC"
"BC doesn't count! Nevermind it has the word "BATTLEFIELD" in the title and it's put out by the same people... it doesn't count!"

Just quit and admit it... the Battlefield series stagnated and had to copy somebody elses winning formula to get sales, and now they're trying to differentiate themselves. I hope they make it too because when BF2 wasn't crashing on me it was great. BC2 is incredibly overrated though and just doesn't even come close to the BF name. It still counts, but it wasn't that good.
 
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BF fanboys are rabid.

That being said Im going to get BF3 before COD. I hope I dont get burned because BC2 was a turd.
I agree with all of this except BC2 being a turd. I will never preorder a game and will wait for reviews (pro and user) for both, but will likely get both. Will take MW3 user reviews with a bucket of salt because, like you say, BF fans are rabid and will likely poison Metacritic with poor reviews for MW3.
 

Arkaign

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I hate this logic. It just gives BF fans a stupid excuse to discount the shitty part of the series.

"BF is the greatest series ever! Every one of them is great! blah blah"
"Well I didn't really care for BC"
"BC doesn't count! Nevermind it has the word "BATTLEFIELD" in the title and it's put out by the same people... it doesn't count!"

Just quit and admit it... the Battlefield series stagnated and had to copy somebody elses winning formula to get sales, and now they're trying to differentiate themselves. I hope they make it too because when BF2 wasn't crashing on me it was great. BC2 is incredibly overrated though and just doesn't even come close to the BF name. It still counts, but it wasn't that good.

Indeed someone making those kinds of statements above would really be an example of blind fanboyism.

I'd rate the BF games as follows (ratings for the time they were released obviously, as ancient FPS games don't really hold up all that well over the years).

BF1942 8/10. It really brought large-scale action like never before, was easy to pick up, and the big maps gave lots of strategic options. Maps like Wake Island are legendary for a reason.

BF Vietnam 5/5/10. It suffered from the boredom of flying / slogging through terrain that all looked the same, and from a lack of real advancement in graphics or sound.

BF2 9.5/10. One of the all-time greats, if you wanted a big game with lots of ways to play it, this was it. Graphics were excellent for the time, support was very good over the years with new maps and making previous add-ons freebies, about the only complaint is that it became a difficult thing to introduce new players to after a while due to the existing player base becoming extremely sophisticated.

BF2142 6/10. Seemed to muddle the ideas somewhat. It wasn't really any leap forward in graphics or scale, it just didn't feel like a BF game for some reason. Unsatisfying at best, a mess at worst.

BC2 7/10. I skipped BC1 on here because it was never released on PC. This marked the first serious attempt to make a single player campaign, and because of the focus on making the console and PC versions out of the same material, the scale was dramatically dialed back. It was nice to see a new graphics engine and some new ideas, but the thing felt claustrophobic to me, and a bit rough around certain edges.

So that leaves BF3, which for the most part looks like an absolutely massive graphical update on the last real core BF release, BF2. 2142 was kind of a weird spinoff (like I wouldn't call ET : Quake Wars a real Quake title), and the BC games were console-focused, one released solely for console. The new engine looks to impress, and it'll be nice to have enough room to play around with jets and vehicles and 64 players without everyone being in a tiny area. Should make for some amazing team play, as well as interesting solo runs for specific objectives or sabotage.

At the same time I think it's fair to seperate the CoD games somewhat between the WW2 themed stuff and the MW series. It's also important to note that on the console, apparently ALL of the BF games released there blew ass in many ways. So you end up with people with extreme mentalities on both sides.

PC FPS guys have largely had their fill of small-scale twitch shooters, and the MW series on PC has gone downhill since MW1, while the legend of BF2 still towers (many still play it to this day).

Console FPS guys have really started with the online version of Halo (Goldeneye kinda/sorta counts, but meh), which after a few sequels kind of dwindled to be replaced by Call of Duty. And that series didn't really take off until MW1. So it's not like most Xbox guys have already bought 25 CoD games, they've mostly played MW1, MW2, and Black Ops to some extent. That's not that many games, and it's still incredibly popular. The few console guys that played BF on console probably dismissed it as crap because those ports WERE crap.

So you get this weird divide, and a lot of stupid fanboy hostility because people don't want anyone else to have any other opinions.

Qualification of statements is important in offering viewpoints. I can say something like "I don't care for Call of Duty that much" and that is really all I need to say other than perhaps some of the reasons I've come to that viewpoint. I could also say something like "Call of Duty is a turd", and be rightly dismissed as a fanboy/troll.

ymmv
 

Arkaign

Lifer
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BF fanboys are rabid.

That being said Im going to get BF3 before COD. I hope I dont get burned because BC2 was a turd.

Both sides fanboys are insane to be honest. I prefer BF but can understand the other perspective as well.

PC gamers should probably go for BF3 unless they want more of a small/fast/twitch infantry shooter style.

Xbox / PS3 gamers should probably go CoD, because the track record for BF on console has been, well, ass.
 

MrX8503

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I hate this logic. It just gives BF fans a stupid excuse to discount the shitty part of the series.

"BF is the greatest series ever! Every one of them is great! blah blah"
"Well I didn't really care for BC"
"BC doesn't count! Nevermind it has the word "BATTLEFIELD" in the title and it's put out by the same people... it doesn't count!"

Just quit and admit it... the Battlefield series stagnated and had to copy somebody elses winning formula to get sales, and now they're trying to differentiate themselves. I hope they make it too because when BF2 wasn't crashing on me it was great. BC2 is incredibly overrated though and just doesn't even come close to the BF name. It still counts, but it wasn't that good.

Well, I don't mind if you disagree with my logic, but I still stand by my comment. Bad Company was originally made for the console (not PC), thus I don't consider it a sequel to the BF series. However BF 2142 could be considered the sequel or whatever have you of BF2.
 

pontifex

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Indeed someone making those kinds of statements above would really be an example of blind fanboyism.

and this is the kind of crap my posts are about. i don't care if you like one or the other, but don't sit there and say one is this or that when the other is the same damn thing.
 

KaOTiK

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I asked the same question with no answer. It must be a lie!

Make another origin account and make the birthday for 2 days from the current day. Wait for coupon for 25% off, use coupon on your real origin account and there you go. That's what I did like a month ago.
 

Spg1

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Make another origin account and make the birthday for 2 days from the current day. Wait for coupon for 25% off, use coupon on your real origin account and there you go. That's what I did like a month ago.

Thank you very much
 

Vdubchaos

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Not buying anymore COD games.

Reason: They still haven't topped COD/COD UO and have been revising that engine every since (it seems at least)

BF3, I might give a chance if reviews are good, but I'm not holding my breath EA managed to screw up Crysis 2 so I have low expectations (better that way).

Meanwhile I will stick to RO2
 

skipsneeky2

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Not buying anymore COD games.

Reason: They still haven't topped COD/COD UO and have been revising that engine every since (it seems at least)

BF3, I might give a chance if reviews are good, but I'm not holding my breath EA managed to screw up Crysis 2 so I have low expectations (better that way).

Meanwhile I will stick to RO2

Try and get into that BF3 asap and see what the story is if its any good.

Reviews to me are bs some people love certain games and others hate them.

I will agree about Crysis 2 and BC2 has came out with a recent patch that has given me enough issues to officially rage quit.

I think BF3 will be good if some maps can exclude jet gameplay cause that got overwhelming sometimes if your a ground troop in BF2 .
 

vrait

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Anyone who buys MW3 over BF3 is an idiot. If you can afford BF3 and want MW3 just buy BF3 + CoD4. Bam Now you have both.
 
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