Please cite specific examples of #bothsides being the problem.
No, it's over. Probably looking at balkinization in our lifetime. And that's a best case scenario.
FYI, those are generalities, not specifics.Both sides:
Beholden to special interests
Lack of independent thinking
Creating rigged and corrupt policies and election laws that favor them and stifle choice and competition
Lack of honesty and integrity
Permanent campaign
Blank check spending
Intrusive/oppressive laws
Short term focus
Oblivious to negative externalities and unintended consequences
... more, and more, and more
They do all of these things at the expense of the people and good government
It's pretty easy.FYI, those are generalities, not specifics.
Those are generalities. You have not cited a single specific example.Both sides:
Beholden to special interests
Lack of independent thinking
Creating rigged and corrupt policies and election laws that favor them and stifle choice and competition
Lack of honesty and integrity
Permanent campaign
Blank check spending
Intrusive/oppressive laws
Short term focus
Oblivious to negative externalities and unintended consequences
... more, and more, and more
They do all of these things at the expense of the people and good government
Says the supporters of the party that only cares about partisan politics and rule.It would take a lot to convince me the current GOP is capable of doing anything other than continue their march towards fascism, and consolidating power to that end.
Nah. People - especially as evidenced on this forum are FAR too tribal like pre-evolution monkeys.
Hurr hurrrr me guys gud. Those guys bad. Me no free think. Me think what tribe think.
Just look at this forum: any criticism of anything from the left ALWAYS 100% of the time ALWAYS results in a whataboutism to Trump. As if criticizing a left lawmaker is insinuating the other side is angels.
FYI, those are generalities, not specifics.
Totally agree.When the GOP's supposedly Law & Order President attempts a coup & they still support him, that's fucked up in the extreme. It's cult of personality bullshit.
It's pretty easy.
List the top 10 problems that this country faces. If it's hilariously inane bullshit like CRT, Covid Vaccines, Social Media "censorship", etc, then you're a Republican pretending to be an Independent and can be safely ignored.
If it's real, actual problems like climate change, healthcare, renewable energy, etc., then list 5 fucking Republicans who have any serious ideas to actually address any of those problems, besides just saying "tax cuts" and "deregulation". Hint: they don't fucking exist.
And if the Democrats solutions are "too extreme", because the problems aren't that bad, well guess what, that's the whole god damn point of US Government being tied in knots and unable to "do things", because hey, fuck it, the problems aren't that bad, it's better that nothing gets done.
In other words, The FUCKING DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS THE BIG TENT PARTY ALREADY. You have Manchin and Sinema and Ocasio-Cortez. That's the full fucking gamut of "identifies problems and puts forward solutions" right there. The Republican Party only gives a fuck about tax cuts for the rich and scaring their base into believing wildly hilarious delusions that their propaganda networks push out over TV, Radio, and Internet. i.e. COVID vaccines are for a hoax disease that is also a Chinese Superweapon or whatever nonsense they can believe and disbelieve at will because that's how they've been trained to believe for going on 40 years now.
RadicalIndependent™ is here to push one agenda: BothSidesDoIt™. The BigLie that allows the Republican Party to continue skullfucking this country to death for a few oligarchs' couch cushion change.
Hahah, yep. When a moderate independent gets lashed, you know the thought-police are kicking their boots high! Toe the line! This is the thoughtful, reasonable left? Yeah... hard pass. And they wonder why people get turned off by this stuff? I think this thread is making my point fairly well...
What you’re showing here is that you’re part of the problem because you’re enabling the GOP.Both sides:
Beholden to special interests
Lack of independent thinking
Creating rigged and corrupt policies and election laws that favor them and stifle choice and competition
Lack of honesty and integrity
Permanent campaign
Blank check spending
Intrusive/oppressive laws
Short term focus
Oblivious to negative externalities and unintended consequences
... more, and more, and more
They do all of these things at the expense of the people and good government
What you’re showing here is that you’re part of the problem because you’re enabling the GOP.
While the Democrats aren’t perfect they are essentially a mainstream governing party in the mold of liberal parties in the western world. The GOP is a radical right party that is currently going down the path of Fidesz in Hungary or the ruling party in Poland.
By saying both parties are the problem you ensure the GOP pays no price for undermining democracy. You are part of their playbook.
It definitely isn’t killing this country so no, I won’t be doing that. What is killing this country in a political sense is this very simple quote from David Frum: ‘if conservatives determine they cannot accomplish their goals democratically they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy.’Bullshit, don't put that on me. Lesser evil voting is killing this country. Say that out loud 1000 times.
Name the top 10 problems that this country faces, and the solutions you think that reasonable politicians should agree on.I think you've remarkably demonstrated why Left partisans are just as unreasonable, tribal, and simplistic. You've already assigned me into some fantasy category, and it's pretty clear you're entire worldview consists of the same rainbows and unicorns. As I mentioned earlier, try not to be so surface level with talking point distractions and look at the big picture. If you remain a concrete-bound thinker, you'll always be played.
It definitely isn’t killing this country so no, I won’t be doing that. What is killing this country in a political sense is this very simple quote from David Frum: ‘if conservatives determine they cannot accomplish their goals democratically they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy.’
That’s what’s happening right now. To clarify this in your mind ask yourself this question: if Democrats control the House in January 2025 and the Republicans win an election as close as 2020 will Democrats seat that president? The answer is certainly yes. Now ask yourself the same question if the situation is reversed. Are you similarly certain?
It’s telling that you have not cited specific examples.I would argue it is. We're going down a bad path and it'll only get worse because people like you will bully and guilt others into voting for crap because the other crap is worse. That's really what we've come to? I call that a broken system. I'm over it, a pox on both on them, let it burn if people don't want to wake up and show a molecule of reason, integrity, and sincerity.
Well I don’t even agree we are voting for crap, so there’s that. Regardless, this is how our system has worked for centuries and things mostly turned out fine so we have only ‘come to this’ in the sense that we came to it in 1789.I would argue it is. We're going down a bad path and it'll only get worse because people like you will bully and guilt others into voting for crap because the other crap is worse. That's really what we've come to?
This is an opinion from a position of entitlement. You might not care if the system burns down but there are a lot of poor and marginalized people in the country that don’t have that luxury.I call that a broken system. I'm over it, a pox on both on them, let it burn if people don't want to wake up and show a molecule of reason, integrity, and sincerity.
Well I don’t even agree we are voting for crap, so there’s that. Regardless, this is how our system has worked for centuries and things mostly turned out fine so we have only ‘come to this’ in the sense that we came to it in 1789.
This is an opinion from a position of entitlement. You might not care if the system burns down but there are a lot of poor and marginalized people in the country that don’t have that luxury.
People often don’t realize what they have until it’s gone and I would suggest to you that no matter how much you dislike the current state of things it can certainly get far, far worse.
What are they extreme on, specifically?Yes... I believe the Dems are crap-lite. They have been pushed into extremes and we can do so much better.
Well it really all depends on how the system burns. To me the most likely answer is a collapse into presidential autocracy like in Hungary, not some sort of The Road situation. In that case it is absolutely the marginalized that have the most to lose. I hope you take a moment to think if they are as excited for this to go down as you apparently are.As far as entitlement, I think you have it backwards. If the system burns it's the "haves" that have the most to lose.
Where have I demanded that you vote for anything?Besides, it's you're arrogant demands that people vote against their values and instincts that's the epitome of entitlement.
Name the top 10 problems that this country faces, and the solutions you think that reasonable politicians should agree on.
I'll wait here, RadicalIndependent™.