so the jewish gods are more powerful?
also, which city is supposed to be marched on by a 1,000,000 man army only to bring about the apocolypse?
See what happens when you declare war on your neighbor based on false promises.
Apocalypse is simply the name of a large valley in the ancient world, where many, many, many battles were fought between various nations and states. "Revelations" hasn't shit to do with the end of the world, it is simply the work of a politically-motivated hermit waxing poetically about his hatred of the growing power of the Persian kings (the 7 headed dragon).
There was no battle to bring about the end of the world; simply a description that people will be fighting in this space until the end of time, just as they have since the beginning of time. Nothing more, nothing less.
1. The area was controlled by the British, much like India, South Africa, and Canada were at one time. Arabs were the people living on that land.
Taking sides in wars by people that told the Palestinians that they would get everything.We've been over this I think.
I don't know what you mean by false promises, Israel was created despite the Palestinians living there and because the big 5 pushed it though over the objections of many colonized countries which did not yet have independence.
Taking sides in wars by people that told the Palestinians that they would get everything.
Palestinians sided with the losers in an attempt to get it all.
1. The area was controlled by the British, much like India, South Africa, and Canada were at one time. Arabs were the people living on that land.
2. The state of Israel was created, and control was handed over to the Jews. Many Arabs were kicked off the land.
3. Surrounding Arab countries attacked Israel so Arabs could go back to their homes.
4. Israel and its allies won that war and all of the following wars.
5. Arab countries do not officially recognize Israel as a country because it's basically a piece of land that was stolen, similar to how Germans controlled the French territory of Alsace-Lorraine between the Franco-Prussian war and WW1.
6. In response to Arabs not recognizing Israel as a state, Israel and the US refuse to allow the creation of Palestine, a new Arab state.
Think of it like if China occupied California, and they changed the name of California to Chinrael. The Californians living in California would be kick out, and they would move to the nearby states like Nevada. A bunch of Chinese would move to Chinrael, and the UN would accept Chinrael as a new country. The surrounding states of Nevada and New Mexico would attack Chinrael to kick the Chinese out, but Chinrael successfully defends the land because they are backed by the huge army of China. Since military action failed, the ejected Californians would resort to terrorism and doing things like suicide-bombing buses in Chinrael. In retaliation to the Californian suicide bombers, Chinrael would launch military retaliation attacks against settlements of Californians living along the Nevada-California border.
The obvious solution to the problem of Chinrael would be to abolish the state and have the Chinese go back to China, but anyone speaking out against Chinrael is called a racist.
Which war are you talking about? The 1947 war which pushed the borders out to the green line of 1967? Or do you mean Israel also 'owns' the occupied territories of Gaza+West Bank?
In any case, Israel did not win over Palestinian land after winning a war. It would be like the US 'owning' Iraq after defeating it in the 2003 invasion.
It's important to remember that the Palestinians were offered independence and turned it down.
There was to be an independent Jewish state an independent Palestinian state and a UN controlled Bethlehem and Jerusalem.
The Palestinians were hoping to get the whole pie though and combined with the armies of the Arab world attacked Israel.
They lost. Thus the beginning of today's problems as you know it. There's way more to it though.
Seriously just read a book.
Palestinians teamed up with the Arabs and lost control of the land that the Arab nations were entrusted to oversee.
For the next 20 years; the Palestinians continued to have fantasies about removing the Jews from Israel - with the assistance in spirit/supplies by the other Arab nations.
Comes '67 the Arabs thought they had the balls to take on Israel again with the help of the Palestinians and mis-information by the Soviets
Arabs again got their asses handed to them and Israel in defeating the Palestinians and the Arab nations again increased the territory under her control.
Note this was territory that the Arab nations were supposed to handle with care until the Palestinians were determined ready for statehood.
Instead they gambled and lost it to Israel. Jordan tried to be fancy and hand their chunk of which they had no legal title, back to the Palestinians even though Israel was in control.
Egypt did not even care about Gaza.
From '48 until '67, both Egypt and Jordan had conquered Gaza and the West Bank; but no one really complained. Arabs conquering Arabs? No one tried to get the Palestinians their own country while the Arabs were in control.
Land that was not a nation (Arabs did not want it to be because it was felt to legitimize Israel); conquered by three nations (Egypt and Jordan initially, then Israel in the process of defending herself) and under control of one by the defeat of the original conquerors.
Neither Jordan nor Egypt who lost control of the land want those areas back.
Israel is not going to release control of that land until she is secure that there will not be any repeat of promises then attacks as has happened multiple times before by both the Arabs and the Palestinians.
Every missile launched against her proves her viewpoint. The Palestinians do not want peace.
Apocalypse is simply the name of a large valley in the ancient world, where many, many, many battles were fought between various nations and states. "Revelations" hasn't shit to do with the end of the world, it is simply the work of a politically-motivated hermit waxing poetically about his hatred of the growing power of the Persian kings (the 7 headed dragon).
There was no battle to bring about the end of the world; simply a description that people will be fighting in this space until the end of time, just as they have since the beginning of time. Nothing more, nothing less.
It'd be kind of silly, if Israel released control of lands needed for their health and well-being, to Muslim Invaders.
-John
You should dig much further into the involvement of the British in creating the Jewish state after the war, as well as the land acquisitions that grew the state of Israel into what it is today. The religious significance of Jerusalem to both Muslims and Jews is obviously a big factor as well. Your current synopsis is wholly inadequate if you wish to pass.
How did the Jews get the Holy Land in the 1st place? thought they lost it to the muslims during the Crusades?
legend has it that jews were kicked out of the holy land by the romans in 70 CE. there were still some hanging around when islam came about and many of them converted (apparently there's genetic evidence that many of the muslims in the area are descended from the jews that lived in the area). iirc, the arabs didn't kick the jews out of the region. and may have welcomed some when isabella was busy kicked jews out of iberia.
anyway, fast forward until the 1800s and many pogroms in europe later, and european jews were looking for a land to be their own, and latched onto the holy land. so jews started emigrating from europe to the holy land. i've read some accounts that there weren't many arabs in the region at the time (the land isn't particularly good for agriculture without modern irrigation, afaik).
so starting about a century ago you had a growing euro-jewish population in the holy land, which after WWI came under british rule after the osmanli empire collapsed. more and more euro jews continued to move to the holy land during the first half of the 20th century due to events in europe (holocaust, russian purges, etc). there was growing jewish - muslim violence during this time period, strikes, riots, etc.
anyway, the british mandate expired in 1948, the jews declared their own state, neighboring arab states invaded, the jews defeated them and took territory, and no one has been satisfied since.