Can someone debunk this UFO pos

[cytg111]

I guess most have seen this by now...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Dp1FzKods

Unknown compound? How high on crack are we talking about? Alpha Centauri high?

this guy

https://usm.maine.edu/publicaffairs...york-times-veteran-ralph-blumenthal-speak-usm

Doesnt read out as a crackpot.

 

[Thebobo]

I guess most have seen this by now...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Dp1FzKods

Unknown compound? How high on crack are we talking about? Alpha Centauri high?

this guy

https://usm.maine.edu/publicaffairs...york-times-veteran-ralph-blumenthal-speak-usm

Doesnt read out as a crackpot.

Yes and it is compelling. They are pilots are USAF pilots I don't know why some press and people are treating them as wack jobs. You can clearly see what they saw.

So what are they?

Unidentified - Yes
Flying - Yes
Object - Yes

So call them UFOs, that's what they are.

 

[cytg111]

Yes and it is compelling. They are pilots are USAF pilots I don't know why the some press and people are treating them as wack jobs. You can clearly see what they saw.

So what are they?

Unidentified - Yes
Flying - Yes
Object - Yes

So call them UFO, thats what they are.

I guess the video can be doctored or flukes or any number of things... to blow all doubt out of the water they should just disclose some more stuff on the 'compound'.. and the fact that we havent...
Damn if this is a lead up to a 'we are not alone moment' it would happen under Trump...

 

[Ichinisan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Dp1FzKods

"...researching the possible existence of UFOs"

Dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Of course they exist. Sometimes, they are later identified and cease to be "unidentified." Some have not been identified. The program was to research and identify them.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I guess the video can be doctored or flukes or any number of things... to blow all doubt out of the water they should just disclose some more stuff on the 'compound'.. and the fact that we havent...
Damn if this is a lead up to a 'we are not alone moment' it would happen under Trump...

I already called it. This would be the moment when aliens show up with Trump in the Whitehouse and declare there's "No intelligent life here."

 

[FIVR]

It's probably this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC97wdQOmfI

 

[KeithP]

Here you go…(and yes, the Times story is crap)
https://www.flyingmag.com/five-reasons-to-be-skeptical-about-that-new-york-times-ufo-story

-KeithP

 

[deustroop]

If there is a landing on earth , they better not do it on Saturday night when the Leafs are playing Boston, cause no one here will notice or care.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It's not illogical for the US Govt to have a 'identify weird objects in the sky' program, since that's often how new developments by other countries are discovered. Most people with enough brain cells to rub together would conclude that an object doesn't have to be from space with little green men in it to constitute a 'UFO'.

 

[Thebobo]

Neil deGrasse Tyson talks about this. I don't necessarily agree with him but interesting talk. Sorry for early cut.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10157716898661509

 

[Fardringle]

By definition, a UFO is an Unidentified Flying Object, which simply means something was flying in the air and the person/people who saw it don't know what it was. That happens quite often when experimental (or unregistered) aircraft are being used. It even happens a lot when someone sees a perfectly normal airplane, helicopter, or balloon, and just don't recognize it as such. The problem is when some people automatically assume/guarantee that any unidentified aircraft simply MUST be extraterrestrial..

 

[DigDog]

Ichi = voice of reason.

just because every report ever made is bogus does not mean that there is no intelligent life elsewhere. the possibility that they occasionally visit us is also higher than zero.

still, i wouldn't get too excited. i cannot watch this video now as i'm at work but will do later.

 

[SMOGZINN]

the possibility that they occasionally visit us is also higher than zero.

But not much higher. The fact is it looks a whole lot like FTL travel is either not possible or not practical. There are still a few outside possibilities for FTL travel, but even those take the sort of energy reserved to neutron stars slamming together. Not the sort of thing any civilization is ever going to be able to harness on a regular basis.

 

[Captante]

In my opinion a small number of UFO's may well be aliens ... the vast majority are swamp-gas etc.

 

[tortoise]

Somewhat related . . .

Las Vegas reporter George Knapp interview with retired US Senator Harry Reid . . link.

 

[DigDog]

i agree, i just wanted to take the contrarian attitude for once.

FTL travel cannot exist, if it could, then light would travel at *that* speed. But, there *could* be means of going from being in one place, to being in another place, without needing to traverse the spacetime between these two places. Again, nothing that our science has suggested, at this time, but hey, you never know.

 

[Fardringle]

i agree, i just wanted to take the contrarian attitude for once.

FTL travel cannot exist, if it could, then light would travel at *that* speed. But, there *could* be means of going from being in one place, to being in another place, without needing to traverse the spacetime between these two places. Again, nothing that our science has suggested, at this time, but hey, you never know.

Tesseract!

 

[monkeydelmagico]

Alien space drones. Doesn't have to be FTL or even close. Just takes time.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Alien space drones. Doesn't have to be FTL or even close. Just takes time.

Even then the sort of technology required to make a machine that can operate for hundreds or thousands of years to get to it's destination is unlikely. Then, if it is still operational when it gets there, it will be another hundreds or thousands of years before you get any data back. It is hard to imagine that any civilization would find the effort worth it.

So far we have not been overran by a wave of Van Neumann machines. It is the same problem as the Fermi paradox.

 

[DigDog]

Alien space drones. Doesn't have to be FTL or even close. Just takes time.

sigh .. no.

i will explain why.

there is an abstract concept of maximum expansion due to, to make it simple, "reality".

imagine you need to go to a single point in space, very far away; you build a colony ship and send it there. it will take an enormous amount of time, generations, but eventually it will get there.

the ship travels to its destination, but after a non-descript amount of years, another ship pulls up to its side: it's a ship you also built, years later. but due to the increase in technology, it travels faster.

after another few year yet another ship arrives, it also left later but caught up due to the faster speed.

this keeps repeating, until technological development at the source halts.

in practice, there's distances, that are so far, that you get there sooner by *not* going, rather than by going.
it's not viable for anything that has mass and must also travel through spacetime to go anywhere outside of a single star system.

now, if the intelligence that decided this exploration was going to happen, is not organic, then sure. artificial lifeforms might have an unlimited lifespan, so 5000 years of space travel could be totally reasonable. but to animals, it's not. even if the drone is autonomous, there's no point to send a drone if the culture that sent it is unrecognizable by the time it arrived.

Again, we would need to assume that this is a lifeform that has reached a point of development where no more discoveries seem possible.

This leads me to speculate that higher-technology cultures develop internally, rather than externally. Rather than going to the asteroid belt to mine precious stuff, we would just generate it here.

 

[Ventanni]

While most UFO sightings are just man-made aircraft of some sort, my hypothesis is that true UFO objects are actually demonic and not alien. That doesn't mean that aliens don't exist, I just think (hypothesize) that what we're seeing here on Earth is actually from Earth, and not some planet multiple light years away. I used to be very fascinated with UFOs, not to the brink of getting into weird stuff, but just genuinely curious about what their potential technology could be made of. What I eventually discovered was that a lot of UFO stuff is pretty well baked in the occult, paranoia, and fear; perfect for the demonic realm to thrive on. I also realized that most people who tell stories of being taken aboard a UFO spacecraft have a particular way of telling their story to cover the fact that they're just making it up as they go along. Additionally, most of the technology described by people supposedly aboard these spacecraft was pretty similar to what was available at the time, which leads me to hypothesize that either they were just making it up for attention, or were just being hardcore messed with, which is what demons do.

I'm a man after the heart of my Heavenly Father, but I'm also a man of science, logic, and reason. Everything that I see UFO related reeks of demonic influence. The way they move through the atmosphere, the stories people tell, the fear and paranoia they cause, the way people mysteriously die, their stories of denying Christ. I mean, we hear stories of angels showing up and saving peoples lives, but you never hear of UFOs doing anything positive.

But anyways, that's my hypothesis.

 

[DigDog]

see, the thing is, we do not know if science stops, or goes on. at this time, we don't genuinely know if there a way to interact with anything outside of our reality. We understand that reality is complex, and that we exist in a portion of it, but we do not know if we will ever be able to breach through to other parts of it, and science has no indication if any of that will be possible.

option 1 is NO: we need to travel using rockets, carrying fuel, and that's it. even unlimited energy will not allow us to travel anywhere near the speed of light. Space exploration will never be a thing, as distances will require so much time, we will will cease to be the same consciousness that started the process.

what to do: we need to ascend to a different life form.

option 2 is YES: teleportation, FTL travel, migrating between realities, altering the universe are all possible if we can use reality as a mechanism. infinite energy is very likely to be a reality.

what to do: we do not know. at this level, only imagination can say.

 

[DigDog]

While most UFO sightings are just man-made aircraft of some sort, my hypothesis is that true UFO objects are actually demonic and not alien.

But anyways, that's my hypothesis.

joke post or real post?

 

[SMOGZINN]

but I'm also a man of science, logic, and reason.

You can't say you are a man of science, logic, and reason and then say 'but magic!'

 

[Thebobo]

sigh .. no.

i will explain why.

there is an abstract concept of maximum expansion due to, to make it simple, "reality".

imagine you need to go to a single point in space, very far away; you build a colony ship and send it there. it will take an enormous amount of time, generations, but eventually it will get there.

the ship travels to its destination, but after a non-descript amount of years, another ship pulls up to its side: it's a ship you also built, years later. but due to the increase in technology, it travels faster.

after another few year yet another ship arrives, it also left later but caught up due to the faster speed.

this keeps repeating, until technological development at the source halts.

in practice, there's distances, that are so far, that you get there sooner by *not* going, rather than by going.
it's not viable for anything that has mass and must also travel through spacetime to go anywhere outside of a single star system.

now, if the intelligence that decided this exploration was going to happen, is not organic, then sure. artificial lifeforms might have an unlimited lifespan, so 5000 years of space travel could be totally reasonable. but to animals, it's not. even if the drone is autonomous, there's no point to send a drone if the culture that sent it is unrecognizable by the time it arrived.

Again, we would need to assume that this is a lifeform that has reached a point of development where no more discoveries seem possible.

This leads me to speculate that higher-technology cultures develop internally, rather than externally. Rather than going to the asteroid belt to mine precious stuff, we would just generate it here.

You are assuming a single non parallel universe.