Can someone explain the weed thing to me please?

[GobBluth]

Sorry if re-post. I've been gone for a while.

In the wake of California's legalization of Cannabis, how are the feds just letting this go? It's still federally illegal, it's still a scheduled substance according to the DEA so, what gives?

 

[amdhunter]

You must be high on weed yourself to ask this.

 

[mindless1]

What gives is the individual states are showing they feel they should determine this and the DEA simply doesn't have the manpower to crack down on several states with thousands of violators. Maybe they're relieved that they have one less drug to combat.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

I'm more curious as to the employer aspect of such. For instance, my employer (operating in most states) would never allow such an item for consumption by an employee. But what happens if an employee uses it in a state where it is legal but then the employer tests them? I'd imagine the employer would have to treat it like alcohol in states where it is legal, and as the feds classify it elsewhere. I had this discussion with a friend (he works for a small company and I for a very LARGE company) who smokes--I do not. Will we see an enforceable employer-driven policing of said consumption? Would it be legal?

 

[Cuular]

Depends on the type of work, and whether it's a private company or publicly owned one.

In CA it is still illegal to drive, operate heavy machinery and any other kind of job that you could put someones life in jeopardy. So if you work at a job that is determined to have the possibility of affecting someone because you were high, you are still going to get tested, and lose your job.

Private companies can still fire you for coming to work under the influence, so most of them will treat weed like they do alcohol, and under the influence has the chance of getting you fired.

Working for a federal entity like FFRDC will also get you fired, since they are funded by Big Government, and it's illegal to them to smoke up.

 

[BoomerD]

I'm more curious as to the employer aspect of such. For instance, my employer (operating in most states) would never allow such an item for consumption by an employee. But what happens if an employee uses it in a state where it is legal but then the employer tests them? I'd imagine the employer would have to treat it like alcohol in states where it is legal, and as the feds classify it elsewhere. I had this discussion with a friend (he works for a small company and I for a very LARGE company) who smokes--I do not. Will we see an enforceable employer-driven policing of said consumption? Would it be legal?

Pot may be legal under state law, but employers are still free to test for it...and fire those who test positive.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-drug-testing-marijuana-20161206-story,amp.html

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Weed good, opiates bad m'kay? I just wish they'd end the war on drugs. Ain't nobody can afford that.

 

[Mayne]

weed is better than alcohol. I'm not a functioning pothead myself, I wait for the end of the day before partaking. I don't think weed has killed anyone yet?

 

[Ns1]

I learned earlier this week that smoking marijuana in a state with legal marijuana and legal gun ownership are mutually exclusive.

 

[skull]

I learned earlier this week that smoking marijuana in a state with legal marijuana and legal gun ownership are mutually exclusive.

Just like alcohol, being intoxicated around firearms is illegal at least here I'm assuming everywhere. I've been trying to convince my buddy in a state where weed is what amounts to a speeding ticket. That if hes caught with the weed and a gun he could be charged with a felony. Even when I showed him proof he blows me off saying no cop will enforce it.

 

[nakedfrog]

Just like alcohol, being intoxicated around firearms is illegal at least here I'm assuming everywhere. I've been trying to convince my buddy in a state where weed is what amounts to a speeding ticket. That if hes caught with the weed and a gun he could be charged with a felony. Even when I showed him proof he blows me off saying no cop will enforce it.

I don't think I'd gamble on those odds personally, but hey, whatever floats his dinghy.

 

[skull]

I don't think I'd gamble on those odds personally, but hey, whatever floats his dinghy.

You and me both, I'm guessing a lot of cops would be more lenient on the alcohol/gun combo vs. the weed/gun combo.

 

[Smoblikat]

Sorry if re-post. I've been gone for a while.

In the wake of California's legalization of Cannabis, how are the feds just letting this go? It's still federally illegal, it's still a scheduled substance according to the DEA so, what gives?

I would hope they realize our resources are put to better use fighting real issues. The more likely answer is theyre too incompetent to do anything about it :/

 

[Ns1]

You and me both, I'm guessing a lot of cops would be more lenient on the alcohol/gun combo vs. the weed/gun combo.

This seems strange given history.

 

[skull]

This seems strange given history.

I never said cops were the brightest.

 

[Jon-T]

I learned earlier this week that smoking marijuana in a state with legal marijuana and legal gun ownership are mutually exclusive.

It has been several years since I filled out the federal form to purchase a firearm, however, one of the questions I remember was "are you a habitual user of marijuana". Is it still like that? Perhaps they do make a distinction between habitual user and dabbler?

 

[Markfw]

The only thing I can think of thats really positive, is that now its taxed when sold, and with as much as is sold the income is a good boost to the states treasury.

 

[Six]

Feds are still busting through the doors and confiscating weed and money, if they suspect you have a bunch of money. They just aren't arresting people.

 

[bradly1101]

They know if they "unschedule" marijuana, it's an admission of being wrong, and plenty would probably more readily take it up (I don't think they want that-below, so much boils down to $).

Alcohol and pharmaceutical companies have long opposed legalization, and have powerful lobbies.

https://www.leafly.com/news/politic...s-lobbying-against-cannabis-legalization-will

The damn thing is that it's just a plant. Natural medication and mind altering. A boon to some, and to others the enemy.

 

[Kwatt]

It has been several years since I filled out the federal form to purchase a firearm, however, one of the questions I remember was "are you a habitual user of marijuana". Is it still like that? Perhaps they do make a distinction between habitual user and dabbler?

Original 4473 ( Pre Jan. 16, 2017)
“Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?”

Added to revised Form 4473 in effect since Jan. 16, 2017.
“Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.”



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[renz20003]

TL DR summary

Drugs are bad, m'kay.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

TL DR summary

Drugs are bad, m'kay.

Drugs and meanness are the only things that keep me going.

 

[mindless1]

weed is better than alcohol. I'm not a functioning pothead myself, I wait for the end of the day before partaking. I don't think weed has killed anyone yet?

Depends on the situation. I know people who will use either as a crutch but the pot costs them a lot more and puts them into a shady lifestyle dealing with shady people. Gang bangers don't do drive by shootings over alcohol, and casual drinkers aren't as often exposed to harder gateway drugs.

It's easy to say just don't do harder drugs, but I can understand kids bowing to peer pressure, or getting their first taste of heroin because it was laced in a joint. Heck, getting a whole bag of wonderpot and not even knowing what was in it... but they want more.

 

[skull]

Depends on the situation. I know people who will use either as a crutch but the pot costs them a lot more and puts them into a shady lifestyle dealing with shady people. Gang bangers don't do drive by shootings over alcohol, and casual drinkers aren't as often exposed to harder gateway drugs.

It's easy to say just don't do harder drugs, but I can understand kids bowing to peer pressure, or getting their first taste of heroin because it was laced in a joint. Heck, getting a whole bag of wonderpot and not even knowing what was in it... but they want more.

Once again your true to your username. The worst thing about pot these days is all the chemicals. The stuff coming from Colorado and such is so much better than the good stuff I got in high school. Its not laced with drugs they just know how to grow it now. They use a shit ton of fertilizers, pesticides, weed killers, rodent killers, etc. No telling what harm the new stuff will cause.

 

[GobBluth]

A friend of mine told me Congress put a DOJ policy in place to prevent prosecution, or spending federal money on it at least, which Trump is trying to rescind. Not sure if that is true or not, but it would make sense as to why the boys in black wind breakers don't walk into any Colorado/California dispensary and confiscate every ounce of weed in the joint.

Either way it doesn't make sense. Federal law > State law and that drug carries some harsh penalties. You won't find me on the pier doing bong rips with my wait staff at PF Changs.

As for the employers, it's always been the same. Sure, you can work here, but you can't smoke weed and work here and if I test you and you're positive, you're going to be fired. Sound good? No? Okay, fine, don't work here.