Can someone explain why kneeling during the National Anthem is disrespectful to the troops?

[emperus]

I guess I don't really understand this debate. What is the correlation between the national anthem and our troops? I'm asking seriously.

 

[Commodus]

I guess I don't really understand this debate. What is the correlation between the national anthem and our troops? I'm asking seriously.

It's based on a distortion of what patriotism is supposed to mean, really.

The argument goes that kneeling during the anthem is disrespecting the values embodied in that anthem, much as burning the flag is somehow a serious offense rather than a symbolic act. It's all about the show of patriotism in this argument, not the actual values that are supposed to follow it.

Of course, that's the public reasoning. The subtext is that these are conservatives objecting to any hard-to-avoid criticism of their values, especially when it comes from black people highlighting abuses of power. See also: the outrage at the Black Power salute offered as a human rights protest during the 1968 Olympics.

Incidentally, the irony is that US flag code suggests many 'safe' uses of American symbolism are actually very disrespectful to the flag and the nation's values. You know what isn't deemed disrespectful in that code? Kneeling.

 

[brycejones]

Troops fought and died for freedom. Not to force people to stand during a song if they happened to be at a stadium.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Because the flag somehow now only represents those who have fought under it as opposed to the ideals of the country they fought and died to preserve.

'Murica!

 

[KMFJD]

the amount of people burning nfl jersey's is amusing

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/09/25/angry-steelers-fans-burn-gear-over-national-anthem

 

[realibrad]

Protesting is freedom of speech, and its one of the most American things you can do. Sadly both the Left and the Right have forgotten that Freedom of Speech is American.

 

[dainthomas]

the amount of people burning nfl jersey's is amusing

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/09/25/angry-steelers-fans-burn-gear-over-national-anthem

Jerseys they paid the NFL for. Dummies.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I'm going to continue my protest by not attending any NFL games. Besides they cost too much for a poor guy like me and I couldn't give a flying fart in a wheat basket about what they do at them.

 

[soulcougher73]

Patriotism is earned. Not demanded. You want to be like the Soviet Union? I didnt think so.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Patriotism is earned. Not demanded. You want to be like the Soviet Union? I didnt think so.

I was thinking along the lines of the NK's state sponsored fake morning when daddy Kim passed away.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I don't see many degrees of difference between kneeling while our anthem is played, wearing a Castro T-shirt, wearing a nazi armband, wearing a Mao Zedong hat or an Uncle Ho neckerchief. They are all forms of political protest and are all forms of insult to one group of people or another.

 

[nickqt]

Stupid people are unable to understand that the flag/some song is just a colored piece of cloth/a song that represents the freedoms enshrined in the Constitution, and instead think that, for some strange reason, people go out and die for a piece of colored cloth/a song.

Because they're stupid people.

 

[repoman0]

I don't see many degrees of difference between kneeling while our anthem is played, wearing a Castro T-shirt, wearing a nazi armband, wearing a Mao Zedong hat or an Uncle Ho neckerchief. They are all forms of political protest and are all forms of insult to one group of people or another.

That's because you're a fucking dunce. Go ahead, put on the pointy hat and red nose and sit in the corner. Yep, no difference between outwardly supporting totalitarian and murderous regimes and peacefully protesting police brutality and murder by kneeling. Are these seriously the talking points they are distributing to the dumbshit tier conservative bots these days?

"It's all the same, it can be described by *insert broad all-encompassing noun here*. Don't bother thinking any further about it! We've done that for you!"

 

[J.Wilkins]

I guess I don't really understand this debate. What is the correlation between the national anthem and our troops? I'm asking seriously.

It's not, their right to individual rights is what liberal democracy protects.

Some people, like the House of Saud, Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump or any part of the patriotic Americana doesn't get that at all though.

Kinda sad until you realize that these are not actual people. The IQ limit for humans is one that they couldn't pass any day of the week.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I don't see many degrees of difference between kneeling while our anthem is played, wearing a Castro T-shirt, wearing a nazi armband, wearing a Mao Zedong hat or an Uncle Ho neckerchief. They are all forms of political protest and are all forms of insult to one group of people or another.

That's simply due to your ignorance waterboy.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I don't see many degrees of difference between kneeling while our anthem is played, wearing a Castro T-shirt, wearing a nazi armband, wearing a Mao Zedong hat or an Uncle Ho neckerchief. They are all forms of political protest and are all forms of insult to one group of people or another.

Well of course you don't, you are not actually human.

Your intelligence is left out of your skull and you have become a person that don't know the difference between individual freedoms and Nazism, this is EXACTLY what you just stated so it's not me insulting you, it's you explaining just how fucking stupid you are.

 

[MrPickins]

I don't see many degrees of difference between kneeling while our anthem is played, wearing a Castro T-shirt, wearing a nazi armband, wearing a Mao Zedong hat or an Uncle Ho neckerchief. They are all forms of political protest and are all forms of insult to one group of people or another.

Has anyone mentioned yet that you're an idiot?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Has anyone mentioned yet that you're an idiot?

Yes. He thinks it's a compliment.

 

[sactoking]

IMO it's not and when I'm not on my phone I may take the time to write up a detailed explanation of why I feel that way and why I think others disagree with me.

 

[Starbuck1975]

There was a time when on the field of battle, soldiers would literally die to maintain control of or lift the colors. The coffins of American KIAs come back draped in the American flag. The families of those killed in combat receive an American flag. The American flag is a prominent part of military drill and ceremonies. Most of you will never understand the pride of entering into a remote village of some god forsaken place, and witnessing people seeing the American flag as a symbol of hope.

Right or wrong, the national anthem at sporting events is inexplicably entwined in that symbolism. This is why at many sporting venues, a military honor guard is part of the singing of the national anthem. Most sports teams incorporate fly overs of military aircraft. You cannot deny that patriotism, the military and sporting events have a complex relationship.

So yes, for veterans, the flag is something to respect and honor. This doesn't mean you can't protest Trump or police violence or racism. Just don't sh!t on a symbol we hold dear.

This is why Alejandro Villaneuva's jersey is the top seller today.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Did I forget to post an Antifa mask in my list ? Sorry.

 

[dainthomas]

So yes, for veterans, the flag is something to respect and honor. This doesn't mean you can't protest Trump or police violence or racism. Just don't sh!t on a symbol we hold dear.

This is why Alejandro Villaneuva's jersey is the top seller today.

I respect the constitution FAR more than the flag. When the constitution is being violated in an egregious manner (i.e. killing of innocent unarmed citizens by the government), I have zero problem with people protesting that violation in any peaceful manner they wish.

Someone who doesn't agree with that isn't a patriot.

 

[sandorski]

It is the duty of everyone sitting on their couch eating Doritos to toss a few at the TV at those kneeling during the National Anthem.

 

[Pens1566]

It isn't. The only people who seriously think it is don't understand the reasons/principles surrounding the founding of the country.

 

[J.Wilkins]

There was a time when on the field of battle, soldiers would literally die to maintain control of or lift the colors. The coffins of American KIAs come back draped in the American flag. The families of those killed in combat receive an American flag. The American flag is a prominent part of military drill and ceremonies. Most of you will never understand the pride of entering into a remote village of some god forsaken place, and witnessing people seeing the American flag as a symbol of hope.

Right or wrong, the national anthem at sporting events is inexplicably entwined in that symbolism. This is why at many sporting venues, a military honor guard is part of the singing of the national anthem. Most sports teams incorporate fly overs of military aircraft. You cannot deny that patriotism, the military and sporting events have a complex relationship.

So yes, for veterans, the flag is something to respect and honor. This doesn't mean you can't protest Trump or police violence or racism. Just don't sh!t on a symbol we hold dear.

This is why Alejandro Villaneuva's jersey is the top seller today.

You don't think the veterans would prefer it if you cares more about them and less about a piece of cloth?

When you band together as a unit, you have symbolism, mutual ideals to bind you together. The flag might be one of those but when you get back home you might want the people to pay for your troubles and fix it so you don't shit yourself 8 times a day before you bother with how the fucking flag is treated.

Right or wrong? Wrong. Only the national guard and those who never saw action gives a fuck, for those who have seen action there are more important things than a piece of fucking cloth or a song that need to be dealt with.

Like, perhaps don't fucking send people into elective wars because politicians are retarded people that you like to vote for?