Can someone explain why kneeling during the National Anthem is disrespectful to the troops?

[Thebobo]

Here are some facts: http://observer.case.edu/rutecki-kneeling-for-the-national-anthem-is-disrespect/

College newspaper opinion piece is where you get your facts? Looks like you are searching for facts that agree with your preconceived notions.

 

[ivwshane]

The problem with players kneeling during the anthem is simple: it is an example of black people protesting. Every time black people protest something they are told that the problem isn’t with them protesting, it’s how they are protesting. The thing is, that’s said no matter how they protest. It’s hard to imagine a more totally benign form of protest than kneeling during the anthem at a sporting event and yet even then, conservatives freak out.

I would love to hear where and how would be an acceptable place and manner for black people to protest. If we get any answers at all I bet it will be ‘quietly and out of the public eye so you can safely be ignored’.

We already have an answer: they can protest off the field, back in the locker room. Out of site, out of mind. Black people protesting aren't to be heard or seen.

 

[Paratus]

We already have an answer: they can protest off the field, back in the locker room. Out of site, out of mind. Black people protesting aren't to be heard or seen.

If a black person protests in a forest where a conservative can’t see or hear him does the conservative still consider it disrespectful?

You betcha!

 

[IJTSSG]

I didn't realize it was just black players kneeling and protesting.

It's sop for the liberals to start screaming racist when they can't convince people to agree with them. Usually doesn't take long.

Good job!

 

[HomerJS]

I didn't realize it was just black players kneeling and protesting.

It's sop for the liberals to start screaming racist when they can't convince people to agree with them. Usually doesn't take long.

Good job!

Stop being obtuse idiot. NFL is 70% black. Besides your people made up the rule 1/8 equals black so fuck off.

 

[umbrella39]

Stop being obtuse idiot. NFL is 70% black. Besides your people made up the rule 1/8 equals black so fuck off.

He is self scripted to be a right wing curmudgeon cariacture... When he first "arrived" he was upvoting all of right wing loon posts for months before his handlers finally told him to get out of the shadows and to drum up some controversy here... I'm starting to think IDC is just bored as this is happening far too frequently now...

 

[IJTSSG]

Stop being obtuse idiot. NFL is 70% black. Besides your people made up the rule 1/8 equals black so fuck off.

Triggered TDS suffering beautiful being. "1/8 equals black"?

Good job!

 

[Jaskalas]

NFL is 70% black

Sounds like it could use some hiring quotas to restore parity in representation.

 

[IJTSSG]

Remember it's not about outcome, it's about opportunity.

 

[sao123]

You don't protest when it's 'convenient.' You protest when it will have maximum effect.

And if we measure this protest by it maximum effort, I would says its final outcome is EPIC FAILURE. It accomplished absolutely 0 that it was supposed to, and riled up the people anti to its cause.
if you want to gain favor and persuade, you need to attract more people than you provoke. Hint: the most controversial confrontational way is usually NOT the best.

 

[UberNeuman]

And if we measure this protest by it maximum effort, I would says its final outcome is EPIC FAILURE. It accomplished absolutely 0 that it was supposed to, and riled up the people anti to its cause.
if you want to gain favor and persuade, you need to attract more people than you provoke. Hint: the most controversial confrontational way is usually NOT the best.

lol. Simple Rules for a protest from a simpleton.

 

[Commodus]

And if we measure this protest by it maximum effort, I would says its final outcome is EPIC FAILURE. It accomplished absolutely 0 that it was supposed to, and riled up the people anti to its cause.
if you want to gain favor and persuade, you need to attract more people than you provoke. Hint: the most controversial confrontational way is usually NOT the best.

Too bad you're wrong. Body cameras are more commonplace; officers have been fired who would previously have skirted the law; police accountability as a whole is up, even if there's a lot of work left to do.

And more importantly, it keeps the topic in the conversation. You want black people to go protest quietly in a corner where you won't have to be confronted with their ideas. But hey, guess what -- you're talking about the subject, aren't you? Mission accomplished.

 

[IronWing]

And if we measure this protest by it maximum effort, I would says its final outcome is EPIC FAILURE. It accomplished absolutely 0 that it was supposed to, and riled up the people anti to its cause.
if you want to gain favor and persuade, you need to attract more people than you provoke. Hint: the most controversial confrontational way is usually NOT the best.

Kneeling for the national anthem is confrontational? If you ever saw an actual protest your pearls would shatter.

 

[fskimospy]

And if we measure this protest by it maximum effort, I would says its final outcome is EPIC FAILURE. It accomplished absolutely 0 that it was supposed to, and riled up the people anti to its cause.
if you want to gain favor and persuade, you need to attract more people than you provoke. Hint: the most controversial confrontational way is usually NOT the best.

Kneeling at a sporting event is literally the least confrontational protest possible.

 

[umbrella39]

And if we measure this protest by it maximum effort, I would says its final outcome is EPIC FAILURE. It accomplished absolutely 0 that it was supposed to, and riled up the people anti to its cause.
if you want to gain favor and persuade, you need to attract more people than you provoke. Hint: the most controversial confrontational way is usually NOT the best.

Checked time stamp of post... drunk posting or just stupid?

 

[HomerJS]

Triggered TDS suffering ******************************. "1/8 equals black"?

Good job!

Yes you white guys made up that rule. Try reading a history book

 

[HomerJS]

Sounds like it could use some hiring quotas to restore parity in representation.

Don't worry the white contingent amongst ownership and coaches more then make that up.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Too bad you're wrong. Body cameras are more commonplace; officers have been fired who would previously have skirted the law; police accountability as a whole is up, even if there's a lot of work left to do.

And more importantly, it keeps the topic in the conversation. You want black people to go protest quietly in a corner where you won't have to be confronted with their ideas. But hey, guess what -- you're talking about the subject, aren't you? Mission accomplished.

You’re partially wrong as well. The BLM movement did force a necessary conversation. Very few people are criticizing NBA players or soccer players or other people in a position to elevate that message through their celebrity. All the things you mentioned were already in motion independent of the NFL conversation.

This thread is specific to the NFL.

That is because the NFL situation is a bit unique and there is a broader context.

First, the NFL has an advertising relationship with the military. Say what you want about that being jingoist, but it is the NFL that created the association of the anthem to fallen soldiers, thereby placing a very specific symbolism around the anthem at NFL games. None of the owners were complaining about that sweet sweet taxpayer money filling the NFL’s coffers. Now, most veterans could care less about and would probably prefer that association not exist, but there are others, like the families and friends of fallen soldiers, who appreciate the gesture of respect.

Second, Kaepernick didn’t have much of a political voice when he was a starting quarterback. This all started because a photographer captured him sitting on the bench during the anthem after his career went into freefall, and attention was drawn to it. Suddenly, what appeared to be a sulking player suddenly became this whole PR thing. The conversation started around the specific actions of one player.

Last, the President very inappropriately seized on this discussion as yet another wedge issue, and the NFL utterly failed in its attempts to control the narrative.

There is a broader context than race when talking specifically about the NFL.

 

[HomerJS]

And if we measure this protest by it maximum effort, I would says its final outcome is EPIC FAILURE. It accomplished absolutely 0 that it was supposed to, and riled up the people anti to its cause.
if you want to gain favor and persuade, you need to attract more people than you provoke. Hint: the most controversial confrontational way is usually NOT the best.

It's only confrontational because people are brainwashed by Trump to think that. This is the same Trump who didn't mind crotch grabbing and spitting during the National Anthem. Doesn't mind using the flag as clothing.

 

[sao123]

It's only confrontational because people are brainwashed by Trump to think that. This is the same Trump who didn't mind crotch grabbing and spitting during the National Anthem. Doesn't mind using the flag as clothing.

No... its confrontational and offensive because I was taught in my 7th grade history class by a veteran what the law says about the National Anthem. Intentionally kneeling during the national anthem is a blatent show of disrespect for the country. They cant fathom why the nation is more important than any one individual. They don't actually Pledge their allegience to this nation, they dont believe in patriotism. They only pledge allegiance to themselves.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301
36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem

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(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1)when the flag is displayed—
(A)
individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B)
members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C)
all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2)
when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were display

 

[Veliko]

I can't tell if sao123 is being intentionally ironic or not.

 

[IronWing]

No... its confrontational and offensive because I was taught in my 7th grade history class by a veteran what the law says about the National Anthem. Intentionally kneeling during the national anthem is a blatent show of disrespect for the country. They cant fathom why the nation is more important than any one individual. They don't actually Pledge their allegience to this nation, they dont believe in patriotism. They only pledge allegiance to themselves.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301
36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem

• US Code
• Notes

prev | next
(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1)when the flag is displayed—
(A)
individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B)
members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C)
all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2)
when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were display

You know what the word "should" means when written in law? Diddly ÷ squat.

 

[BoomerD]

Meh...I was one of "the troops" during Vietnam. IMO, throwing an American flag on a pole in the back of your pickup truck and flying it at highway speeds, beating it to threads is far more disrespectful to the country and its troops than a bunch of football players taking a knee will ever be.

HOWEVER, I don't think this is the proper venue for their protests. How many of us could protest some kind of injustice at our workplaces without repercussions? I sure couldn't have done that when I was working. (other than sanctioned union pickets) If the players association wants to sanction the players protesting...then that's an issue for the CBA to address...They COULD always gather in a public place like a park for their protests...but, of course, that wouldn't get nearly as much attention...

 

[senseamp]

No... its confrontational and offensive because I was taught in my 7th grade history class by a veteran what the law says about the National Anthem. Intentionally kneeling during the national anthem is a blatent show of disrespect for the country. They cant fathom why the nation is more important than any one individual. They don't actually Pledge their allegience to this nation, they dont believe in patriotism. They only pledge allegiance to themselves.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301
36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem

• US Code
• Notes

prev | next
(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1)when the flag is displayed—
(A)
individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B)
members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C)
all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2)
when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were display

You do realize that if the government ever tried to enforce this statist horseshit, everything not related to current members of the military would be thrown out as violation of freedom of expression?

 

[sao123]

You do realize that if the government ever tried to enforce this statist horseshit, everything not related to current members of the military would be thrown out as violation of freedom of expression?

Yes i do realize that our current slate of liberal judges have completed desecrated and destroyed everything our founding fathers held sacred.
with hope someday we will restore that former glory.