Can someone explain why kneeling during the National Anthem is disrespectful to the troops?

Page 25 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,825
49,526
136
Yes i do realize that our current slate of liberal judges have completed desecrated and destroyed everything our founding fathers held sacred.
with hope someday we will restore that former glory.

Can you tell us what the current slate of liberal judges has desecrated and destroyed, specifically? Name as many as you can.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
36,289
28,144
136
No... its confrontational and offensive because I was taught in my 7th grade history class by a veteran what the law says about the National Anthem. Intentionally kneeling during the national anthem is a blatent show of disrespect for the country. They cant fathom why the nation is more important than any one individual. They don't actually Pledge their allegience to this nation, they dont believe in patriotism. They only pledge allegiance to themselves.
(C)
all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2)
when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were display
My point exactly. Now tell me again how much he really cares about this issue.
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
35,787
6,195
126
Yes i do realize that our current slate of liberal judges have completed desecrated and destroyed everything our founding fathers held sacred.
with hope someday we will restore that former glory.
You never go full R.
 

Stopsignhank

Platinum Member
Mar 1, 2014
2,339
1,534
136
Yes i do realize that our current slate of liberal judges have completed desecrated and destroyed everything our founding fathers held sacred.
with hope someday we will restore that former glory.
Ahh yes, the good old days. When men worked. Wives served them dinner as soon as they got home. The queers were in the closet where they should be and the coloreds knew their place.

The movie Pleasantville is a terrific showcase of what the good old days were, as long as you were a white male.
 
Reactions: Muse

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
26,710
25,047
136
Well I guess we have to wait until sao123 finds something on google

That is difficult when the google response is:

Showing you results for "What to do when you are retarded" would you like to display results "dirty liburl judgey people ruining my lives and merica" instead?
 
Nov 29, 2006
15,663
4,137
136
No... its confrontational and offensive because I was taught in my 7th grade history class by a veteran what the law says about the National Anthem. Intentionally kneeling during the national anthem is a blatent show of disrespect for the country. They cant fathom why the nation is more important than any one individual. They don't actually Pledge their allegience to this nation, they dont believe in patriotism. They only pledge allegiance to themselves.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301
36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem
prev | next
(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1)when the flag is displayed—
(A)
individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B)
members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C)
all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2)
when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were display

As a veteran I fought for your right as a civilian to not do any of these things. In fact I’d urge you to side on freedom vs authoritarianism and blind obedience.
 
Reactions: DarthKyrie

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,825
49,526
136
No... its confrontational and offensive because I was taught in my 7th grade history class by a veteran what the law says about the National Anthem. Intentionally kneeling during the national anthem is a blatent show of disrespect for the country. They cant fathom why the nation is more important than any one individual. They don't actually Pledge their allegience to this nation, they dont believe in patriotism. They only pledge allegiance to themselves.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301
36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem
prev | next
(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1)when the flag is displayed—
(A)
individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B)
members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C)
all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2)
when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were display

Are you a veteran? I am and I think kneeling during the anthem is awesome.

I personally think whether you’re a veteran or not should mean nothing as to the validity of your position but since you cited it I guess it matters to you.

Now that veterans have told you the opposite of what you think will you reconsider? I bet not because your position was always based on feelings, not what some veteran told you.
 
Reactions: DarthKyrie

IJTSSG

Golden Member
Aug 12, 2014
1,120
276
136
Are you a veteran? I am and I think kneeling during the anthem is awesome.

I personally think whether you’re a veteran or not should mean nothing as to the validity of your position but since you cited it I guess it matters to you.

Now that veterans have told you the opposite of what you think will you reconsider? I bet not because your position was always based on feelings, not what some veteran told you.

Why would you think kneeling is awesome? It's a toss up between it and flag burning as to which is the worst way to protest anything. The method of protest becomes the story, not what it is they're protesting. Google some stories about "kneeling during the anthem" and look at how many of them don't even mention the "why".

Before anyone decides 1 plus 1 equals 97 again, I think anyone has the right to kneel during the anthem or burn a flag. I also think employers are allowed to set conditions in the workplace. As far as veterans are concerned, I understand the passion around the anthem and the flag. IMO, any vet who says, "I didn't serve so someone could burn the flag or kneel during the anthem" doesn't have a clue as to what he was defending.
 
Last edited:

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,825
49,526
136
Why would you think kneeling is awesome? It's a toss up between it and flag burning as to which is the worst way to protest anything. The method of protest becomes the story, not what it is they're protesting. Google some stories about "kneeling during the anthem" and look at how many of them don't even mention the "why".

So I googled exactly that and the top five results explicitly said why they were kneeling. I stopped looking after that but 100% of the stories I saw talked about it so by your own criteria it seems quite effective? Conservative media might say something different but that wouldn't exactly be the most surprising thing as their goal is not to inform.

Regardless, as I've said before it doesn't matter what means black people use to protest things because the problem conservatives have isn't with the method of protesting, it's that black people are protesting. Kneeling during the national anthem at a football game has to be about the most benign form of protest imaginable. I've asked repeatedly what ways a black person should protest that would be met with approval by conservatives but I already know the answer - there isn't one. Or to be more accurate as I said before the only approved ways of black people protesting are ones that can be easily ignored.

Before anyone decide 1 plus 1 equals 97 again, I think anyone has the right to kneel during the anthem or burn a flag. I also think employers are allowed to set conditions in the workplace. As far as veterans are concerned, I understand the passion around the anthem and the flag. IMO, any vet who says, "I didn't serve so someone could burn the flag or kneel during the anthem" doesn't have a clue as to what he was defending.

I agree that people have the right to protest and that employers have the right to set conditions for the workplace. The one entity that does NOT have the right to tell them if they can protest or not is the federal government, however. The bad news here is that the federal government (Trump) explicitly pressured the NFL to limit its employees' freedom of expression with threats to adversely change tax laws to punish the NFL if they didn't stop that speech. Because of that there's some potential legal trouble for everyone involved and I think we would all agree that it's grossly out of line for the president to be engaging in such behavior.

By the way, thanks for contributing a post that's something other than raging at your imagined enemies. It's very welcome!
 

IJTSSG

Golden Member
Aug 12, 2014
1,120
276
136
So I googled exactly that and the top five results explicitly said why they were kneeling. I stopped looking after that but 100% of the stories I saw talked about it so by your own criteria it seems quite effective? Conservative media might say something different but that wouldn't exactly be the most surprising thing as their goal is not to inform.

Regardless, as I've said before it doesn't matter what means black people use to protest things because the problem conservatives have isn't with the method of protesting, it's that black people are protesting. Kneeling during the national anthem at a football game has to be about the most benign form of protest imaginable. I've asked repeatedly what ways a black person should protest that would be met with approval by conservatives but I already know the answer - there isn't one. Or to be more accurate as I said before the only approved ways of black people protesting are ones that can be easily ignored.

I agree that people have the right to protest and that employers have the right to set conditions for the workplace. The one entity that does NOT have the right to tell them if they can protest or not is the federal government, however. The bad news here is that the federal government (Trump) explicitly pressured the NFL to limit its employees' freedom of expression with threats to adversely change tax laws to punish the NFL if they didn't stop that speech. Because of that there's some potential legal trouble for everyone involved and I think we would all agree that it's grossly out of line for the president to be engaging in such behavior.

By the way, thanks for contributing a post that's something other than raging at your imagined enemies. It's very welcome!
I'm not getting the same results as you. I stand by my opinion that the "how" has overcome the "what".
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,825
49,526
136
I'm not getting the same results as you. I stand by my opinion that the "how" has overcome the "what".

My top 6 results are as follows and they are nonpartisan/mainstream news sites. All of them mention what. What sites do you get?

https://www.procon.org/headline.php?headlineID=005323

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/05/23/why-do-players-kneel-during-national-anthem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._national_anthem_protests_(2016–present)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-anthem-policy-fines-teams-if-players-n876816

http://time.com/5288795/nfl-national-anthem-kneeling-rule/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/sports/nfl-anthem-kneeling.html

I agree that the 'how' has overcome the 'what' but as I said that was bound to happen no matter what method of protesting they chose unless they chose a method that could be easily ignored.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,820
29,571
146
I would not consider a 21 year old student a credible source of information for something like this. Now if I want to know the correct way to use a beer bong I will gladly listen to what he has to say.

Dude, they are into butt-chugging now. You need to keep up.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
13,819
1,126
126
Why has Sao123 run away from another shit post he has been called out on? I see he has employed another sock puppet to sweep the shit up though...
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |