Can someone explain why kneeling during the National Anthem is disrespectful to the troops?

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brycejones

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Ding...ding...ding...

These same people who claim kneeling disrespects the American flag have no problem with people flying the confederate flag when the Confederacy were traitors to the Union.

Or Nazis, they love them some Nazis.

Peaceful protest by black people at a sporting event is disrespectful and they should be fired. Actual Nazis marching with torches is something to be protected and they shouldn't be bothered in their "protest".

It's sad, modern conservatives would rather side with actual Nazis.
 
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Or Nazis, they love them some Nazis.

Peaceful protest by black people at a sporting event is disrespectful and they should be fired. Actual Nazis marching with torches is something to be protected and they shouldn't be bothered in their "protest".

It's sad, modern conservatives would rather side with actual Nazis.
Hey. They only want you to rally around the American flag and honor those that died for that flag when it's convenient. When it's time to defend the confederate flag or monuments to confederate leaders then it's about something else. Cause the whole "respect people who fought and died for the American flag" kind of falls apart at that point.
 

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I love the outrage here when just a couple years ago...

Good grief everyone is a bunch of triggered snowflakes anymore.
In the words..err...letters of Aaron Rodgers.....R-E-L-A-X


 
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Puffnstuff

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Hey. They only want you to rally around the American flag and honor those that died for that flag when it's convenient. When it's time to defend the confederate flag or monuments to confederate leaders then it's about something else. Cause the whole "respect people who fought and died for the American flag" kind of falls apart at that point.
Those reminders of our past are what help us to keep moving forward. We made a host of mistakes along the way and hopefully we've learned from them. I'm sick and tired of all of this one sided woe is me BS.
 
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HomerJS

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I love the outrage here when just a couple years ago...

Good grief everyone is a bunch of triggered snowflakes anymore.
In the words..err...letters of Aaron Rodgers.....R-E-L-A-X


Not true. In fact many athletes go to a knee and/or point to the sky after scoring a touchdown and don't get criticized. Some also thank God in post game interviews after a win. Stop making shit up in an attempt to stifle free speech.
 
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Those reminders of our past are what help us to keep moving forward. We made a lost of mistakes along the way and hopefully we've learned from them. I'm sick and tired of all of this one sided woe is me BS.
And yet Lee himself argued that those monuments prevent moving forward. He, by his own words, would be against the monuments to him that exist today.
 
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brycejones

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I love the outrage here when just a couple years ago...

Good grief everyone is a bunch of triggered snowflakes anymore.
In the words..err...letters of Aaron Rodgers.....R-E-L-A-X



Links to supposed outrage instead of a meme? Or was this tied to him Tebow's public prayer right after the vicious Bowling Green attack?
 

BigDH01

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Not true. In fact many athletes go to a knee and/or point to the sky after scoring a touchdown and don't get criticized. Some also thank God in post game interviews after a win. Stop making shit up in an attempt to stifle free speech.

No shit, I see an overt display of Christianity pretty much after every touchdown. I see team prayers pretty much before and after every game at almost all levels of play. To compare what is currently happening re the anthem to Tebow is pretty disingenuous. I never saw Obama come out and call Tebow a "son of a bitch."

Something has gone off the rails in this country. People are pissed because other people aren't showing the proper respect to a song or a flag but these things are meaningless. The level of false patriotism or overt nationalism is getting absurd. You shouldn't love your flag, you shouldn't love your country, you shouldn't love your government, you should love your principles. Principles are the only things that actually matter. Flags change, countries come and go, governments fall. It is only our principles that survive. One of those principles I hold dear, and conservatives used to least claim to hold dear, is the freedom of expression. This freedom is fundamental in a free society. The nationalism currently on display is stupid and downright dangerous and is in opposition to this country's founding principles. Do you think a group of people leading a war of rebellion against their imperial oppressors valued their nationalism or their principles?

I don't care from which side the opposition to free speech originates, it is wrong and anathema to a free country. Having the chief executive, head of the branch of government responsible for enforcing our laws and our Constitution, come out and call peaceful protestors sons of bitches is fucking dangerous. It totally annihilates the public trust and significantly degrades the value of the office. To see so much support for it reminds me that a huge number of Americans are far more interested in their country, and in their party, than their principals. They are lost.
 

emperus

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I support his right to stand as much as I support others' right to kneel or sit. He really had nothing to apologize for and I wish he hadn't. But, I suppose I have to support his right to apologize as well.

The guy came out of the tunnel to stand there in full public view to salute the flag and did it direct contradiction of what he agreed with his teammates to do. 1.) Why couldn't he salute the flag in the tunnel? Is there some stipulation that when you salute the flag everyone has to see? 2.) And what kind of asshole would do that when the TEAM has decided already to stay in the tunnel. I think this statement is self serving as he looks like an asshole and fuxed other people on his team; those who would have preferred to been out of the tunnel saluting the flag as well.
 

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I'm just saying that those memes were all over conservative sites. When I image search it I got brietbart, thefederalist papers, etc. The whole circular logic of this situation is absurd.

Everyone just needs to calm the fuck down and realize Trump is just controlling the narrative on some topic that gets people foaming at the mouth when there are a pile of other more serious things going on.
 

Puffnstuff

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Something has gone off the rails in this country. People are pissed because other people aren't showing the proper respect to a song or a flag but these things are meaningless.
Yepper there sure is. The very same people who claim to cherish those rights have done nothing to help preserve them.
 

IronWing

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The guy came out of the tunnel to stand there in full public view to salute the flag and did it direct contradiction of what he agreed with his teammates to do. 1.) Why couldn't he salute the flag in the tunnel? Is there some stipulation that when you salute the flag everyone has to see? 2.) And what kind of asshole would do that when the TEAM has decided already to stay in the tunnel. I think this statement is self serving as he looks like an asshole and fuxed other people on his team; those who would have preferred to been out of the tunnel saluting the flag as well.
If other team members wanted to stand in public for the anthem, they should have done so. We all make our own decisions.
 

emperus

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If other team members wanted to stand in public for the anthem, they should have done so. We all make our own decisions.

Assuming, we skip the part where "the team agreed". Why did he have to come out of the tunnel to salute the anthem? Is that a prerequisite of how to honor the national anthem(it must be done in public) or is a more a prerequisite of someone who wanted to grab attention?
 

BigDH01

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Yepper there sure is. The very same people who claim to cherish those rights have done nothing to help preserve them.

Like what? What are they supposed to do? They are clearly exercising their rights for a cause they feel to be just, what more do you want from them? Or do you only have the right to protest these days if you joined the military?
 

IronWing

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Assuming, we skip the part where "the team agreed". Why did he have to come out of the tunnel to salute the anthem? Is that a prerequisite of how to honor the national anthem(it must be done in public) or is a more a prerequisite of someone who wanted to grab attention?
So he wanted to grab attention on this issue? Good. That is exactly what the kneelers and sitters are also doing. That is the whole point of free expression.
 

Puffnstuff

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Like what? What are they supposed to do? They are clearly exercising their rights for a cause they feel to be just, what more do you want from them? Or do you only have the right to protest these days if you joined the military?
Oh deary me have I struck a nerve? As a veteran of the armed forces I do have a different sense of patriotic duty than someone who hasn't served. I see this public display as nothing more than a publicity stunt: one for which I have no respect.
 

emperus

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So he wanted to grab attention on this issue? Good. That is exactly what the kneelers and sitters are also doing. That is the whole point of free expression.

Yeah he sold out his team and a plan that was put together to make him feel conformable to garner attention for himself? Sounds like a swell individual and a great representative of the Armed Services.
 

HomerJS

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The guy came out of the tunnel to stand there in full public view to salute the flag and did it direct contradiction of what he agreed with his teammates to do. 1.) Why couldn't he salute the flag in the tunnel? Is there some stipulation that when you salute the flag everyone has to see? 2.) And what kind of asshole would do that when the TEAM has decided already to stay in the tunnel. I think this statement is self serving as he looks like an asshole and fuxed other people on his team; those who would have preferred to been out of the tunnel saluting the flag as well.
If true this guy is a major asshole and a disloyal teammate. My guess he didn't have the guts to object to his teammates face. My understanding it had to 100% or we don't do it. He should have made his request in front of the team and then do it. Don't know the guy so don't want to totally judge.
 

BigDH01

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Oh deary me have I struck a nerve? As a veteran of the armed forces I do have a different sense of patriotic duty than someone who hasn't served. I see this public display as nothing more than a publicity stunt: one for which I have no respect.

No, it was a legitimate question. Partly because your implied answer is pretty shitty (only veterans understand and deserve rights) and partly because it's dangerous for a democracy to cede "heroism" and "patriotism" only to the members of the state that exercise violence on its behalf.
 
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umbrella39

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Not true. In fact many athletes go to a knee and/or point to the sky after scoring a touchdown and don't get criticized. Some also thank God in post game interviews after a win. Stop making shit up in an attempt to stifle free speech.

... and the media PRAISING him to boot? Inane meme is inane...
 

Starbuck1975

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If true this guy is a major asshole and a disloyal teammate. My guess he didn't have the guts to object to his teammates face. My understanding it had to 100% or we don't do it. He should have made his request in front of the team and then do it. Don't know the guy so don't want to totally judge.
He is a West Point grad, former Army Ranger and bronze star winner. He has more spine and guts than his entire team combined.

We can speculate but I take accept his explanation as truthful.
 
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