Only by the same level of ignorant shit as those attacking them for kneeling, and they should be ignored just the same. The point is to be free to express your opinions, no matter how much others disagree.
Only by the same level of ignorant shit as those attacking them for kneeling, and they should be ignored just the same. The point is to be free to express your opinions, no matter how much others disagree.they are compelled to kneel whether they agree with the reasons or not, if they refused to kneel they would be painted as a racist on the news and the internet.
But what about the statues? Same difference folks.Only by the same level of ignorant shit as those attacking them for kneeling, and they should be ignored just the same. The point is to be free to express your opinions, no matter how much others disagree.
People are free to be ignorant asshats, no matter what side of the spectrum they stand, sit, kneel, or prostrate on. They're also free to be yammered at by others, lest they remove themselves from the debate. Social evolution will decide which direction we go, which unfortunately has more to do with the stamina of the debaters than the logic of the debate.But what about the statues? Same difference folks.
Maybe it's a bit more complicated:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...or-national-anthem-insists-it-was-an-accident
They sure are and that is part of being a free American. I don't like the footballers kneeling but that's their right, Try burning a flag in my front yard and I'll exercise my rights.People are free to be ignorant asshats, no matter what side of the spectrum they stand, sit, kneel, or prostrate on. They're also free to be yammered at by others, lest they remove themselves from the debate. Social evolution will decide which direction we go, which unfortunately has more to do with the stamina of the debaters than the logic of the debate.
The US population has gotten far, far too divisive, to the point of reactionarily countering their own beliefs because 'the other guys' said $thing. It's absolutely insane. To add to it, we have a CIC encouraging the behavior while generally ignoring his own duties. I'm sure this had nothing to do with it being exacerbated over the last 12mo:They sure are and that is part of being a free American. I don't like the footballers kneeling but that's their right, Try burning a flag in my front yard and I'll exercise my rights.
Haven't seen that one before, but pretty awesome. Now, if you just add a panel of dwarves saying "Fvck Your Feelings" and another panel of Elrond elvesplaining the whole thing, we can end the thread.somethink akin to this old gem:
Only by the same level of ignorant shit as those attacking them for kneeling, and they should be ignored just the same. The point is to be free to express your opinions, no matter how much others disagree.
Sure isn't, we haven't, as a species (much less a nation) evolved socially to be able to cope with a 'tribe' of 300m people, capable of voicing themselves anonymously. We also don't have the capacity to understand if those 300m are legitimate voices or not, if they're actually an enemy nation-state attempting to destabilize us, or just 12 year-old trolls stirring shit up.well i think we can both agree that there is established precedent that if enough people disagree with your free expression enough, they can make alot of noise on social media and then you will find yourself no longer employed. is that person actually free?
Then we are on the same page. I don't think its a problem of not enough voices. There were plenty of voices and a very vibrant national discussion on police violence well before anyone started taking knees at football games. If anything, on this particular topic, there are perhaps too many voices and no coherent strategy or leadership to guide them.
What you advocate is true activism or a sense of service to society. Ask not what your country can do for you and all that stuff. Taking knees, twitter, social media...this is all lazy activism.
Maybe OP has it wrong. Kneeling is clearly disrespectful
Trashing a former POW is not.
I wouldn't classify the ice bucket challenge as slacktivism as it takes some effort, and medical related causes are a whole different conversation from social justice.did you know that the ice bucket challenge actually raised several 100 millions or so dollars for ALS? Who knew?
slacktivism actually seems to work.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/als-and-the-ice-bucket-challenge
hey, maybe younger generations do things differently, respond differently, than us fogies, huh? They are the ones that are inheriting this world, having to fix all of our shit, so maybe they have a point? Who knew?
False equivalence of a public protest over Black citizens unnecessarily shot by police means disrespect for our troops. Our troops that supposedly fought for liberty and justice for all. I would think our troops stand with the protesters.I guess I don't really understand this debate. What is the correlation between the national anthem and our troops? I'm asking seriously.
I don't see many degrees of difference between kneeling while our anthem is played to protest the hypocrisy of a promise of freedom and justice for all , wearing a Castro T-shirt, wearing a nazi armband, wearing a Mao Zedong hat or an Uncle Ho neckerchief. They are all forms of political protest and are all forms of insult to one group of people or another.
Why are you comparing merchandizing to personal and political beliefs?I never said people can't disrespect the flag. I am answering the OP's question as to why some people might have a problem with it.
I am against the government placing limitations on free speech. It is inappropriate and unconstitutional for the President to weigh in on speech. However, there are numerous societal limitations to free speech. Can an NFL player put an autism awareness sticker on his helmet?Could Peyton Manning take the field with a big Papa John's patch on his uniform? If I show up at work tomorrow with an anti-Trump shirt, will there not be repercussions? Can Alejandro Villeneuva sew a Ranger tab to the outside of his jersey? Is it appropriate for the God Hates F@gs losers to protest at military funerals? Patriotism is rejecting government limitations on free speech, but there are societal limitations that have nothing to do with patriotism. In the case of the NFL, the almighty dollar will drive the narrative.
Also, if these NFL players feel so strongly about police brutality and systemic racism, kneeling during the national anthem is a pretty lazy and ineffective way to further the cause.
But Democrats should totally rush to the defense of these athletes and protect their right to free speech. That position will play well to the parts of the country Clinton lost. Trump knows exactly what he is doing.
Fair point, my examples were all merchandizing. Freudian slip of what I perceive the NFL to be.Why are you comparing merchandizing to personal and political beliefs?
I do not have enough likes.As a veteran myself, let me say this: I did not put my life on the line for this country so people would feel forced to respect a system that so obviously does not respect them.
Servile, forced, mandatory shows of respect is not an American value. Life, liberty, freedom and equality ARE American values and the players are protesting the daily violation of those very core values.
Systemic racism in this country is verifiable fact. No matter how blacks protest it, they're always "wrong." If they block traffic, they should be run over like animals. If they riot, they're thugs. If they quietly take a knee, they're spoiled pussies. American blacks are anything but pussies. It takes an amazing amount of skin color privilege to be so ignorant to the daily struggle faced by simply having African features and skin color in America.
They are 36% less likely to be hired than whites when all other qualifications are equal.
They are twice as likely to be incarcerated for a crime and their sentence is on average 3 times longer.
On a daily basis they are stopped by police for no reason (being black is widely considered probable cause), followed through stores for no reason, judged, dismissed or feared for nothing other than the color of their skin.
Pussies?
Hardly.
In fact, if whites were suddenly treated as blacks are every day in America, we'd have another bloody revolution.
So no.
As a veteran I have NO PROBLEM with blacks quietly taking a knee to protest the horrible way they're treated in America. And anyone who does is either a racist, or so blinded by the privilege their white skin affords them they can't see the reality of being black in America.
Let me be clear, if a black man taking a knee offends you more than the systemic racism, daily human rights violations and civil rights violations in this country, you're part of the problem.
http://m.pnas.org/content/early/201...ract?sid=5ac32c31-b27d-4db5-b50f-0fe04298c38b
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ack-americans-higher-rates-disparities-report
And the countries slide backwards is being led by Trump.As a veteran myself, let me say this: I did not put my life on the line for this country so people would feel forced to respect a system that so obviously does not respect them.
Servile, forced, mandatory shows of respect is not an American value. Life, liberty, freedom and equality ARE American values and the players are protesting the daily violation of those very core values.
Systemic racism in this country is verifiable fact. No matter how blacks protest it, they're always "wrong." If they block traffic, they should be run over like animals. If they riot, they're thugs. If they quietly take a knee, they're spoiled pussies. American blacks are anything but pussies. It takes an amazing amount of skin color privilege to be so ignorant to the daily struggle faced by simply having African features and skin color in America.
They are 36% less likely to be hired than whites when all other qualifications are equal.
They are twice as likely to be incarcerated for a crime and their sentence is on average 3 times longer.
On a daily basis they are stopped by police for no reason (being black is widely considered probable cause), followed through stores for no reason, judged, dismissed or feared for nothing other than the color of their skin.
Pussies?
Hardly.
In fact, if whites were suddenly treated as blacks are every day in America, we'd have another bloody revolution.
So no.
As a veteran I have NO PROBLEM with blacks quietly taking a knee to protest the horrible way they're treated in America. And anyone who does is either a racist, or so blinded by the privilege their white skin affords them they can't see the reality of being black in America.
Let me be clear, if a black man taking a knee offends you more than the systemic racism, daily human rights violations and civil rights violations in this country, you're part of the problem.
http://m.pnas.org/content/early/201...ract?sid=5ac32c31-b27d-4db5-b50f-0fe04298c38b
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ack-americans-higher-rates-disparities-report
So Trump tries to pull Usain Bolt into his ongoing tirade of cursing out black athletes for peacefully protesting. Check out the responses from some of Bolt's peeps.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-apos-attempt-using-074828646.html
You've presented a compelling argument, and I respect everything you wrote. I also respectfully disagree on a few points.As a veteran myself, let me say this: I did not put my life on the line for this country so people would feel forced to respect a system that so obviously does not respect them.
Servile, forced, mandatory shows of respect is not an American value. Life, liberty, freedom and equality ARE American values and the players are protesting the daily violation of those very core values.
Systemic racism in this country is verifiable fact. No matter how blacks protest it, they're always "wrong." If they block traffic, they should be run over like animals. If they riot, they're thugs. If they quietly take a knee, they're spoiled pussies. American blacks are anything but pussies. It takes an amazing amount of skin color privilege to be so ignorant to the daily struggle faced by simply having African features and skin color in America.
They are 36% less likely to be hired than whites when all other qualifications are equal.
They are twice as likely to be incarcerated for a crime and their sentence is on average 3 times longer.
On a daily basis they are stopped by police for no reason (being black is widely considered probable cause), followed through stores for no reason, judged, dismissed or feared for nothing other than the color of their skin.
Pussies?
Hardly.
In fact, if whites were suddenly treated as blacks are every day in America, we'd have another bloody revolution.
So no.
As a veteran I have NO PROBLEM with blacks quietly taking a knee to protest the horrible way they're treated in America. And anyone who does is either a racist, or so blinded by the privilege their white skin affords them they can't see the reality of being black in America.
Let me be clear, if a black man taking a knee offends you more than the systemic racism, daily human rights violations and civil rights violations in this country, you're part of the problem.
http://m.pnas.org/content/early/201...ract?sid=5ac32c31-b27d-4db5-b50f-0fe04298c38b
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ack-americans-higher-rates-disparities-report
This point of view bothers me. Just because you make $20M a year doesn't mean you should turn a blind eye to things going on in the world, whether they affect you or not.And I am sorry, but I think it is reasonable to question anyone making $20M a year complaining about systemic oppression.