Can someone give a primer on India's recent history and culture?

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mammador

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You must be indian and a retard.

The railway system was built by the British you fuckhead.

Its because of retarded people like you that India doesn't progress. What are you proud of? Overpopulation and extremely poor hygiene? A 'superior-than-thou' attitude that looks down upon all non-professional jobs? As someone else commented, chinese are much more likely to do the dirty work and open up small businesses. While Indians like you think being a doctor is the only respectful profession..

To answer the OP's question - India is too tribal to progress. They have been ruled by foreigners for over 800 years, it will take a while for them to figure out how to rule themselves.

Doesn't help that the Congress party (post independence) is extremely corrupt (not that other parties aren't) and held the country back significantly.

Problem now is overpopulation and hygiene/healthiness. It will be very difficult for India to grow well in the coming years. A revolution is needed....

Eh, yeah.... and China has no population issues (gender ratio), or problems in providing adequate urban housing even in Hong Kong. What is China proud of exactly? A country that denies freedom of expression and protest, and isn't even a liberal democracy? You may mention caste, but that's cultural/religious and not governmental. Knowing you, I'll bet you'll ignore that and talk about squalor again haha. As if China has no poverty.

As for foreign rule, hahaha.. yeah, and MOST COUNTRIES IN ASIA were not ruled by Europeans, idiot.. I would say though that India is perhaps one of the more successful post-colonial Commonwealth countries, far better than most of Africa for instance.

Also, Indians are renowned across the world for opening up businesses. Chinese emigrants merely spread the Triads.
 

mammador

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What happened at Harmandir Sahib in '84?

yeah, and your country has a proud history of equality, despite it being founded on that concept. And not even shit long ago like Jim Crow, but yeah.. Guantanamo Bay is reaaal freedom, right?
 

mammador

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He lives in a trailer stocked with food, hooked up to reliable clean water and reliable electricity. He drives on paved roads in a place where he doesn't have to bribe anyone simply to have protection under the same laws as someone who was born in a richer family or with better political ties.
If he has trouble putting food on the table, he can go grab his rifle\fishing pole and go hunting vs going to the market.
He can call everyone in congress an asshole to their face and not end up in jail.
If one day he decides that he doesn't like the way mayor where's his shirt, he can run for office and all he needs is enough votes. He doesn't have to worry about "the party"

If his daughter is raped, his "caste" will have no impact on how police officers handle the case.


Ahemm... ZIMMERMAN! O.J. SIMPSON! THE LATE RODNEY KING!! hahaa..

Even in my own country, we have largely settled racial/racist policing. Sorry, but your last sentence made me lulz hard.
 

Jaskalas

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If the United States had a billion mouths to feed, we'd look in even worse shape than we are now. Much worse.
 

mammador

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So can the OP kindly state how China is "better off" than India?

In macroeconomic terms, China is larger, but both countries are affected by the global slowdown.

Socially, both have serious issues. Again, does the OP believe China is better off socially than India? People here have mentioned poor hygiene.. OK, so this is why rivers in China are highly polluted? Why millions per year die of food related illnesses? Why Chinese firms operating in foreign countries make their workers live in almost animal-esque conditions? Do Mittal, Tata Motors, or Infosys do that? lol..

As for history and culture, OK, yeah.. the Indians didn't invent much of the base of (eventual) modern science. What did the Chinese do? Oh yeah, paper money, firearms (yay, let's invent things designed to kill people!), and the abacus? haha...

The OP is making a baseless presumption, in that China is somehow "more worthy" of development. Unless he can substantiate this belief, he's a fool. Per "culture", his own Confucius told him to be wise hahaa...
 

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So can the OP kindly state how China is "better off" than India?

In macroeconomic terms, China is larger, but both countries are affected by the global slowdown.

Socially, both have serious issues. Again, does the OP believe China is better off socially than India? People here have mentioned poor hygiene.. OK, so this is why rivers in China are highly polluted? Why millions per year die of food related illnesses? Why Chinese firms operating in foreign countries make their workers live in almost animal-esque conditions? Do Mittal, Tata Motors, or Infosys do that? lol..

As for history and culture, OK, yeah.. the Indians didn't invent much of the base of (eventual) modern science. What did the Chinese do? Oh yeah, paper money, firearms (yay, let's invent things designed to kill people!), and the abacus? haha...

The OP is making a baseless presumption, in that China is somehow "more worthy" of development. Unless he can substantiate this belief, he's a fool. Per "culture", his own Confucius told him to be wise hahaa...

Re-read my OP and the article.
 

Orignal Earl

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You should visit the US sometime.

Why? I already live in that guys world.
I got friends who sport far more impressive mullets complete with rebel flags hanging on the rear window of their trucks.
I was just trying to point out that our Countries are huge and the difference between downtown NY and Silo ND can be day and night
You should come visit here, my door is always open, coffee is always on and I don't give a rat's ass if your Chinese, Indian, Muslim or Baptist

edit- I'm like 10 min from the US border, I've been to the US a lot
 
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KMFJD

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yeah, and your country has a proud history of equality, despite it being founded on that concept. And not even shit long ago like Jim Crow, but yeah.. Guantanamo Bay is reaaal freedom, right?

Not sure what Jim Crow laws or Guantanamo Bay have to do with my question unless you are assuming i'm an American and your trying to be witty? You pointed out that there had not been a Tiannamin Square event in India, i replied with one of many events that contradicted your claim.

 

mammador

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Not sure what Jim Crow laws or Guantanamo Bay have to do with my question unless you are assuming i'm an American and your trying to be witty? You pointed out that there had not been a Tiannamin Square event in India, i replied with one of many events that contradicted your claim.


Yeah, there had never been an event in India in which people protest for democracy, when they already have it lolol..
 

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This thread is a pretty good barometer of what kind of racism is tolerated here. Thank you for the insight.
 

busydude

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You must be indian and a retard.

The railway system was built by the British you fuckhead.

Its because of retarded people like you that India doesn't progress. What are you proud of? Overpopulation and extremely poor hygiene? A 'superior-than-thou' attitude that looks down upon all non-professional jobs? As someone else commented, chinese are much more likely to do the dirty work and open up small businesses. While Indians like you think being a doctor is the only respectful profession..

To answer the OP's question - India is too tribal to progress. They have been ruled by foreigners for over 800 years, it will take a while for them to figure out how to rule themselves.

Doesn't help that the Congress party (post independence) is extremely corrupt (not that other parties aren't) and held the country back significantly.

Problem now is overpopulation and hygiene/healthiness. It will be very difficult for India to grow well in the coming years. A revolution is needed....

Between you and the other guy you replied to, I think you are more likely to be a retard.
 

Baasha

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This is going to be a long one, so try to stay with me.

First and foremost, do not get information on India from Western, Muslim, or Communist sources (that includes so-called Indians themselves who are disillusioned with their identity).

The NYTimes, among other publications from the West, are awfully lazy when it comes to reporting on India; they rely on stereotypes, superficial analysis, and an archaic mindset (of many Cold War bureaucrats from the West) when analyzing India which is extremely complex and unequivocally the most diverse civilization on the planet.

Anyway, on to a short "primer" of (recent) Indian history.

India, since ancient times, developed an advanced civilization that gave rise to many of the foremost discoveries of mankind. Philosophy, astronomy, mathematics, and statecraft among many other things.

If we are to look at India in epochs, we can classify it in four distinct stages; initially a diverse society of various kingdoms that were bound by the common thread of Hinduism that included present-day eastern Iran, Afghanstan, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Myanmar, and of course, present-day India. The second stage in Indian history is the Jain/Buddhist period (from circa 6th century BCE). This, although considered as "part" of Hinduism (as an umbrella), represented divergent philosophies from the ones prevalent at that time (there are 6 main schools of thought within Hinduism, Jain and Buddhist form two more and the last one is atheist called Carvaka).

The Buddhist period saw a rapid rise in "soft" expansion - Buddhism being spread from the far corners of Afghanistan to southern India and of course, all of South-East and East Asia. During this "Buddhist" period, India saw tremendous growth in all sectors of society; it was the foremost place on the planet as far as human potential was concerned. The first university in the world, called Takshashila (in present-day Pakistan), was the center of learning for scholars around the world. Nalanda was another well known university that was created in the latter half of the 6th century CE.

The third period in Indian history begins with the Muslim invasions in the beginning of the 8th century CE (712CE by Muhammad bin Qasim from the Ummayad Caliphate from Damascus, Syria). This began the cataclysmic decline of India over a long and bloody millenium.

The fourth period in Indian history is the British invasion India through the East India Company (East Empire Company of Skyrim? LOL). Their rule was officially from 1858 to 1947 but the East India Company dug its claws into India from the early part of the 17th century CE.

It is not a coincidence that the two main industries of the "Industrial Revolution" started with steel and textiles; both of which were the forte of India (metallurgy and textiles of various kinds).

Christopher Columbus, after the expedition of Vasco da Gama to India, was desperate to find India. In those days, all roads led to India. That is why India was invaded repeatedly (by Alexander of Macedonia, then the Muslims, then the Portugese and British).

I will leave this video here for you to watch: http://youtu.be/xRloJjKQa70

A well-known journalist, S Gurumurthy describes not only the accurate history of India, economically speaking, but the lacunae in the mindset of Indians themselves today - hence the hilarious title of the video.

The simple fact is that for the past 150 years or so, India more or less has been an economic basket case primarily due to the repeated invasions starting from the 8th century to the 20th century as well as centrifugal forces that were exacerbated by the British in making Indians severely divided and disunited. For instance, prior to the British' arrival, Indian society was comprised of around 300 "castes" (jati is the correct word for occupational based division of labor/lifestyle). The British conducted the first census in India in 1871 and created more than 6000 castes. They had a caste for robbers called "Cullers". LOL..

Couple this with an eviscerated economy, Indian society was ripped apart, its educational system in tatters, and its so-called intelligentsia modeled after foreign systems not only alien to India, but actually inimical to it.

According to Angus Maddison, India's economic output from 1 CE to 1600 CE was more than 1/4th of the world's output. China was ahead for about a century until around 1700. Then India again overtook China and led the world economically until 1830. This study, btw, was conducted under the auspices of the OECD countries (26 richest nations on the planet today).

The industrialization of Europe was directly proportional to the deindustrialization of India (and China to some extent).

India has always been a decentralized society; decentralized religion (Hinduism), and decentralized governance - "panchayat" style where each village was a self-sustaining entity and the suzerainty of the monarchs had little direct effect on the villages themselves.

It is impossible to capture the wonder that is India in a few posts or even a few books. One must do one's own research and arrive at one's conclusions.

Some books I recommend are:

1.) Breaking India by Rajiv Malhotra - http://www.breakingindia.com/

2.) Being Different by Rajiv Malhotra - http://beingdifferentbook.com/

Indian society today, formulated laws based on foreign societies (England) and its sense of self leads to confusion for most Indians.

Many Indians have no clue as to the history of their country; they have been told what to think of themselves and their society and history by foreigners who have neither known India nor ever visited it!

Watch the video I linked to above - it presents a succinct answer of the very question you asked.
 
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Baasha

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Not sure what Jim Crow laws or Guantanamo Bay have to do with my question unless you are assuming i'm an American and your trying to be witty? You pointed out that there had not been a Tiannamin Square event in India, i replied with one of many events that contradicted your claim.

Did you seriously equate Tiananmen Square with Operation Blue Star? D:

Tiananmen Square was a population of students peacefully demonstrating to bring about democracy in a brutal Communist country.

Operation Blue Star was about a democratically elected government quelling an incredibly violent separatist movement by terrorists (Khalistan).

Your equating the two shows that you have more hair in your skull than your pagri.

This guy is a Khalistani - a terrorist supporting anti-Indian/anti-Hindu mleccha. And one wonders why India is in such dire straits? LMAO.
 

mammador

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I'd rather live in India than China to be honest.

I respect both countries for their past and present, but at least in India I could choose my leaders. I won't be locked in jail for having more than one child. I can criticise PM Singh in public media if I chose to and not be locked up.

You all say that India is corrupt lololol.. HA HA HA!!! Seriously? China is as much corrupt, if not more so. Without sounding unPC, some cultures simply hold more propensity to be corrupt. It figures, as in some cultures cutting corners, doing things for friends and family, or not following procedures exactly is the norm. There's a reason why perception of corruption in, say, Nigeria is higher than in Sweden. And not to be racist, but in some cultures there is more emphasis on adherence to standards and rule of law.
 

mammador

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This is going to be a long one, so try to stay with me.

First and foremost, do not get information on India from Western, Muslim, or Communist sources (that includes so-called Indians themselves who are disillusioned with their identity).

The NYTimes, among other publications from the West, are awfully lazy when it comes to reporting on India; they rely on stereotypes, superficial analysis, and an archaic mindset (of many Cold War bureaucrats from the West) when analyzing India which is extremely complex and unequivocally the most diverse civilization on the planet.

Anyway, on to a short "primer" of (recent) Indian history.

India, since ancient times, developed an advanced civilization that gave rise to many of the foremost discoveries of mankind. Philosophy, astronomy, mathematics, and statecraft among many other things.

If we are to look at India in epochs, we can classify it in four distinct stages; initially a diverse society of various kingdoms that were bound by the common thread of Hinduism that included present-day eastern Iran, Afghanstan, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Myanmar, and of course, present-day India. The second stage in Indian history is the Jain/Buddhist period (from circa 6th century BCE). This, although considered as "part" of Hinduism (as an umbrella), represented divergent philosophies from the ones prevalent at that time (there are 6 main schools of thought within Hinduism, Jain and Buddhist form two more and the last one is atheist called Carvaka).

The Buddhist period saw a rapid rise in "soft" expansion - Buddhism being spread from the far corners of Afghanistan to southern India and of course, all of South-East and East Asia. During this "Buddhist" period, India saw tremendous growth in all sectors of society; it was the foremost place on the planet as far as human potential was concerned. The first university in the world, called Takshashila (in present-day Pakistan), was the center of learning for scholars around the world. Nalanda was another well known university that was created in the latter half of the 6th century CE.

The third period in Indian history begins with the Muslim invasions in the beginning of the 8th century CE (712CE by Muhammad bin Qasim from the Ummayad Caliphate from Damascus, Syria). This began the cataclysmic decline of India over a long and bloody millenium.

The fourth period in Indian history is the British invasion India through the East India Company (East Empire Company of Skyrim? LOL). Their rule was officially from 1858 to 1947 but the East India Company dug its claws into India from the early part of the 17th century CE.

It is not a coincidence that the two main industries of the "Industrial Revolution" started with steel and textiles; both of which were the forte of India (metallurgy and textiles of various kinds).

Christopher Columbus, after the expedition of Vasco da Gama to India, was desperate to find India. In those days, all roads led to India. That is why India was invaded repeatedly (by Alexander of Macedonia, then the Muslims, then the Portugese and British).

I will leave this video here for you to watch: http://youtu.be/xRloJjKQa70

A well-known journalist, S Gurumurthy describes not only the accurate history of India, economically speaking, but the lacunae in the mindset of Indians themselves today - hence the hilarious title of the video.

The simple fact is that for the past 150 years or so, India more or less has been an economic basket case primarily due to the repeated invasions starting from the 8th century to the 20th century as well as centrifugal forces that were exacerbated by the British in making Indians severely divided and disunited. For instance, prior to the British' arrival, Indian society was comprised of around 300 "castes" (jati is the correct word for occupational based division of labor/lifestyle). The British conducted the first census in India in 1871 and created more than 6000 castes. They had a caste for robbers called "Cullers". LOL..

Couple this with an eviscerated economy, Indian society was ripped apart, its educational system in tatters, and its so-called intelligentsia modeled after foreign systems not only alien to India, but actually inimical to it.

According to Angus Maddison, India's economic output from 1 CE to 1600 CE was more than 1/4th of the world's output. China was ahead for about a century until around 1700. Then India again overtook China and led the world economically until 1830. This study, btw, was conducted under the auspices of the OECD countries (26 richest nations on the planet today).

The industrialization of Europe was directly proportional to the deindustrialization of India (and China to some extent).

India has always been a decentralized society; decentralized religion (Hinduism), and decentralized governance - "panchayat" style where each village was a self-sustaining entity and the suzerainty of the monarchs had little direct effect on the villages themselves.

It is impossible to capture the wonder that is India in a few posts or even a few books. One must do one's own research and arrive at one's conclusions.

Some books I recommend are:

1.) Breaking India by Rajiv Malhotra - http://www.breakingindia.com/

2.) Being Different by Rajiv Malhotra - http://beingdifferentbook.com/

Indian society today, formulated laws based on foreign societies (England) and its sense of self leads to confusion for most Indians.

Many Indians have no clue as to the history of their country; they have been told what to think of themselves and their society and history by foreigners who have neither known India nor ever visited it!

Watch the video I linked to above - it presents a succinct answer of the very question you asked.

This is largely true, but I would say European industrialisation wasn't just due to foreign exploitation. I'm not discounting it, but the Enlightenment and scientific discoveries were also factor.
 

mammador

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Re-read my OP and the article.

lol.. Call this a weird analogy, but it's like a 350-pound man criticising a 320-pound man by saying "yo, you fat fuck! Lose some fucking weight!!" lolo..

Yes, India has problems. Look, NO human society is and ever has been perfect. However, China has issues too, which to a large extent mirror and exceed India's. You're still suggesting that India is somehow worse off than China, and this is bull.
 

pmv

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Not sure its wise to wade into this contentious topic, but here goes...

One issue seems to be that India never had the land reform that China did. Everyone is quick to point out what a disaster the forced collectivization in China was, but nobody seems to talk much about the stage before that, the breaking up of the big estates of the absentee landlords (some of whom were apparently killed and eaten, but we'll leave that bit to one side) and distribution of land to the peasants who worked on it. I think that was something that didn't happen in India, and I think China has benefited in the long run. Parts of India are still quasi-feudal in that respect.

Another is that India has had a more elites-focussed education system, with very high-performers at the top end but many people being left behind, while China has tended to concentrate a bit more on trying to raise the general level of education.

India is a democracy - but rather a corrupt one. While China isn't so much (though there is a bit more democracy in China than is generally recognised in the West, I think) and is possibly even more corrupt. To me this seems to make China more of an all-or-nothing proposition. The absolutist centralised control means things can be managed better than in India, but it also means if things do go wrong they will probably go wrong in a very big way. I suspect if the Chinese economy falters the political consequences will be grim (just look at Chinese history), while India is more used to coping with a fairly constant level of political strife.

The politics of India seem to me to suggest its always going to have problems, but those problems are visible and constant, while China looks like somewhere that will do very well right up to the moment when it all goes horribly wrong.

And China didn't get screwed up by European colonialism to quite the degree that India did (though both countries were hugely affected by it)

Oh, and it shouldn't be ignored that India is an extremely ethnically and linguistically diverse country. Its more akin to the EU than the US, in that respect. Its lasted a lot longer than I suspect the EU is going to.
 
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Oh, and none of what I said should be taken as implying that 'the West' is necessarily going to do any better, politically or economically...
 

mammador

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The Chinese elect their leaders, but there's hardly competing parties like in India, the US, or any other liberal democracy. Also, Chinese generally hold less rights afforded. China also was never a colony. Hong Kong and Macau yes but these are just two small cities compared to China itself.
 

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One issue seems to be that India never had the land reform that China did. Everyone is quick to point out what a disaster the forced collectivization in China was, but nobody seems to talk much about the stage before that, the breaking up of the big estates of the absentee landlords (some of whom were apparently killed and eaten, but we'll leave that bit to one side) and distribution of land to the peasants who worked on it.

Did happen post-independence. Theres still a land ownership limit of 100 acres/person(?).

Oh, and it shouldn't be ignored that India is an extremely ethnically and linguistically diverse country. Its more akin to the EU than the US, in that respect. Its lasted a lot longer than I suspect the EU is going to.

The Indian union might outlast EU, but the diversity wont.
 

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Democracy is actually not very efficient for developing countries trying to rapidly improve their infrastructure.

When you have an oligarchy, you can tell people to move out of the way to build trains, airports, etc. without worrying about every single person's welfare.

Are there some people in China pissed at their government for violating their rights? Yes.

Are most people also very happy with the progress that China has made in the last 25 years from poverty and hunger to the world's 2nd largest economy? Yes.

Just remember, democracy is just a luxury when you are starving to death. Only when you are fed and healthy, you can then starting thinking about it. You can't propel everybody out of poverty very fast if you let everyone have a say.
 

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lol.. Call this a weird analogy, but it's like a 350-pound man criticising a 320-pound man by saying "yo, you fat fuck! Lose some fucking weight!!" lolo..

Yes, India has problems. Look, NO human society is and ever has been perfect. However, China has issues too, which to a large extent mirror and exceed India's. You're still suggesting that India is somehow worse off than China, and this is bull.

You obviously can't read. You're reading some kind of an attack on India or China when there isn't any.
 

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This is going to be a long one, so try to stay with me.

First and foremost, do not get information on India from Western, Muslim, or Communist sources (that includes so-called Indians themselves who are disillusioned with their identity).

The NYTimes, among other publications from the West, are awfully lazy when it comes to reporting on India; they rely on stereotypes, superficial analysis, and an archaic mindset (of many Cold War bureaucrats from the West) when analyzing India which is extremely complex and unequivocally the most diverse civilization on the planet.

Anyway, on to a short "primer" of (recent) Indian history.

India, since ancient times, developed an advanced civilization that gave rise to many of the foremost discoveries of mankind. Philosophy, astronomy, mathematics, and statecraft among many other things.

If we are to look at India in epochs, we can classify it in four distinct stages; initially a diverse society of various kingdoms that were bound by the common thread of Hinduism that included present-day eastern Iran, Afghanstan, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Myanmar, and of course, present-day India. The second stage in Indian history is the Jain/Buddhist period (from circa 6th century BCE). This, although considered as "part" of Hinduism (as an umbrella), represented divergent philosophies from the ones prevalent at that time (there are 6 main schools of thought within Hinduism, Jain and Buddhist form two more and the last one is atheist called Carvaka).

The Buddhist period saw a rapid rise in "soft" expansion - Buddhism being spread from the far corners of Afghanistan to southern India and of course, all of South-East and East Asia. During this "Buddhist" period, India saw tremendous growth in all sectors of society; it was the foremost place on the planet as far as human potential was concerned. The first university in the world, called Takshashila (in present-day Pakistan), was the center of learning for scholars around the world. Nalanda was another well known university that was created in the latter half of the 6th century CE.

The third period in Indian history begins with the Muslim invasions in the beginning of the 8th century CE (712CE by Muhammad bin Qasim from the Ummayad Caliphate from Damascus, Syria). This began the cataclysmic decline of India over a long and bloody millenium.

The fourth period in Indian history is the British invasion India through the East India Company (East Empire Company of Skyrim? LOL). Their rule was officially from 1858 to 1947 but the East India Company dug its claws into India from the early part of the 17th century CE.

It is not a coincidence that the two main industries of the "Industrial Revolution" started with steel and textiles; both of which were the forte of India (metallurgy and textiles of various kinds).

Christopher Columbus, after the expedition of Vasco da Gama to India, was desperate to find India. In those days, all roads led to India. That is why India was invaded repeatedly (by Alexander of Macedonia, then the Muslims, then the Portugese and British).

I will leave this video here for you to watch: http://youtu.be/xRloJjKQa70

A well-known journalist, S Gurumurthy describes not only the accurate history of India, economically speaking, but the lacunae in the mindset of Indians themselves today - hence the hilarious title of the video.

The simple fact is that for the past 150 years or so, India more or less has been an economic basket case primarily due to the repeated invasions starting from the 8th century to the 20th century as well as centrifugal forces that were exacerbated by the British in making Indians severely divided and disunited. For instance, prior to the British' arrival, Indian society was comprised of around 300 "castes" (jati is the correct word for occupational based division of labor/lifestyle). The British conducted the first census in India in 1871 and created more than 6000 castes. They had a caste for robbers called "Cullers". LOL..

Couple this with an eviscerated economy, Indian society was ripped apart, its educational system in tatters, and its so-called intelligentsia modeled after foreign systems not only alien to India, but actually inimical to it.

According to Angus Maddison, India's economic output from 1 CE to 1600 CE was more than 1/4th of the world's output. China was ahead for about a century until around 1700. Then India again overtook China and led the world economically until 1830. This study, btw, was conducted under the auspices of the OECD countries (26 richest nations on the planet today).

The industrialization of Europe was directly proportional to the deindustrialization of India (and China to some extent).

India has always been a decentralized society; decentralized religion (Hinduism), and decentralized governance - "panchayat" style where each village was a self-sustaining entity and the suzerainty of the monarchs had little direct effect on the villages themselves.

It is impossible to capture the wonder that is India in a few posts or even a few books. One must do one's own research and arrive at one's conclusions.

Some books I recommend are:

1.) Breaking India by Rajiv Malhotra - http://www.breakingindia.com/

2.) Being Different by Rajiv Malhotra - http://beingdifferentbook.com/

Indian society today, formulated laws based on foreign societies (England) and its sense of self leads to confusion for most Indians.

Many Indians have no clue as to the history of their country; they have been told what to think of themselves and their society and history by foreigners who have neither known India nor ever visited it!

Watch the video I linked to above - it presents a succinct answer of the very question you asked.

Awesome! Thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for. I'll starting to get a better handle on the history and the cause and effects that have led to the current state of India.
 
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