Can someone help me understand thinking that obesity is ok?

[Nebor]

 

[ultimatebob]

A fellow shitlord!

Obesity costs the taxpayers money for selfish decisions.

That alone makes it not okay.

This fat acceptance movement is like encouraging meth addicts to love themselves and not worry about quitting.

Stop stuffing your fucking face and get off your ass.

Marathon runners and Ironman athletes also cost us healthcare money when they get into accidents and wear out their joints. Using your logic, should we start hating on them as well?

 

[Nebor]

Marathon runners and Ironman athletes also cost us healthcare money when they get into accidents and wear out their joints. Using your logic, should we start hating on them as well?

I think you're going to have a hard time drawing any conclusive link between either one of those sporting events and joint wear. Whereas the link between obesity and a host of medical maladies is pretty well documented. I've run 5 marathons and my joints are fine.

 

[bradley]

Thread isn't about FAT, it's about OBESE.

Of which many sedentary Americans subsisting on a typical supermarket diet have metabolic syndrome as skinny-fat people.

I don't care how skinny you appear, if you have a dedicated gaming/theater room and spend an inordinate amount of your days sitting on the glutes eating refined carbs, you likely have a fatty liver.

As a skinny-fat person, carrying visceral fat on your organs is actually more unhealthy and dangerous than subcutaneous being carried around your midsection.

As a male, if your body fat percentage is above 15%, you have no room to talk. If your body fat is 18-20% or above you are fat/overweight. If your body fat is at 25% or above, you are in fact obese yourself.

In fact, of US adults above 20 years-old, 35% are technically obese based on body fat percentage or 69% overall are overweight. That means 7 out of ten forum participants here are likely overweight and resemble the below 120lb person with the yellowish deposits.

Jamie Aldertons DEXA BodyScan RESULTS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD6DUYZPAmU&t=17m26s

For the record, I don't own a television but do have an oft-used dedicated exercise room and therefore only have time to point fingers at myself.

 

[edro]

my mom bought us a lot of snacks and we had a "snack basket" that was basically a basket of little debbie snacks.

We had the same thing and didn't have much of a conscience about eating it either.
My parents did not know anything about healthy eating.
I remember eating ENTIRE boxes of dry Cinnamon Toast Crunch while playing NES/SNES for hours on end.
I played outside a ton as well, which is the only thing that kept me from being 200lbs in 4th grade.

I won't let my kid eat like that.

 

[inachu]

The other way to get fat is when your mom or dad use the phrase "Finnish all the food on your plate!" Just think of the ethiopian children who have no food on their plate!

That type of parenting will get your kids fatter quicker than anything else.

 

[SlitheryDee]

The other way to get fat is when your mom or dad use the phrase "Finnish all the food on your plate!" Just think of the ethiopian children who have no food on their plate!

That type of parenting will get your kids fatter quicker than anything else.

Yeah. It's poverty mentality in a time of plenty. That attitude was good once, but you have to change your behavior with the times. Now avoiding waste is arguably less important than limiting the amount of food that goes in the body for many people.

 

[rh71]

i'm inclined to agree - kids need to get out and play and run around. video games should be limited. if i ever have kids, despite the amount of games i play, i'm making sure they have the opportunity to run around like i did when i was a kid.

I have a theory about this but it's limited because I don't have teenagers yet so I don't know how things are as they age. My kids are scheduled up the wazoo with activities during the week. Baseball x2, swimming, hockey x3, and soccer. This is really just an hour or two a day but at least 4-5 times a week. This means they aren't usually looking to throw the ball around when they have free time. As a matter of fact, we don't even let them play video games unless it's Saturday or Sunday, so they make the most of it on weekends and I don't blame them. We go out biking as a family but maybe just twice a month if that.

You can't compare this to when we were kids. When we were kids, not everyone had access to electronic entertainment like we do now. We played stickball or rode bikes IN THE STREETS. Try doing that nowadays with so many drivers being distracted. I don't know - I am not feeling easy about that. We caught fireflies and set fires, and threw rocks around. As for stickball or football, try finding enough friends who are free enough to do that these days with everyone having so many activities and organized birthday parties. Play dates are scheduled because of scheduling conflicts. You go out to play something and you'll be playing mostly by yourself. While that is ok, think of the alternatives now vs. in the past.

 

[clamum]

The other way to get fat is when your mom or dad use the phrase "Finnish all the food on your plate!" Just think of the ethiopian children who have no food on their plate!

That type of parenting will get your kids fatter quicker than anything else.

LOL, yeah... no. That's how my parents raised me and I've been thin all my life. As I kid I got a lot of exercise due to being outside a ton as well.

In addition I didn't eat CONSTANTLY throughout the day and didn't eat much sugary/fatty foods (except pop, though not a huge amount of it). Those full plates I had to finish were quality food too.

 

[jagec]

The other way to get fat is when your mom or dad use the phrase "Finnish all the food on your plate!" Just think of the ethiopian children who have no food on their plate!

That type of parenting will get your kids fatter quicker than anything else.

LOL. Yup, I'm sure that's it. Quicker than anything else, I agree. You've solved obesity!

 

[TheSlamma]

Of which many sedentary Americans subsisting on a typical supermarket diet have metabolic syndrome as skinny-fat people.

I don't care how skinny you appear, if you have a dedicated gaming/theater room and spend an inordinate amount of your days sitting on the glutes eating refined carbs, you likely have a fatty liver.

As a skinny-fat person, carrying visceral fat on your organs is actually more unhealthy and dangerous than subcutaneous being carried around your midsection.

As a male, if your body fat percentage is above 15%, you have no room to talk. If your body fat is 18-20% or above you are fat/overweight. If your body fat is at 25% or above, you are in fact obese yourself.

In fact, of US adults above 20 years-old, 35% are technically obese based on body fat percentage or 69% overall are overweight. That means 7 out of ten forum participants here are likely overweight and resemble the below 120lb person with the yellowish deposits.


Jamie Aldertons DEXA BodyScan RESULTS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD6DUYZPAmU&t=17m26s

For the record, I don't own a television but do have an oft-used dedicated exercise room and therefore only have time to point fingers at myself.

Instead of a pic I made it a link so I don't gross everyone out.

Click at your own risk (picture of hearts on a table) http://cdnpix.com/show/imgs/737569438cc3729f77e3162ae01e4dcb.jpg

 

[PricklyPete]

The other way to get fat is when your mom or dad use the phrase "Finnish all the food on your plate!" Just think of the ethiopian children who have no food on their plate!

That type of parenting will get your kids fatter quicker than anything else.

My parents did that and not one of their 6 kids were overweight (and none are now as an adult). My parents put very healthy food on our plates in reasonable portions... I see absolutely no issue with that.

 

[marincounty]

It's ironic that as Americans get fatter and fatter, they live longer- according to Dr. Dean Edell.
Did you notice the great Bluesman B.B. King lived to 89 while being diabetic and huge?
How about mind your own business and concentrate on your own life and weight?
Or do want another govt program to tell you how to live?

 

[doubledeluxe]

Who gives a damn? Perhaps you should propose solutions that will work for everyone, without exception, if it bothers you.

I got you covered.

Phase 1: Eat healthy
Phase 2: Exercise
Phase 3: Profit!

Note: Some people might need to exercise more than others or eat less than others but the above steps will work for 99.99% of the population.

 

[Mai72]

It just comes down to portion control and exercise. Get out, exercise and watch what you eat. How many people even walk to the store anymore? Just read an article on how sitting for long periods of time is unhealthier than smoking.

It just astounds me how we've gone from a country that does things, to one that watches people do things on TV. Look at the biggest loser, a show that has millions of viewers. Why not put away the remote and stick to a diet/exercise regimen? Better yet, sell the damn TV and start living.

 

[Mai72]

We're defined by our habits. For most people that's it in a nutshell. If your habit is to wake up every morning at 5am so you can hit the gym then you're going to be physically fit. If you cultivate the habit of eating well day after day then you're going to reap the benefits.

But, if you make it a habit to game for hours on end and eat like shit than you're going to pay the price. This is exactly what's going to happen to a lot of young people. By sitting at their consoles/PCs for long periods of time and sucking down junk food, they are developing bad habits that will follow them into adulthood. This is a reason why obesity and type 2 diabities has spiked in young adults over the last 10 years.

 

[Nebor]

It's ironic that as Americans get fatter and fatter, they live longer- according to Dr. Dean Edell.
Did you notice the great Bluesman B.B. King lived to 89 while being diabetic and huge?
How about mind your own business and concentrate on your own life and weight?
Or do want another govt program to tell you how to live?

No stupid, I want a government program to tell other people how to live. I'm already living just fine.

 

[TheSlamma]

It's ironic that as Americans get fatter and fatter, they live longer- according to Dr. Dean Edell.
Did you notice the great Bluesman B.B. King lived to 89 while being diabetic and huge?
How about mind your own business and concentrate on your own life and weight?
Or do want another govt program to tell you how to live?

What I want is your fat not to spill over into my seat on the plane.

What I want is for you not to drive the fatwagon electric cart int he grocery store.

What I want is to not go blind at the beach

 

[TechBoyJK]

My parents did that and not one of their 6 kids were overweight (and none are now as an adult). My parents put very healthy food on our plates in reasonable portions... I see absolutely no issue with that.

I think the reason the 'finish your plate' isn't the best logic is because it can train someone to eat all the food, even if they're feeling full.

I think the proper thing to do would be to provide a child correct portion sizes, and get them to eat their portions. Not just say 'eat it all'.

 

[BoberFett]

It's ironic that as Americans get fatter and fatter, they live longer- according to Dr. Dean Edell.
Did you notice the great Bluesman B.B. King lived to 89 while being diabetic and huge?
How about mind your own business and concentrate on your own life and weight?
Or do want another govt program to tell you how to live?

Confusing correlation and causation? Check!
Base your argument on an outlier? Check!
Ignore that it's fatties who are the one's who began this with their cries of oppression while claiming it's everyone else who should mind their own business? Check!
Try to scare the non-obese with the specter of more government when that's not what's being discussed? Check!

Damn! Marincounty is 4 out of 4 on the Clueless Asshole Jumping Into A Conversation scale! That's impressive!

 

[bradley]

So yeah, sorry I go a bit against the grain. I'm sorry that I am 29 years old and spent 14% of my life in the middle east fighting the wars that were a bit against your time. I'm sorry that I am a bit agitated that I only got to see 1/3 of my kids born, and the rest I had the 'privilege' of listening to their births on a satellite phone in the middle of fucking nowhere while being mortared. I embody death and destruction so you don't have to. I embrace the art of killing people so you can eat your fried alligator skins in Florida without interruption. I apologize I am such an inconvenience to your ideals. So how about that as my public service?

Is that enough for you? Is that enough for you to accept the fact that I do not accept people being gluttonous o-beasts and representatives of America? Do I meet your standards? Is this enough for you? If so then I encourage you to shut the fuck up, and accept that I DO NOT ACCEPT that people stuff their faces and become obese because they can't control themselves. Tell me that you have life issues. Tell me. Tell me about how difficult existance is, tell me. Watch me laugh in your face. Watch me spit in your face in disgust because trust me, you have nothing on me as far as life difficulties go, and I love life. I love it to death because I've lost it 100 times over. So shut the fuck up, and stop stuffing your face. Enjoy what little you have because it's all you have, and it's all you ever will get, and it's too easy to make excuses for your own deficiencies.

First of all, I honor your sacrifice -- even if I deplore manufactured perpetual wars for the sake of commerce. Many aren't as fortunate to have been taught discipline at such a young age or to have such adorable fucking kids.

We're even on the same side in regards to creating a more healthy America, instead of the entitled gluttony that represents the worst of this great country.

We simply have different teaching styles. Tearing lesser people down and aggressively rubbing/pushing your blessing into their faces is counterproductive... and anyway, it's not your fucking responsibility. I would rather empower people with information and give them the strength to make proper decisions.

Again, I'm not judging here merely making an observation. However the below gaming dude is intelligent and articulate enough to convince himself (and perhaps others) that he's not fat due to his lifestyle. If I were his family member, friend or acquaintance, I would firmly agree to disagree and present him with enough facts to counter and overcome his very weak position. If he's smart enough to game, he's equally smart enough to eat right, stay active and stop ignoring his own body.

Gaming made me FAT?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7XVQyi7re4

 

[ultimatebob]

It's ironic that as Americans get fatter and fatter, they live longer- according to Dr. Dean Edell.
Did you notice the great Bluesman B.B. King lived to 89 while being diabetic and huge?
How about mind your own business and concentrate on your own life and weight?
Or do want another govt program to tell you how to live?

What, you're look looking forward to President Michelle Obama signing 50% junk food tax legislation and instituting "couch potato fines" when she gets elected in 2024?

 

[SlitheryDee]

Again, I'm not judging here merely making an observation. However the below gaming dude is intelligent and articulate enough to convince himself (and perhaps others) that he's not fat due to his lifestyle. If I were his family member, friend or acquaintance, I would firmly agree to disagree and present him with enough facts to counter and overcome his very weak position. If he's smart enough to game, he's equally smart enough to eat right, stay active and stop ignoring his own body.

Gaming made me FAT?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7XVQyi7re4

As far as the old man style "kids these days spend all their time playing video games" argument goes, I don't buy that as a real problem. I played games all my life. All it meant was that I consciously got into fitness early in life. I was around 13 when I made the decision on my own and for my own benefit to begin lifting weights and watching my diet.

I wasn't fit as a byproduct of all the outdoor running, jumping, and playing that I naturally should have wanted to do as a kid. I was fit because I set fitness as a personal goal of mine, worked out a good way to do it, and executed my plan successfully. I think that's a key difference. The majority of those other kids grew up to be adults, with adult responsibilities and constraints just like I did. They hit the point in life that all of us do where they no longer could or wanted to spend all day outside running about, only they hadn't yet developed the ability to keep themselves in shape despite being sedentary for long stretches like I had long before. To them it felt like they had always just done whatever they wanted and stayed fit automatically. Many of them couldn't even understand why they were gaining weight later in life. Sure enough, most of them are out of shape now, while I've basically continued my exercise and dietary habits into adulthood.

So no, I can't pin every child's obesity on video games. It would be going against my own life story if I did. I can pin it on their personal motivation to be fit though, because that's all it takes. Encouraging them to run around and play a lot isn't anything but a short term answer, because they'll rarely continue that activity into adulthood anyway. Letting them do what they want in their free time and teaching them the value of balancing that with activities that are carried out for the express purpose of staying fit will serve them better in life.

 

[OverVolt]

Facebook is getting really dumb. It was inevitable. Thanks internet.

 

[xBiffx]

Facebook is getting really dumb. It was inevitable. Thanks internet.

Ahem, getting?!?