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pcgeek11

Lifer
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Sadly he’ll force Zelensky to accept horrible terms to end the war or suffer total defeat when the U.S. weapons dries up.

Assuming Hamas doesn’t call a truce, they will get blown off the face of the earth probably by the US directly.

And then all the rage will be focused on Iran.


Hamas should be blown off the face of the earth...
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Whooosh. That is the sound of the cycle of violence going over your head.

Israel can keep killing, but so long as it does, there will be new members of a new Hamas made every day.

No I understood perfectly.

What would you do to stop the cycle without wiping Hamas off the map?
I look forward to your answer.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
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No I understood perfectly.

What would you do to stop the cycle without wiping Hamas off the map?
I look forward to your answer.
An autonomous Palestinian state, with international assistance to establish a government, and security guarantees from Israel and the international community at large.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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An autonomous Palestinian state, with international assistance to establish a government, and security guarantees from Israel and the international community at large.

Sounds good on paper, but Hamas that will never accept that?

What do you do with them (Hamas) who insists that Israel be wiped from the face of the earth?
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
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Sounds good on paper, but Hamas that will never accept that?

What do you do with them (Hamas) who insists that Israel be wiped from the face of the earth?
if you never make the offer, and you never try to make good on the offer, you will never know.

let's suppose israel *did* make my offer. hamas would then be the bad guys for real. because everyone would be like "wtf are you ruining this opportunity". for now, they are probably seen as much as terrorists as they are freedom fighters. and if you want to defeat hamas, you need to change that dynamic.
 
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gothuevos

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I sincerely doubt this but I hope it's true!

When people talk about Republicans wanting to eliminate the filibuster my question is always 'why would they want to do that' and people don't have a good answer.

You assume there's honest brokers on the other side that wouldn't hesitate to legislate their majority into power forever. They don't have to worry about mutually assured destruction if they nuke the filibuster - whatever they pass will make sure they never lose again, or at a minimum certainly prevent a Dem trifecta from ever happening.
 

fskimospy

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You assume there's honest brokers on the other side that wouldn't hesitate to legislate their majority into power forever. They don't have to worry about mutually assured destruction if they nuke the filibuster - whatever they pass will make sure they never lose again, or at a minimum certainly prevent a Dem trifecta from ever happening.
No. You don’t understand.

The Republicans eliminated the filibuster for everything they care about a while back. There’s no filibuster for cutting taxes or defunding the ACA. It is only for democratic priorities.

Republicans love the filibuster as it is.
 

gothuevos

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The Republicans eliminated the filibuster for everything they care about a while back. There’s no filibuster for cutting taxes or defunding the ACA. It is only for democratic priorities.

I assure you, they will now suddenly care about more than just cutting taxes, defunding the ACA, or judges.
 

trenchfoot

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Every time the Republicans take over the gov't they harden and reinforce their bunkers in anticipation of wrecking themselves into losers knowing the propaganda arm of their syndicate will do a bang up job of conning their way back into power like they did days ago. They further radicalize their base, corrupt as many insiders as they can and seat as many conservative activist jurists that believe the Constitution is nothing more than an obstruction to what was a party platform that got jacked into Project 2025's top down takeover of the gov't.

They know it's about the only way the party can survive, given the complete takeover of the party by corporate interests. Their legislative record fully supports this contention of which the majority of the working class party faithful have mysteriously ignored at their own peril. Yet for some unexplainable reason they seem to like being led around by their noses thinking they're in control of the gov't when their own leaders see them as mere objects to exploit to their heart's content. That these working class stiff's only concern is that they win elections and walk away with their eyes shut, fingers stuck in ears afterward is everything their political leaders ever wanted from them.

It's a glorious wondrous thing that the very folks who put them in office don't care what happens next, because their blind faith, misplaced trust and engineered hate for the godless heathen pet eaters allows them to not care about anything anymore seeing as if the "right people" are back in control again. It's just too difficult and bothersome for them to find out what's really going on because they're being happily fed with fake news and hoax conspiracy theories to keep them content yet alarmingly sensitive about anyone criticizing the choices they made. These people have trapped themselves into servitude and have been conditioned to like things that way, to love it, to defend it with all their might.

Fucking idiots I say, pissing away their self-awareness and self-interests in service of people who are only out to exploit them to the fullest extent possible while not giving a care in the world about it. These people are the perfect suckers and losers to take advantage of because they really believe they're winners that set things straight while being royally duped by their own "respected" political cadre.

edit - added the last sentence as an afterthought.
 
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trenchfoot

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I just hope they don't kill the aca. I'm fine with them renaming it Trump Care.

They really don't want to kill the ACA because they think it's a bad plan. The Republicans up on the hill wan'na kill it because it makes Trump and themselves look bad. And then there's Big Pharma, for profit Hospitals and the Health Insurance Conglomerates believing they can make a much better killing than they already are by killing the ACA first.

This is another thing Trump's working class supporters will be hit with of which they will simply ignore because believe it not, they think it would be disloyal to complain about it. Party First after all. They'll STFU, take the hit, and be more than happy that their liberal commie enemies will be suffering right along with them. It's the same mentality that sadists have and these folks think it's perfectly normal to be that way.

They've taken four years of the despised Bidenomics of which they have no idea what it is except for the fact that they were told it was a bad thing that needs to taken revenge on. That along with every other good thing the Democrats have given them that these dummies don't realize or refuse to acknowledge it's solid benefits they'll never get from the very folks they elected because their leaders told them it's the dreaded socialism they'd be supporting. These folks are willing to have their Social Security, Medicare benefits and every other social safety net program the Democrats fought hard for stripped away from them "for the good of the party". They've been brain fucked into actually believing that bullshit.

Can't get any more moronic than that.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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No. You don’t understand.

The Republicans eliminated the filibuster for everything they care about a while back. There’s no filibuster for cutting taxes or defunding the ACA. It is only for democratic priorities.

Republicans love the filibuster as it is.

If I'm not mistaken the Democrats started the filibuster elimination nonsense.

"On November 21, 2013, the Democratic-controlled Senate voted 52 to 48 to require only a majority vote to end a filibuster of all executive and judicial nominees, excluding Supreme Court nominees, rather than the three-fifths of votes previously required."

The Republicans then had a touche moment:

"On April 6, 2017, the Republican-controlled Senate voted 52 to 48 to require only a majority vote to end a filibuster of Supreme Court nominees."
 
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