Can we stop with all the FDNY and NYPD tributes already!?!

[jbod]

However, what does bother me is some firefighter from out in the sticks wearing a jacket displaying a logo from his own FD with a FDNY baseball cap. If he's paying tribute to firefighters of NY who lost their lives, then I'm fine with that. However, if he's wearing the cap so people recognize him, then this is not cool. I saw this while I was in S.C. during the holidays.

Did you ask him why he was wearing the cap? I guess not because you came up with two possible justifications on your own. And SC is not in the sticks. It is one of the finest states in the US. One of the last states untouched by the bleading heart types, if you know what I mean.

I can't believe that 4, 5, maybe 6 people are agreeing with me on this. If you others would look deep and stop being selfish you might understand why it bothers us so much to hear what you are saying! You are definatly in the minority of thought in America.

I hope they burn this thread, it's getting on my nerves.

 

[MadRat]

<<...One of the last states untouched by the bleading heart types, if you know what I mean.>>

That comment says it all. You are a common blowhard bandwagoner, probably twentysomething and a pot smoker. Well, have fun joining the crowd to figure out what you believe is right and wrong. When you make a wrong turn you'll find the crowd leaves you behind.

 

[jbod]

Whatever dude...you make absolutely no sense with that last statement.

I'm 30 BTW.

 

[SilverThief]

You're such a rebel MadRat, a true individual. .

 

[Gulzakar]

Actually, South Carolina is pretty much the sticks...if your judging its finesse by the age of the state, then you are a fool. If you are going to say its a "fine" state, then please justify it. My definition of a fine state is one that actually counts for something useful. Hell, even Idaho has potatoes...

 

[jbod]

You're an idiot...are you even American? It doesn't sound like it.

 

[jbod]

Repost:

I am not missing the point. The point is that NYPD/FD are still, as we speak, digging in the pile of OBL's excrement while all of us are sitting here debating this issue. If you don't have compassion for that then you are sad and fail to see the importance of the comercials, tributes, and ceremonies.

These things are to remind us of what is ahead in the future not what has happened in the past. If we forget what this means to us, then we are goners

 

[Ryan]

95% of americans weren't even very patriotic before 9/11. And it's pretty sad to see that it takes an act of terrorism to remind people of the patriotism. I don't know, it just bothers me that everyone is into being patriotic like it's a fad, when 6 months ago the majority of people could give a flying F*ck about it.

 

[tim0thy]

<< yea I go to stuy. Where you work? >>

i used to work at the world financial center. now they moved us off to headquarters in some god forsaken place in new jersey. literally in the middle of nowhere... i mean... i see fields and deer and stuff you just don't see in NYC.

of course, i hate it, being a new yorker.

 

[NFS4]

<< 95% of americans weren't even very patriotic before 9/11. And it's pretty sad to see that it takes an act of terrorism to remind people of the patriotism. I don't know, it just bothers me that everyone is into being patriotic like it's a fad, when 6 months ago the majority of people could give a flying F*ck about it. >>


Yup. The same people that would wipe their ass with an American flag have covered up their "&@!# Uncle Sam" bumper stickers with an American flag. And I'm sorry, when the members of Congress were singing on the steps of the Capital building singing God Bless America on 9-11, I thought I was gonna puke.

 

[Gulzakar]

You're an idiot...are you even American? It doesn't sound like it.


I'm an american, born and raised. I'm an idiot>? judging by your reaction, your not helping your pitiful cause So keep on poking, I think its funny. Show us that you have something more to offer than some patriotic psycho babble...

 

[reitz]

<< It's pretty sad when a tragic event has to happen for people to come together. >>

It is pretty sad, isn't it? What's worse, IMAO, is people using that as an excuse to criticize those who have come together.

 

[SaintAshlar]

Yes. Stop with FDNY and NYPD tributes.

They were doing what they were being paid to do.

 

[CichliSuite]

Why is it that when someone so much as hints a little contention with the way patriotism is being carried on, they are told to shut up and are accused of being anti-american? For such a free country, it seems like a very fascist state in this respect, no?

I too feel that patriotism is now being worn on the sleeve, and being used to make money. Every other day, some firefighter or cop is being deified as a hero, even though they may have had no connection with the actual rescue mission.
I have EVERY right to express my annoyance with the way the media is beating the "hero" motif to death, and it in no way implies that I am any less grateful or that I recognize the bravery and good will of the police and firefighting forces, any less than you. It just means that I don't need to be constantly remind about what I already feel.

 

[SaintAshlar]

Yes, there is an overabundance of armchair patriotism.

 

[Sachmho]

mmk. My comment: The fire-fighters basically HAD to go in and rescue those in danger... Do you know the kind of media chastitisement they would have received if they hadn't? Its just the web that is built; they would have been "villains" had they made no attempt to save those people. I am not a F^ck the government type, I just had to enlighten some of you. I suppose the tributes could stop, but they don't really bother me. I like that previous phrase: Armchair patriot. It sooo fits this situation, with some of these people.

 

[golfreak]

It bothers you guys that much that others are still paying tribute to the NYPD and FDNY, huh ??
I means it affects your life that much that people, the media are still paying tribute to those guys ?,

I have 1 word for you guys.......IGNORE.

If you see it on TV, turn to another channel.
If you're at a game, go to the bathroom, go buy a beer or something.

Its as easy as that. There are people who still think that those guys still deserve all the recognition and so do I.

 

[RGN]

MadRat and NFS4, you guys are true asses. Yes, there is an abundance of media coverage about this tragedy. But, it is not a waste of time, nor is it an inconvenience.

You guys must not have a loved one that works in public service. My father is a Police Officer and so was my Grandfather as was my Great-Grandfather (however, I am not).
When you realize that this could have happened in your own town, or even if a non-foreign terrorist incident were to take place in your town and take the life of your father, you would look at the whole situation differently.

Dammit, These people died for no reason. They died because it was their job to be there and help. NFS4 and MadRat, did you help? Did you go and dig the mangled body(s) of your coworker(s) out from under the former WTC? No, I didn't think so. If you can do the job better, please get off you ass and do it.

What would you rather the media be beating to death? The "Hunt for Osama"? There is no honor in that. If you don't like that media and their tactics then do something about it - don't sit on your ass and b!tch in an online forum.

Shut the f|_|ck up, and think before you spew your arrogant bullsh!t.

 

[SaintAshlar]

<< They died because it was their job to be there and help >>



Exactly. They had bills to pay and mouths to feed just like the rest of the 3000 who perished. Why should they get special recognition? Afterall, they were only doing their jobs.

 

[SuperTool]

Stop all the Guiliani worshipping already too. Sure he was a great mayor and cleaned up NYC, but he didn't do anything that special after 9/11 except go to funerals and look sharp. Man of the year.... Pleeease :frown:
As far as NYPD and FDNY, the people who went into those buildings sure were heroes, but all these politicians wearing FDNY hats, and the media running tributes, both trying and capitalize on these tragedies make me sick.

 

[NFS4]

<< MadRat and NFS4, you guys are true asses. Yes, there is an abundance of media coverage about this tragedy. But, it is not a waste of time, nor is it an inconvenience.

You guys must not have a loved one that works in public service. My father is a Police Officer and so was my Grandfather as was my Great-Grandfather (however, I am not).
When you realize that this could have happened in your own town, or even if a non-foreign terrorist incident were to take place in your town and take the life of your father, you would look at the whole situation differently.

Dammit, These people died for no reason. They died because it was their job to be there and help. NFS4 and MadRat, did you help? Did you go and dig the mangled body(s) of your coworker(s) out from under the former WTC? No, I didn't think so. If you can do the job better, please get off you ass and do it.

What would you rather the media be beating to death? The "Hunt for Osama"? There is no honor in that. If you don't like that media and their tactics then do something about it - don't sit on your ass and b!tch in an online forum.

Shut the f|_|ck up, and think before you spew your arrogant bullsh!t. >>


Now you are just spouting off evil for no reason:disgust:

NO ONE IS ATTACKING THE ACTUAL NYPD OR NYFD FOR WHAT THEY DID. THE MEDIA IS WHAT IS BLOWING THIS WHOLE THING OUT OF PROPORTION.

FIREMAN AND POLICEMAN ARE NOT ABOUT MEDIA COVERAGE AND TRIBUTE SPECIALS, THEY ARE ABOUT SAVING LIVES AND PROTECTING AMERICANS.

Have you even read this thread? No one is criticizing the NYPD or NYFD for what they did. As I have stated over and over, those guys WERE heros for what they did. But do we need to be reminded of it continually? As for specials on the Hunt for Osama? We don't need that either.

You people are coming in here cussing and spouting off obscenities for no reason. No one is damning your family or what they do. I'm just saying that the media is going overboard with the coverage of the NYPD and NYFD. We know what they did to help, they know what they did. You don't have to keep on telling us. We're not dense. These people do their jobs b/c that's what they are trained to do and they live for their jobs. I don't know of many firemen or police officers that do their job to get recognized. They do it to save lives and protect others. Not to be in the spotlight all the time.

What about the thousands of civilians that died in the WTC, the people on the planes, the people in the Pentagon. We hear nothing about them. For the most part, we don't hear anything about the Pentagon crash, but people DID die there too. It WASN'T just NYC. It's as if no one cares about what happened at the Pentagon or even the fourth plane that crashed in PA.

THE MEDIA ISN'T INTERESTED IN TRIBUTES TO THE CIVILIANS THAT DIED IN THE WTC OR THE PENTAGON OR THE FOURTH PLANE CRASH B/C THEY KNOW THAT NYFD AND NYPD IS EASY MONEY.

That being said, President Bush tell us to do? Get back to our normal lives, live our lives like the way it was before 9-11. It's hard to do, but we must move forward.

 

[jbod]

And I'm sorry, when the members of Congress were singing on the steps of the Capital building singing God Bless America on 9-11, I thought I was gonna puke.

As did I.

Look, I don't think you all are seeing my point. All I'm saying is that people need to realize that this hurt us a great deal. And that people should expect this. And accept it. It will only last for a short while, why can't people just deal with it.

Instead they want to mock and make fun of the whole situation. It honestly makes me upset. It is rude and incompassionate. Yet, if some spotted owl in the "great forest" is, in few opinions, being disturbed of its habitat they jump all over that. It's totally hypocritical.

I'm not going to post on this subject anymore. I don't want to offend anyone. But it's just the sign of the times I guess. We want to move on and be like we were before Sept. 11 happened. Like it never happened. These people are just in denial. And it's sad.

Have a great day.

 

[Doomguy]

The FDNY and NYPD are getting much more money from charities than the office workers. Do they deserve it? Thier job is supposed to be risky, an office worker's job isn't supposed to be. The families are also getting a pension whereas the office workers are getting workers comp.

I believe the real hereos were the ones that saved people and it wasen't there job to do so. The mayor of poughkeepsie's husband ran into the WTC to help people and was killed. He's a true hero.

I believe the unsung heroes are bigger heroes than the celebrated ones. Yes, those fire fighters and police officers that died are heroes but everyone forgets the office workers.



<< I found this comment on another board.




<< I lost my dad at the WTC. He worked in tower 1 on the 100th floor. I'm still not sure if he survived the initial crash or not. He was on the phone with a friend when the plane hit. The phone just went dead. >>



Still breaks our hearts here in NYC.

I lost a friend, he was in tower 1, around the 90th floor, with Cantor Fitzgerald.
We still do not know what happened to his body. His family does not have anything to bury.
>>



That was me on DSLReports. Sorry to hear about your friend. There's a chance they'll find his body. My mom said that they found one of my dad's coworkers. I'm pretty sure my dad survived the initial crash. The plane hit on the 92nd floor and he was on the 100th. The plane destroyed all the staircases and elavator shafts. I'm guessing my dad tried to help people and/or went up waiting for a roof top rescue. They had news choppers up in the air but no rescue choppers

 

[MadRat]

I liked hearing this...

<<Why is it that when someone so much as hints a little contention with the way patriotism is being carried on, they are told to shut up and are accused of being anti-american? For such a free country, it seems like a very fascist state in this respect, no?>>

Sure seems like people missed the original message and took it as "MadRat doesn't care about firefighters and cops". My older cousin is a cop down in Tulsa, OK. I know all of the cops in my hometown. Some of my classmates from both high school and university are now cops, troopers, and deputies. Does the WTC tragedy make them heroes? No. Did they ask for this extra attention lately? No. Judging by my cousin, I'd say alot of the attention is starting to make them feel uncomfortable because of the over-exposure.

<<I too feel that patriotism is now being worn on the sleeve, and being used to make money. Every other day, some firefighter or cop is being deified as a hero, even though they may have had no connection with the actual rescue mission. I have EVERY right to express my annoyance with the way the media is beating the "hero" motif to death, and it in no way implies that I am any less grateful or that I recognize the bravery and good will of the police and firefighting forces, any less than you. It just means that I don't need to be constantly remind about what I already feel.>>

I believe my country exists because it triumphed the good name of the Lord. True patriotism revolves around the principles of the Constitution, not the ball cap on your head or the songs you sing. I believe that exercising my rights, and taking a stand when people toe the edge of those rights, is my God-given duty as a patriot. Will I take up arms for my country to defend it? Yes. Defending the country may even mean giving up my life. Does that make me a hero? No. Its just doing the right thing.

People forget that blind patriotism is fascism. Before people trumpet their accomplishments and potential, let them first prove themselves. I owe nothing to the NYPD or FDNY. I feel sorry for the ones that are lost, true, but for crying out loud this constant "Support the NYPD and FDNY" message has worn thin. If you truly support them then personally go thank them. For the rest of us, we no longer feel a need for the phony baloney tributes on television.

 

[TheOmegaCode]

It's all publicity now.