Can you go one day without using something that has a laser in it?

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Rubycon

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I've had a laser in my mouse for quite a while.... Logitech G5... >.> But assuming I don't get on a computer then I probably could avoid it all. :awe:

G5 is NOT laser. It's optical tracking using a visible light emitting diode. The red light you see is around 630 nanometers and is from an incoherent source.

Mice using laser tracking such as the MX1000 (discontinued?), the MX revolution, etc. are using infrared laser tracking. You CAN see the laser if you look hard enough. At 780nm it's going to be very dim and certainly below class II CDRH thresholds past the lens.
 

TridenT

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G5 is NOT laser. It's optical tracking using a visible light emitting diode. The red light you see is around 630 nanometers and is from an incoherent source.

Mice using laser tracking such as the MX1000 (discontinued?), the MX revolution, etc. are using infrared laser tracking. You CAN see the laser if you look hard enough. At 780nm it's going to be very dim and certainly below class II CDRH thresholds past the lens.

I has been scammed thenz. It always said it used a laser. :'(
 

Rubycon

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I has been scammed thenz. It always said it used a laser. :'(

Do you have a scan or pic of that? While technically anything using a laser could be coined optical if it has a laser in it they will certainly label it is such.


FLIR is Long IR. We use 'em for all sorts of things from finding hotspots in electrical switchgear to detection of a human body going over the side of the ship!
 

TridenT

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Do you have a scan or pic of that? While technically anything using a laser could be coined optical if it has a laser in it they will certainly label it is such.



FLIR is Long IR. We use 'em for all sorts of things from finding hotspots in electrical switchgear to detection of a human body going over the side of the ship!

 

Jeff7

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And to think there was once a day when if you'd say, "some day laser emitters will weigh a few grams, and several would fit in a thimble," they'd say you were utterly insane.
Ahhh, technology.



Yes that IS a laser. I had a G5 that was NOT laser. It's hard to keep up with this stuff these days.

I DO hear the term "laser mouse" used a LOT and people are referring to optical mice - the ones with visible sources.
I've got the same mouse, part number and all.
The only glow visible is from a light which is meant to illuminate some of the guts; the optical sensor portion emits no light within my range of vision. My digital camera can sure see it though, and it has a very narrow beam width.
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Trident, look at the sensor on your mouse; one side should have a lens that looks smoked, and the other clear. If you angle the mouse so that the scanner can see into the clear lens portion, you might be able to pick up the laser.
 
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Gillbot

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FLIR is Long IR. We use 'em for all sorts of things from finding hotspots in electrical switchgear to detection of a human body going over the side of the ship!

Not all FLIR cameras are long IR. The long wave primarily started with the 570 series whereas the older 550 series were short wave. They both have positive attributes though, depending on application.
 

Rubycon

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And to think there was once a day when if you'd say, "some day laser emitters will weigh a few grams, and several would fit in a thimble," they'd say you were utterly insane.
Ahhh, technology.




I've got the same mouse, part number and all.
The only glow visible is from a light which is meant to illuminate some of the guts; the optical sensor portion emits no light within my range of vision. My digital camera can sure see it though, and it has a very narrow beam width.
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Trident, look at the sensor on your mouse; one side should have a lens that looks smoked, and the other clear. If you angle the mouse so that the scanner can see into the clear lens portion, you might be able to pick up the laser.

The camera has no IR filter and picks it up as pink-purple. This is common and why these cameras are poor candidates for taking pictures of things that are hot like exhaust headers. At least the purple-pink is pretty.

Not all FLIR cameras are long IR. The long wave primarily started with the 570 series whereas the older 550 series were short wave. They both have positive attributes though, depending on application.

Yes you're correct. The ones that I've used have been long IR though. It's neat to look at the bucket on an excavator that's been digging - you can see the tines that are heating up the most from friction!
 

mwmorph

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During field training exercises, I can confidently say that I don't use lasers of any kind during that time.
 

Gillbot

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Yes you're correct. The ones that I've used have been long IR though. It's neat to look at the bucket on an excavator that's been digging - you can see the tines that are heating up the most from friction!

Yeah, I've been messing with IR cameras for nearly 15 years....

I've had the opportunity to see some really neat stuff over those years. One of my favorites was troubleshooting a major automakers paint booth problems. They used an oven to cure and dry the paint, but were having QC issues. After inspecting the shells exiting the oven, we found that their heaters were not evenly curing the paint. This caused "stress fractures" in the finish subsurface that would cause cracking and flaking over time.

Another one was inspecting a major track pre-race day to ensure it was dry and free of cold spots. Cold spots on the track can cause sudden traction loss and a catastrophic crash.
 

Rubycon

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Yeah, I've been messing with IR cameras for nearly 15 years....

I've had the opportunity to see some really neat stuff over those years. One of my favorites was troubleshooting a major automakers paint booth problems. They used an oven to cure and dry the paint, but were having QC issues. After inspecting the shells exiting the oven, we found that their heaters were not evenly curing the paint. This caused "stress fractures" in the finish subsurface that would cause cracking and flaking over time.

Another one was inspecting a major track pre-race day to ensure it was dry and free of cold spots. Cold spots on the track can cause sudden traction loss and a catastrophic crash.

I had my first hands on in 1988 but honestly I was pretty stupid about the whole thing back then and just thought it was "cool". It was those things, however that sparked my interest to actually become knowledgeable in matters! The rest is history.

So after they find a cold spot on the track how do they heat it up?
 

Red Squirrel

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We have an optical switch in our server room. i would know because i looked in it by accident. People need to cover their holes when they don't use them. :/

It's odd though, it did not realy hurt the eye, it was almost like a very feint beam. Still bad for the eye though.
 

Rubycon

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We have an optical switch in our server room. i would know because i looked in it by accident. People need to cover their holes when they don't use them. :/

It's odd though, it did not realy hurt the eye, it was almost like a very feint beam. Still bad for the eye though.

That isn't going to be very strong HOWEVER the reason why it appears dim is the wavelength of the laser is in the infrared. Like your ears as the wavelength approaches the limits of your sight it's not a hard cut off. So while 650nm at 10mW may look very bright red 100mW of 980 will look like a very dull red and not appear to be harmful at all but in fact it's destroying your eyesight! NEVER, EVER stare into a beam UNLESS you know exactly what you're doing. Even so if there is any uncertainty NO RISK should be taken, ever. It's not like you can go to a store and buy new eyes. (well at least not yet!)
 

Modelworks

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Other than the mouse, I go quite a few days without using anything that contains a laser. If you take away dvd then I go probably months at a time. I happen to have a laser power meter on my desk right now, one of the very rarely used items I have. I'm actually using it to measure output levels of various IR remotes, while not lasers the meter has settings for that wavelength so it works out.
 
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