Can you name a single American president in history without blood on his hands?

[alchemize]

Cause I can't think of one. Of course, I'm no presidential historical scholar. Are there any that have not had some bloodshed on their hands, whether it be soldiers or innocents?

Follow up question...who has the most?

 

[Kenazo]

FDR, seeing as how he led the US through the most bloody war in history, even though it was a justified one. So, I guess it depends on how you chose to define your question.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Who did Jimmy Carter rough up?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Who did Jimmy Carter rough up?

Eight U.S. servicemen from the all-volunteer Joint Special Operations Group were killed in the Great Salt Desert near Tabas, Iran, on April 25, 1980, in the aborted attempt to rescue the American hostages:

Capt. Richard L. Bakke, 34, Long Beach, CA. Air Force.
Sgt. John D. Harvey, 21, Roanoke, VA. Marine Corps.
Cpl. George N. Holmes, Jr., 22, Pine Bluff, AR. Marine Corps.
Staff Sgt. Dewey L. Johnson, 32, Jacksonville, NC. Marine Corps.
Capt. Harold L. Lewis, 35, Mansfield, CT. Air Force.
Tech. Sgt. Joel C. Mayo, 34, Bonifay, FL. Air Force.
Capt. Lynn D. McIntosh, 33, Valdosta, GA. Air Force.
Capt. Charles T. McMillan II, 28, Corrytown, TN. Air Force.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Who did Jimmy Carter rough up?

Sent a few soldiers to their deaths in helicopters in Iran, IIRC.

 

[conjur]

Hoover maybe?

Did we invade anyone during the start of the Depression?

Hoover was hands-off. Even opposing retalition against Japan in 1931.

 

[Czar]

cant go 4 years without killing someone

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Who did Jimmy Carter rough up?

Sent a few soldiers to their deaths in helicopters in Iran, IIRC.

Umm, weren't they attempting to rescue Americans? It's not like Jimmy Carter invaded other nations while dropping munitions in the middle of cities . . .

Unlike his predecessors (and certainly unlike Bush) Carter (with the exception of East Timor) can lay claim to being on the just side of most conflicts and a true committment to avoiding the loss of innocent life.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Other than call of duty - Nothing while president - Both died early on in office

William Henry Harrison - General- War 1812
James Garfield - Northern General - Civil War

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: conjur
Hoover maybe?

Did we invade anyone during the start of the Depression?

Hoover was hands-off. Even opposing retalition against Japan in 1931.

Hoover believed in putting down those uppity WW1 vets. Blood on his hands too...

Link

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Cause I can't think of one. Of course, I'm no presidential historical scholar. Are there any that have not had some bloodshed on their hands, whether it be soldiers or innocents?

Follow up question...who has the most?

Are you saying that all our presidents have been criminals? Killing evil is a good thing, and American presidents (FDR, Lincoln, Reagan, Eisenhower and now Bush) have killed a lot of evil people that intended to do harm to us. Whats wrong with that?

Thank these Presidents that your here enjoying your free speech that you don't seem to appreciate

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur
Hoover maybe?

Did we invade anyone during the start of the Depression?

Hoover was hands-off. Even opposing retalition against Japan in 1931.

Hoover believed in putting down those uppity WW1 vets. Blood on his hands too...

Link

The day's toll was three dead, 54 injured and 135 arrests.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Were the deaths resulting from the failed rescue attempt a result of Carters attacking the helicopters ?
I seem to recaul that it was from a colission during an uncharted sandstorm while the vehicles were
moving into Iran, and the sand damaged the engines and rotor controls.

Perhaps if Carter had actually decided to attack Iran at the start of the hostage episode
we would have a higer regard to what he did. From that time in his Administration the
entire Republican Party worked behind his back - in violation of Government policy, to
make a backdoor deal that if they could get Reagan elected, the Iranians would release
the American hostages, this bordered on treason by the Republicans.

The alternate would have been to get Reagan elected and then attack Iran to free the hostages.

The method deployed by Carter (had it worked) would have been less dramatic than what
Reagans approach would have been.
Patriotism at it's best - All agree say AYE, those opposed ? Let's kill them.

 

[alchemize]

Here come all the Carter apologists Are you saying he didn't send soldiers into harms way? He has no blood on his hands? How deep did the USSR stick their claws into the rest of the world while he sat idly by?

Runner20: I'm not saying that at all. Don't read more into my words than what you see. I'm just asking a question.

 

[StormRider]

Unfortunately, everybody in the world has blood on their hands. You can have blood on your hands through direct methods or indirect (just standing by and doing nothing while others are being killed) methods.

 

[Infohawk]

StormRider is right. Causation is complex and pretty much everyone here in America could be sending more to help out starving, sick people, or what not. But we'd rather go to the movies. Do we have blood on our hands for practical purposes? I don't think so.

When people say one president has blood on his hands there's culpability there we don't see elsewhere. Also, I think most people are worried about the blood of innocent life when they talk about bloody hands, rather than all-volunteer special unit forces. Nobody wants to see troops die, but when they volunteer and have weapons to defend themselves, it's not the same as an apartment building being blown up.

 

[Red Dawn]

I forget his name but there was one President that was only in office a month before he died (Caught a cold at the inauguration) He probably doesn't have any blood on his hands.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I forget his name but there was one President that was only in office a month before he died (Caught a cold at the inauguration) He probably doesn't have any blood on his hands.

It was Harrison. He was already mentioned by someone though.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I forget his name but there was one President that was only in office a month before he died (Caught a cold at the inauguration) He probably doesn't have any blood on his hands.

It was Harrison. He was already mentioned by someone though.

DOH!!!!

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I forget his name but there was one President that was only in office a month before he died (Caught a cold at the inauguration) He probably doesn't have any blood on his hands.

It was Harrison. He was already mentioned by someone though.

Based on his history, he would've been a doozy. He'd had quite a history with the Indians. I'll have to see if I can find any history of the army doing anything nasty during that month I bet, given the times, he's got something.

 

[GrGr]

Jimmy Carter began the US support of the islamist fundamentalists in Afghanistan in 1979, which of course led to the death and misery of millions. As you know Afghanistan still hasn't recovered.

 

[JupiterJones]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Cause I can't think of one. Of course, I'm no presidential historical scholar. Are there any that have not had some bloodshed on their hands, whether it be soldiers or innocents?

Follow up question...who has the most?

The most would easily be Lincoln.

Jup

 

[datrada]

yeah of course, clinton washed it all off!

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I forget his name but there was one President that was only in office a month before he died (Caught a cold at the inauguration) He probably doesn't have any blood on his hands.

It was Harrison. He was already mentioned by someone though.

Based on his history, he would've been a doozy. He'd had quite a history with the Indians. I'll have to see if I can find any history of the army doing anything nasty during that month I bet, given the times, he's got something.

Yeah, I was going to comment on the fact that, because of who he was, there is no way his hands would have stayed clean.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: JupiterJones

Originally posted by: alchemize
Cause I can't think of one. Of course, I'm no presidential historical scholar. Are there any that have not had some bloodshed on their hands, whether it be soldiers or innocents?

Follow up question...who has the most?

The most would easily be Lincoln.

Jup

Well, that would be the most American blood, but overall, FDR or Truman would have the most because of World War 2 and, for Truman, Korea.