Can you survive on wine if there is no water?

[Cappuccino]

I'm worried if my piss will turn into a banana,

 

[silverpig]

Wine is 8 to 14%, but yeah, way too strong to live on with a normal human liver. Keith Richards like people my be able to live OK :biggrin:

A doctor friend of mine said they have a 30/30 rule for liver damage from drinking. Unless the person has had 30 drinks a day, every day for 30 years, they don't even consider liver damage.

Now obviously if you have 60 drinks in one sitting with 15 acetaminophen pills, you can mess your liver up in one go, but the point is that having 4 beers a day for a year will do absolutely no damage to 99+% of the livers out there. 2 bottles of wine a day for a year won't do anything either.

 

[Phoenix86]

Wine? You gotta be kidding me.

You can't hydrate yourself even on beer due to meager 5% alcohol. You'll get drunk and eventually puke at 10-20+ cans with ZERO source of other water, no matter what your tolerance level is.

Wine is like 12-16%. Forget about it.

:sneaky:

 

[zinfamous]

Pretty sure that's not true. The original reason people drank beer was as a substitute for shitty quality drinking water.

Beer and Rum were all you could drink for months at sea. None of that killed these people--the water would have, though.

 

[Drako]

A doctor friend of mine said they have a 30/30 rule for liver damage from drinking. Unless the person has had 30 drinks a day, every day for 30 years, they don't even consider liver damage.

Now obviously if you have 60 drinks in one sitting with 15 acetaminophen pills, you can mess your liver up in one go, but the point is that having 4 beers a day for a year will do absolutely no damage to 99+% of the livers out there. 2 bottles of wine a day for a year won't do anything either.

LOL @ the 30/30 rule. Your doctor friend sounds like a quack.

 

[IronWing]

This is why you don't let Jesus on the caravan.

 

[dainthomas]

Beer and Rum were all you could drink for months at sea. None of that killed these people--the water would have, though.

This. In pretty much all of Europe the water would have killed you much faster.

 

[CA19100]

Beer, yes. 4% alcohol content would be OK.

4%? That's not a beer worth drinking. :biggrin:

 

[momeNt]

Beer and Rum were all you could drink for months at sea. None of that killed these people--the water would have, though.

This.

They would arrive home with scurvy because beer has no vitamin C, and whatever else you get when you don't have any protein or fat.

 

[OutHouse]

beer is a perfectly good substitute for water, our ancestors used to drink it instead of water because it was safer. I can't remember at what % alcohol it becomes bad for you but i'd guess wine was perfectly fine as well, the french sure seemed to survive on it.

if you run a marathon drinking a couple of beers is actually good for you.

yup beer saved millions of lives in the middle ages. too bad it took several hundred more years for them to realize that boiling water is what made water safe.

 

[zinfamous]

This.

They would arrive home with scurvy because beer has no vitamin C, and whatever else you get when you don't have any protein or fat.

The "funny" thing is that when the British Navy started sucking on limes (hence, "Limies") to combat scruvy at the advice of a brilliant physician, this was a miracle treatment--I believe this was discovered in the 18th/19th century?

But when WW1, or maybe it was WW2 rolled around, limes were scarce and extremely expensive--or anyway they were hard to come by. Lemons were suggested as an equal alternative, without the lost knowledge that the vitamin C complement was greatly reduced when compared to Limes. As a result, scurvy returned in full force for quite some time.

 

[bignateyk]

yup beer saved millions of lives in the middle ages. too bad it took several hundred more years for them to realize that boiling water is what made water safe.

I'm sure someone figured it out sooner. If I figured it out I would have kept it on the down-low. Why ruin beer drinking for everyone? :awe:

 

[PenguinPower]

A doctor friend of mine said they have a 30/30 rule for liver damage from drinking. Unless the person has had 30 drinks a day, every day for 30 years, they don't even consider liver damage.

Now obviously if you have 60 drinks in one sitting with 15 acetaminophen pills, you can mess your liver up in one go, but the point is that having 4 beers a day for a year will do absolutely no damage to 99+% of the livers out there. 2 bottles of wine a day for a year won't do anything either.

Yea...try if you are over 30 and average more than 30 standard drinks a week while drinking every day.

 

[bignateyk]

Yea...try if you are over 30 and average more than 30 standard drinks a week while drinking every day.

Yeah I'm pretty sure if you drank 30 drinks a day for more than about a week you'd be dead.

 

[OverVolt]

A doctor friend of mine said they have a 30/30 rule for liver damage from drinking. Unless the person has had 30 drinks a day, every day for 30 years, they don't even consider liver damage.

Now obviously if you have 60 drinks in one sitting with 15 acetaminophen pills, you can mess your liver up in one go, but the point is that having 4 beers a day for a year will do absolutely no damage to 99+% of the livers out there. 2 bottles of wine a day for a year won't do anything either.

Correct, beer is actually alot like fructose in terms of the number of calories that hit your liver for processing. If you had 4 cans of soda a day would you have liver damage? No, duh. They both give you a "beer belly" though

 

[OverVolt]

Yeah I'm pretty sure if you drank 30 drinks a day for more than about a week you'd be dead.

Well alcoholism would be your body processes about one drink an hour and you would have to drink enough booze throughout the day to keep ethanol in your body frequently enough that you build a tolerance to it and become dependent on it. 30 sounds about right. That would be a 6 beer buzz 24/7.

There is a reason that recovering alcoholics in hospitals will try and drink the hand sanitizer and shit like I saw on Intervention.

There is no way I could be an alcoholic 3 beers makes me sick for 2 days just clarifying.

 

[Gooberlx2]

I thought people in the middle ages pretty much didn't drink water because clean water was so hard to come by, at least in the more densely populated areas, like Paris.

One reason the Romans built the aqueducts to bring water in from distant sources. In urban areas, like Rome, all their local sources were tapped or polluted.

 

[Mxylplyx]

I think many a person in Europe sustained themselves on beer during the plague as they didn't feel the water was safe to drink.

 

[Drako]

The "funny" thing is that when the British Navy started sucking on limes (hence, "Limies") to combat scruvy at the advice of a brilliant physician, this was a miracle treatment--I believe this was discovered in the 18th/19th century?

But when WW1, or maybe it was WW2 rolled around, limes were scarce and extremely expensive--or anyway they were hard to come by. Lemons were suggested as an equal alternative, without the lost knowledge that the vitamin C complement was greatly reduced when compared to Limes. As a result, scurvy returned in full force for quite some time.

Lemons have more Vitamin C than Limes do, so I call shens on your "theory".

 

[silverpig]

Yeah I'm pretty sure if you drank 30 drinks a day for more than about a week you'd be dead.

Uh, alcoholics do this regularly. One of my friends' brothers got into a pretty bad spot and for about a year his breakfast was a 26er of rum. He'd have 40-50 drinks a day for several months, then went into detox and is fine now, but he's not dead.

 

[silverpig]

LOL @ the 30/30 rule. Your doctor friend sounds like a quack.

Pretty much the first google link

Risk factor for men:
Quantity of alcohol taken: consumption of 60–80g per day (about 75–100 ml/day) for 20 years or more in men

A standard drink is 18 mL of alcohol in the US, so that's 5-6 drinks a day every day for 20 years is a "risk factor", and that will likely lead to the first stage of ALD, which is reversible by stopping drinking for 2 weeks.

1/4 of people who get through stage 1 get to stage 2, which is also reversible.

To get to cirrhosis (3rd stage), you have to nuke the shit out of your liver. This is where you do permanent damage.

So 5-6 drinks a day, every day, for 20 years will get you to stage 1. You have to drink more than that to be one of the 1/4 who get to stage 2. You have to drink even more to get to stage 3 and do permanent damage.

Your liver is quite resilient and is very good at its job. You basically have to TRY to kill it.

 

[sourceninja]

Lemons have more Vitamin C than Limes do, so I call shens on your "theory".

Plus if I remember right the navy started in the 1700's to use Grog (a drink made of rum watered down and mixed with lemon juice and spices) instead of beer/rum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grog

 

[W.C. Nimoy]

Maybe for a good while in perfect conditions, indoors, a/c, no physical exertion, depending on the rest of your diet, etc. Under normal circumstances, I think you're just going to keep getting thirstier & thirstier, and that wine is going to start tasting more & more poisonous!

 

[Auric]

Beer and Rum were all you could drink for months at sea. None of that killed these people--the water would have, though.

Ehh, seems dubious on account of expense if nothing else. Even essential victuals would be prone to cost-cutting and corruption/substitution. Rum was primarily used as a ration in the form of grog -i.e. heavily diluted with water, in order to pacify sailors accustomed to heavy drinking (if not alcoholics). Beer and ale were commonly consumed in cities in lieu of potable water, however their alcoholic content was relatively low.

 

[Drako]

Pretty much the first google link

Risk factor for men:
Quantity of alcohol taken: consumption of 60–80g per day (about 75–100 ml/day) for 20 years or more in men

A standard drink is 18 mL of alcohol in the US, so that's 5-6 drinks a day every day for 20 years is a "risk factor", and that will likely lead to the first stage of ALD, which is reversible by stopping drinking for 2 weeks.

1/4 of people who get through stage 1 get to stage 2, which is also reversible.

To get to cirrhosis (3rd stage), you have to nuke the shit out of your liver. This is where you do permanent damage.

So 5-6 drinks a day, every day, for 20 years will get you to stage 1. You have to drink more than that to be one of the 1/4 who get to stage 2. You have to drink even more to get to stage 3 and do permanent damage.

Your liver is quite resilient and is very good at its job. You basically have to TRY to kill it.

6 drinks a day is quite a bit different than the 30 drinks a day your "doctor" said was OK. :biggrin: