Canada back to a Balanced Budget.

[Northern Lawn]

If you believe you can do a better job of keeping the global peace, by all means I welcome Canada's military to step up to the plate.

What do you think Canada should do? I mean the America middle east policy is a disaster as far as i'm concerned. I don't think you should be there at all so if we had a much larger military would be supporting the american middle east policy. I don't want to pay one dollar for that.

When you were attacked by Afghanistan (sort of) everybody was with you. That's the NATO agreement and the moral thing to do. We could have had better equipment for sure but we put boots on the ground and are still there and have had 158 causalities and counting.
You can look at them here. http://therecord.blogs.com/canadian_casualties_in_af/

All their lives were squandered because america did not follow through itself on afghanistan, 13 year holding pattern, what a waste. We should have pulled out the minute Bush went for Iraq.

I'm so proud that our Prime Minister at the time said NO WAY to having Canadian troops participate in that fiasco. Instead you got new allies... the "New Europe" lol.

Btw, when one of your new allies, Georgia, was invaded by Russia a few years back, Bush didn't do anything to help them, lol.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I like to think the world has an obligation to help innocent citizens from their unruly leaders.

[snip]


The U.S. doesn't always do things right the first time, but at least we're trying, which is a helluva lot more than can be said about any of the other countries who only talk about wanting global peace and do squat to actually help achieve it.

What a breathtakingly ignorant statement.

"More than 125,000 Canadians have participated in United Nations and NATO peacekeeping duties throughout the world. That is more Peacekeepers than any other country."

Peacekeepers have helped to make the world a better place in which to live. The Nobel Committee recognized the good work that UN Peacekeepers have been doing by awarding them the Nobel Peace Prize in 1988.

Canada has honoured its Peacekeepers, past, present and future, by dedicating a monument to their service and dedication. The monument was unveiled in Ottawa, ON in October 1992. The Canadian Peacekeepers Service Medal is awarded to all Canadians who serve with peacekeeping missions.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/kcic1/peacekeepers.html

 

[MagickMan]

The US progs say that a balanced budget is very bad, obviously you're doing it wrong.

If we could stop policing the "Free World" we'd be flush too. Not to say Canada hasn't assisted, they have some crack troops, but it's nearly 80/1 in expenses.

 

[AViking]

America did wondrous work for the people of Japan and South Korea but I believe that is a testament of the strength of those cultures and that was decades ago, you ain't done sh*t in Afghanistan. You created a more dictatorships than democracies and now your own is in jeopardy.

Your military has been funded by the chinese NOT the american taxpayer in the last 13 years. Wait till china hands you the bill for the last 13 years of war, maybe we should thank the chinese for global peace? LOL.

I actually feel bad for america now they can't even get into space without hitchhiking a ride with the russians, that must be humbling and who are we supposed to hitch a ride with? I was actually thinking about that the entire time I was watching Gravity.

Anyway, a stock market crash is one thing but a Dollar crash is another. If what peter shiff says is true we are going to be living in some interesting times.

Japan, Germany, and the Marshall plan are really a different thing altogether and I'm pretty sure nobody here is arguing about the validity of fighting in world war II.

Korea, Vietnam, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Cold War, etc were because of a failed policy and fear of the domino effect. Not sure what has happened since WWII, and maybe it existed before, but the US is afraid of just about everything and the public supports poor decision makers. For some reason Americans are really gullible and fall for an argument between two choices without realizing that there are more options. Republic vs Democrats. You're either with us or you're against us. We either invade Iraq or they use WMD against us and our allies. All of those are idiotic arguments yet Americans fall for it.

You then have another subset of American policy and that is "the protection of our way of life". This entails deposing of leaders who do not bow down to us and our need for petroleum. I'll be honest I support this policy in some ways. However what I don't support is nation building in that part of the world and our inability to fight wars to win. The Gulf War had a mission of getting Iraq out of Kuwait. Mission accomplished and we went home. Except we didn't. We proceeded to have a military presence there that remains until this day. I know we were protecting the Kurds but if we really were that concerned with the Kurds we would have been all up in Turkey's grill too. Kurds smurds that's a crock of shit and not why we were there. We definitely weren't there to protect the Iraqis. Our sanctions killed tons of them.

If the US was truly about humanitarian missions and doing the right thing then we would have helped out Cambodia when Pol Pot killed 25% of the population or sent in the military to Rwanda when a million people were slaughtered with machetes over the course of 100 days. We would have been in the Sudan and countless other places. We don't go to these places since we don't spend our treasure on wars that don't yield a profit for a select few. It's a you scratch my back I scratch yours. Send in the military, get the military complex and oil industry insanely wealthy, and get them to fund your campaigns. Pretty simple really. Sorry Rwanda but you have too few natural resources to help out. Sudan? We should be in there strip mining the joint. Why did we miss this opportunity?!

I was happy that NATO told Russia and the UN to go fuck themselves and intervened in the Balkans but besides that have we really done the right thing anywhere in recent memory? Afghanistan and Iraq are dismal failures. If we gave a shit about innocent civilians we would be in Syria. The truth is that we need to just mind our own business and stop meddling in everyone elses affairs in an effort to secure their resources.

We're going to be in for a rude awakening. Afghanistan has tons of mineral resources that they're going to probably sell to China before the US. So we just wasted tons of money there for no reason and look like bigger idiots than the Soviet Union did. Iraq was a major loss. There is no moral high ground in any of these conflicts. Just a few people making lots of money and a lot of brown people dying and having their futures destroyed.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Ah - social medicine and you aren't financially ruined.

Wait,.. your citizens are dieing in the hospitals though, right?

Because thats what opposers of social medicine in the USA keep telling us; social medicine = dead due to an untreated sucking chest wound, where you are left to wait in the hallway as indifferent doctors and nurses walk by.

Health"care" is a fucking joke in the US.

 

[Paratus]

People need to stop making fun of Canada's military or they are going to send the tank after you!

 

[Northern Lawn]

Ah - social medicine and you aren't financially ruined.

Wait,.. your citizens are dieing in the hospitals though, right?

Yeah they die in the hospital I suppose rather than the street, lol. Well, unless they get hit by a car or something. No medical bankruptcy here either...more or less.

 

[Orignal Earl]

People need to stop making fun of Canada's military or they are going to send the tank after you!

That makes as much sense as a bunch of geeks strutting around like they led the charge at Iwo Jima

Now..who's up for some BF4 on PS4

 

[Incorruptible]

Ah - social medicine and you aren't financially ruined.

Wait,.. your citizens are dieing in the hospitals though, right?

Because thats what opposers of social medicine in the USA keep telling us; social medicine = dead due to an untreated sucking chest wound, where you are left to wait in the hallway as indifferent doctors and nurses walk by.

Health"care" is a fucking joke in the US.

Another leftist idiot. The free market is still superior and since you're so ignorant you conveniently forgot the higher tax rates in Canada.

 

[Zxian]

Another leftist idiot. The free market is still superior and since you're so ignorant you conveniently forgot the higher tax rates in Canada.

And yet the portion of my taxes that goes towards health care is still less than yours. Care to explain, or are you just going to call me a commie?

A friend of mine broke his collarbone a few years ago. Got an ambulance ride to the hospital, relatively speedy care (he was in and out of there in about 5 hours), and all the medication he needed. Total bill - $50 for the fancy taxi ride. No paperwork, no futzing with insurance, just treatment.

 

[fskimospy]

Another leftist idiot. The free market is still superior and since you're so ignorant you conveniently forgot the higher tax rates in Canada.

They spend a smaller percentage of their GDP on it than we do. A dollar is a dollar, no matter how it comes out of your pocket.

The free market has been shown to be inferior in basically every analysis I am aware of. If you want to say the free market is better, then show some evidence.

 

[michal1980]

They spend a smaller percentage of their GDP on it than we do. A dollar is a dollar, no matter how it comes out of your pocket.

The free market has been shown to be inferior in basically every analysis I am aware of. If you want to say the free market is better, then show some evidence.

And now the truth comes out.

Time to restart the USSR for eskimospy.

 

[fskimospy]

And now the truth comes out.

Time to restart the USSR for eskimospy.

You're a dumbass. This is clearly a discussion about health care, not economics as a whole.

 

[KB]

Well done Canada. It still amazes me that the dollar is actually trading higher than the loonie by about 10%, despite massive amount of printing by the Fed. One day the US dollar will trade to the loonie like the peso trades to the dollar today. All it takes is more of the same from our government.

 

[BUnit1701]

They spend a smaller percentage of their GDP on it than we do. A dollar is a dollar, no matter how it comes out of your pocket.

The free market has been shown to be inferior in basically every analysis I am aware of. If you want to say the free market is better, then show some evidence.

Perhaps you would like to enlighten us to where truly free market healthcare has been tried in a first world country?

 

[fskimospy]

Perhaps you would like to enlighten us to where truly free market healthcare has been tried in a first world country?

There is no such thing as a truly free market anywhere, silly question.

We do know that as state involvement decreases, costs increase however.

 

[Zxian]

Perhaps you would like to enlighten us to where truly free market healthcare has been tried in a first world country?

Care to explain why someone profiting on health care is a good idea? You're assuming that the common individual knows when a medical professional is giving them valid information.

 

[Incorruptible]

They spend a smaller percentage of their GDP on it than we do. A dollar is a dollar, no matter how it comes out of your pocket.

The free market has been shown to be inferior in basically every analysis I am aware of. If you want to say the free market is better, then show some evidence.

They also have rationing and less freedom with it. Healthcare isn't a right and why should people have to pay for someone elses healthcare especially when that person is abusing their body?

Socialism has been shown to be inferior in basically every analysis I am aware of. If you want to say socialism is better, then show some evidence.

 

[fskimospy]

They also have rationing and less freedom with it. Healthcare isn't a right and why should people have to pay for someone elses healthcare especially when that person is abusing their body?

Socialism has been shown to be inferior in basically every analysis I am aware of. If you want to say socialism is better, then show some evidence.

So I'm going to take that as a 'no, I don't have any evidence'.

Shocker.

 

[Zxian]

Socialism has been shown to be inferior in basically every analysis I am aware of. If you want to say socialism is better, then show some evidence.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2008/nov/16/sweden-tax-burden-welfare

I can get more, but I'll start you off slow.

 

[Orignal Earl]

They also have rationing and less freedom with it. Healthcare isn't a right and why should people have to pay for someone elses healthcare especially when that person is abusing their body?

Socialism has been shown to be inferior in basically every analysis I am aware of. If you want to say socialism is better, then show some evidence.

Rationing and less freedom?
Out of the thousands of things people complain about the US system, all you hear about is having to wait 5 months for a hip replacement with the Canadian system.

 

[iGas]

I like to think the world has an obligation to help innocent citizens from their unruly leaders.

How many people died from Pol Pot? From Mao Tse Tung?

Go back to Hitler, Mussilini, & Hirohito.

Do you believe the citizens of South Korea would prefer to be under the leadership of Kim Jong-Un?

Saddam Hussein attempted to kill every Kurdish person in his country. There was the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia.

Libya, Syria...


The U.S. doesn't always do things right the first time, but at least we're trying, which is a helluva lot more than can be said about any of the other countries who only talk about wanting global peace and do squat to actually help achieve it.

Not all of us are victims of Stockholm syndrome (kidding!)

Funny that you mentioned Pol Pot and Mao Tse Tung, as they were all US buddies.

http://www.yale.edu/cgp/us.html

B. United States Policy on the Khmer Rouge regime, 1975-1979

1. Kenton Clymer, The United States and Cambodia, 1969-2000: A Troubled Relationship (New York and London: Routledge, 2004)

2. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger discusses the Khmer Rouge regime with Thailand's Foreign Minister Chatichai, November 26, 1975

Kissinger: "You should also tell the Cambodians that we will be friends with them. They are murderous thugs, but we won't let that stand in our way. We are prepared to improve relations with them."

3. Ford and Kissinger discuss Cambodia with Indonesia's President Suharto, Jakarta, December 5, 1975

4. Former US National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, on China and the Khmer Rouge, 1979:

“I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot. Pol Pot was an abomination. We could never support him, but China could.” According to Brzezinski, the USA “winked, semi-publicly” at Chinese and Thai aid to the Khmer Rouge.

(Elizabeth Becker, When the War Was Over, New York, Touchstone, 1986, p. 440. See also Grant Evans and Kelvin Rowley, Red Brotherhood at War: Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos since 1975, London, Verso, rev. ed., 1990.)

President Ford and daughter Susan watch as Secretary of State Henry Kissinger shakes hands with Mao Tse-Tung

Nixon & Mao

Saddam Hussein was once a staunch US ally, until the US back stabbed both Iran & Iraq in the Iran/Iraq War that put Iraq in debt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_support_for_Iran_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

He (Timmerman) cites U.S. estimates of Iran's arms imports over the 1979-83 period at $5,365 billion, vizemphasis) "$975 million from the Soviet Union, $1.2 billion from the US, $20 million from France, $140 million from the UK, $5 million from FRG, $150 million from Italy, $230 million from the PRC, $5 million from Rumania, $40 million from Poland... and $2.6 billion from unspecified "other" sources."

And, Prescott Bush knowingly doing business with the Nazi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

Union Banking Corporation [edit]
Bush was one of seven directors (including W. Averell Harriman) of the Union Banking Corporation (holding a single share as a director), an investment bank that operated as a clearing house for many assets and enterprises held by German steel magnate Fritz Thyssen.[6][7] In July 1942, the bank was suspected of holding gold on behalf of Nazi leaders.[8] A subsequent government investigation disproved those allegations but confirmed the Thyssens' control, and in October 1942 the United States seized the bank under the Trading with the Enemy Act and held the assets for the duration of World War II.[6]

According to journalist Joe Conason, Prescott Bush's involvement with UBC was purely commercial and he was not a Nazi sympathizer.[9] The Anti-Defamation League[10] and historian Herbert Parmet[7] agreed with that assessment.

 

[cubby1223]

Funny that you mentioned Pol Pot and Mao Tse Tung, as they were all US buddies.

http://www.yale.edu/cgp/us.html


Saddam Hussein was once a staunch US ally, until the US back stabbed both Iran & Iraq in the Iran/Iraq War that put Iraq in debt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_support_for_Iran_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war



And, Prescott Bush knowingly doing business with the Nazi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

Saddam Hussein was an ally against another common foe. They were allies prior to Hussein beginning his genocide against the Kurdish people. In the end, the U.S. turned against Hussein.

You're presenting these things as if I were the one controlling foreign policies.

The point is still the same - there are a lot of bad people out there who desire to kill countless innocent people.

Like I said earlier, I more than welcome Canada to step up to the plate and use their might to correct the wrongs in the world. I'd fucking love it if Canada used their time and their resources to stop these bad leaders. My argument was never that the U.S. is doing a great job. My argument is that others country are not doing a better job.

 

[Incorruptible]

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2008/nov/16/sweden-tax-burden-welfare

I can get more, but I'll start you off slow.

It takes a real scumbag to defend socialism, what about the people who aren't happy paying such high taxes. Are you seriously this stupid? The government shouldn't be taking more than half your income in taxes.

Rationing and less freedom?
Out of the thousands of things people complain about the US system, all you hear about is having to wait 5 months for a hip replacement with the Canadian system.

Nice to see you admit the truth about long wait times.

 

[Orignal Earl]

My argument is that others country are not doing a better job.

Well, that argument would be incredibly wrong
I know you guys here say the UN is useless, but there has been thousands of problems solved through it
Diplomatic talks through hundreds of Countries on their own have worked.
Any sort of an American victory with anything involved other countries
There is no American on its own military victories