Canada: Possible fall of government

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Number1

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I watched Dion make his case. LOL, He could not even read his own script intelligibly.

The theme from the Dumb and Dumberer movie kept playing in my head as I was listening to him.

If all of this is over the economy, why is the coalition not willing to see what the government plans will be on the 27 of Jan. What is the coalition scared of?

Loosing their entitlement? no, its off the table
The right to strike being taken away from the civil servants? no it off the table.

So why is it imperative that the government be brought down NOW. It will come soon enough.

Like I said before, the current government was voted in by the people. This coalition will vote themselves in because they are too afraid to go before the voters. It may be legal but it also is immoral.

Disgusting.
 

Number1

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Cracks are appearing within the coalition especial after the dismal amateurish barely delivered on time speech by Dion last night. Many liberal are not happy with Mr Dion's performance and his deal with the Bloc who will have veto power over all Canadian maters. The separatists are gloating in Quebec.

John Ivison: Parizeau beaming over 'eminently satisfying' deal with Dion

Harper to meet Governor-General this morning

Dion's amateur hour

Threat of defections shifts sands beneath Dion's feet

Why the PM must persist

Lets hope the GG approves the request to prorogue parliament this morning and give us time to pound this coalition into oblivion.
 

Number1

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Nothing "immoral" about it.

I think giving one province a veto over all Canadian maters is immoral, divisive and outrageous.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: Number1
Cracks are appearing within the coalition especial after the dismal amateurish barely delivered on time speech by Dion last night. Many liberal are not happy with Mr Dion's performance and his deal with the Bloc who will have veto power over all Canadian maters. The separatists are gloating in Quebec.

John Ivison: Parizeau beaming over 'eminently satisfying' deal with Dion

Harper to meet Governor-General this morning

Dion's amateur hour

Threat of defections shifts sands beneath Dion's feet

Why the PM must persist

Lets hope the GG approves the request to prorogue parliament this morning and give us time to pound this coalition into oblivion.

See, your issue is that you are a very partisan conservative - you don't feel any more strongly about this now than before the idea of a coalition was raised. So what you're smelling here is 'opportunity'.

That's all very well and good, but that's what was in Harper's nose when he made the moves that lead to this crisis.

Now personally, other than being a little embarrassed to have someone as two-faced as Harper represent my country internationally, I don't really care if he's PM, or not. WHat I want is good government, based on cooperation and debate, not politiking.

Whether this comes in the form of the proposed coalition, or a somewhat pacified Conserative minority, I frankly don't have a strong preference.
 

Number1

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Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Don't have the energy to spare to go to the rally. They'll have to make do with my moral support from a few blocks away.

Whats the mater with you Dennil?

The meeting with the GG is still going on as of now.
They just set up a podium at the door of the government house. The PM is going to speak soon.
 

ZzZGuy

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Harper has gone too far, he is demonizing the Bloc Québécois and by extension a entire Provence. He has proven beyond all doubt that he is only concerned about what is good for him and his party, not what is good for Canada. Harper is calling out the proposed coalition for having the "support" of the Bloc when the conservatives tried to from a "coalition" with the Bloc ion the past, how have we allowed our politics to sink so low.


This needs to end N O W, Harper more then the conservatives party itself is trying to turn Canadians against one another for a few GOD DAMN VOTES. If Parliament is suspended, this campaign of lies & hate will will be kicked into high gear and we run the risk of alienating Quebec, having another separation referendum and the Quebecers will have every rite to do so. While the Bloc Québécois stated goal is to separate Quebec from Canada, they did not run on that platform during the last election , a referendum is not and will not be on the table. People voted for the Bloc because they can best represent their Provence and deny the Conservatives a majority government (which I agree with). I have worked with many people from Quebec and they are no different from the rest of Canada, just a little annoying at times with their excessive pride but you can not fault them for that.

The government as it is now is not sustainable, Harper stated during his campaign that he would work closer with the opposition then he had in the past then turns around and tires to tear them a new one. He has now set his sights on Quebec which is trying its hardest repeatedly denied him the majority he wants which Canadians do not want him to have. The opposition parties have had enough and Harper will not back down, yes Harper has removed unpopular items such as government employees right to strike and cutting public funding for all parties (maximum limit of $1,100 donations from any corporation or individual, $1.75 public funding for every vote) from the piece of legislation he wanted to pass but he has shown he will not willingly cooperate with the other parties.

One of two things needs to happen:
- Harper forced to resin along with any other cronies of his that have contributed to this cluster ****, the conservatives elect a new leader who has Canada's best interest in mind and we continue on with our current government.
- The conservative government shown the door and the coalition replaces them as the new government.

A new election is not needed or wanted, and frankly we need some time to let heads cool off no matter how this goes down. I see Harper as providing bad leadership which can be replaced, the coalition is a less desirable option (I live in NL where we removed every conservative MP in the last election, so I am not saying this lightly) but will be a more stable and at the very least provide a little time to breath between elections. A normal minority government with all parties working together is what is best for Canada. A economic plan will not arrive any faster with a coalition, and delaying the vote will delay when the government will fall which will servilely delay a economic plan. Dion will also be replaced come April IIRC.

As I post this message Harper is talking with the Governor General, supposedly requesting to parole (suspend/shut down) Parliament. If she says no then Harper has no option but to resin, so very soon we may learn the fate of the Canadian government.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/
 

ZzZGuy

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Well it's official now.

The government is now suspended, January 26th is believed to be the date when parliament is resumed. Grab a lawn chair, this is going to get interesting.
 

Number1

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Prorogation has been granted!!!

Watch the coalition go down in flame.

Canadians will decide who lead this country as it should be.

Good news.
 

Number1

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Brilliant maneuvering by the PM. He now has the initiative and the coalition in defensive mode. That is what leadership is all about.

Brilliant.
 

ZzZGuy

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Originally posted by: Number1
Prorogation has been granted!!!

Watch the coalition go down in flame.

Canadians will decide who lead this country as it should be.

Good news.

We don't decide who leads the country, we elect MPs who then elect a prime minster. I see nothing wrong with several parties of elected MPs forming a new government to replace a standing incompetent government provided they represent a larger majority (if not then a new election). Argue all you want, the current minority government only represents 37.6 of Canadians which will be less then the proposed coalition government. http://enr.elections.ca/National_e.aspx

If Harper is replaced with someone that has Canada's best interest in mind then the coalition will go down in flames, if not and the campaign of lies and hate that started in the past few days by the conservatives is kicked into high gear then we will see a conflict in Canada (I don't mean a civil war) that has never been seen before.

 

Dark4ng3l

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Bah there was no way Harper was going to lose in this. If he let the coalition take over it would have been suicide for the liberals to forge an alliance with the NDP and Bloc. They would have never got anything done with the coalition and Harper would have won the next one in a landslide.
 

Number1

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Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Originally posted by: Number1
Prorogation has been granted!!!

Watch the coalition go down in flame.

Canadians will decide who lead this country as it should be.

Good news.

We don't decide who leads the country, we elect MPs who then elect a prime minster. I see nothing wrong with several parties of elected MPs forming a new government to replace a standing incompetent government provided they represent a larger majority (if not then a new election). Argue all you want, the current minority government only represents 37.6 of Canadians which will be less then the proposed coalition government. http://enr.elections.ca/National_e.aspx

If Harper is replaced with someone that has Canada's best interest in mind then the coalition will go down in flames, if not and the campaign of lies and hate that started in the past few days by the conservatives is kicked into high gear then we will see a conflict in Canada (I don't mean a civil war) that has never been seen before.

Did it look like Harper is going to resign? DHOOOO

The coalition has not demonstrated that the government is incompetent. They now have a month to do it.
I mean, Dion could not even read from a sheet of paper yesterday in his address to the nation. How the hell do you expect him to keep this coalition together.

 

Number1

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There is a bunch of long face opposition leaders making speeches now. Whats the problem, they can bring the government down in a month, What are they afraid of? Layton looks defeated.
 

Number1

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That coalition will fall apart before its leader knows it. Watch them tear each other apart.
A month is an eternity in politic.

Good riddance.

Hopefully this will bring in a new era of cooperation between the opposition and the government.
 

Number1

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Judging by the three opposition leaders faces it is evident that they know their coalition is history.
And Dion was at it again, unable to read his prepared statement to the press.



 

little elvis

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Great, now any time a Minority Government wants to avoid a confidence vote, they now have a precedent for shutting down Parliament... Bonus.

Great job Harper, running away with your tail between your legs.
 

sandorski

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If Harper doesn't start making some serious concessions, backtracking, and more, he'll be gone as soon as Parliament returns. He has only "won" some time to fix things, nothing else. I suspect things are beyond repair though.

This is not a "victory", it is Desperation.
 

desy

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It wasn't brilliant it was the only card he could play.
It wasn't unheard of, asking the GG to parogue happens regularily and they always take the advice of the prime minister.

Basically its a stay, lets hope the holidays drills some sense back into them all.. . .
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: desy
It wasn't brilliant it was the only card he could play.
It wasn't unheard of, asking the GG to parogue happens regularily and they always take the advice of the prime minister.

Basically its a stay, lets hope the holidays drills some sense back into them all.. . .

Hear hear
 

little elvis

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Originally posted by: desy
It wasn't brilliant it was the only card he could play.
It wasn't unheard of, asking the GG to parogue happens regularily and they always take the advice of the prime minister.

Basically its a stay, lets hope the holidays drills some sense back into them all.. . .

But has the request to Prorogue Parliament ever been used to avoid a no-confidence vote?
 

imported_Imp

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Originally posted by: ZzZGuy

We don't decide who leads the country, we elect MPs who then elect a prime minster. I see nothing wrong with several parties of elected MPs forming a new government to replace a standing incompetent government provided they represent a larger majority (if not then a new election). Argue all you want, the current minority government only represents 37.6 of Canadians which will be less then the proposed coalition government. http://enr.elections.ca/National_e.aspx

The Toronto Star had a nice, long editorial about that issue (how we don't elect a PM) in yesterday's paper by a U of T political science professor.

So the confidence vote is delayed until boxing day eh? (Unless they meant Jan 26th) Ok, then.
 
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