Canada: Possible fall of government

[Molondo]

Originally posted by: Number1
National Anthem under the Coalition Government


:laugh:

USSC

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Number1
That coalition will fall apart before its leader knows it. Watch them tear each other apart.
A month is an eternity in politic.

Good riddance.

Hopefully this will bring in a new era of cooperation between the opposition and the government.

They knew this was going to happen, it was the only thing he could do. Probably the best card the Liberals could play, make Harper seem like a power hungry wench than try to call an election in January and go after him again. I would bet money on the Liberals winning more seats after this fiascle as long as Dion isn't the candidate. Harper wanted to play hardball and this is what happens, his childish attitude really came through on this one.

 

[Number1]

Where was Iggy today? probably too embarrassed to come out and afraid to be associated in any way shape or form with the coalition?

 

[little elvis]

Originally posted by: Number1
Where was Iggy today? probably too embarrassed to come out and afraid to be associated in any way shape or form with the coalition?

He was on TV talking about it, but apparently you are just blinded by your own partisanship.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Number1
Where was Iggy today? probably too embarrassed to come out and afraid to be associated in any way shape or form with the coalition?

Why would he? Because Harper did exactly what everyone predicted he would? You had to living under a rock if you think was any surprise at all. If it makes you feel any better I know the Liberal election wheels starting turning again last week as this was expected.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Number1
That coalition will fall apart before its leader knows it. Watch them tear each other apart.
A month is an eternity in politic.

Good riddance.

Hopefully this will bring in a new era of cooperation between the opposition and the government.

They knew this was going to happen, it was the only thing he could do. Probably the best card the Liberals could play, make Harper seem like a power hungry wench than try to call an election in January and go after him again. I would bet money on the Liberals winning more seats after this fiascle as long as Dion isn't the candidate. Harper wanted to play hardball and this is what happens, his childish attitude really came through on this one.

the Liberal will pay a heavy price for associating with the socialists and the separatist. Why do you think we have not seen Iggy around? He knows this and is trying to save his political skin.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Number1
That coalition will fall apart before its leader knows it. Watch them tear each other apart.
A month is an eternity in politic.

Good riddance.

Hopefully this will bring in a new era of cooperation between the opposition and the government.

They knew this was going to happen, it was the only thing he could do. Probably the best card the Liberals could play, make Harper seem like a power hungry wench than try to call an election in January and go after him again. I would bet money on the Liberals winning more seats after this fiascle as long as Dion isn't the candidate. Harper wanted to play hardball and this is what happens, his childish attitude really came through on this one.

the Liberal will pay a heavy price for associating with the socialists and the separatist. Why do you think we have not seen Iggy around? He knows this and is trying to save his political skin.

No they won't, the Liberals did good at seeming an unwilling but necessary accomplice. Sort of, I don't really want too, but we need to get this train wreck out of office. The NDP on the other hand are going to be hurting due to that tape recording. Harper doesn't make very many mistakes, but when he does they are big ones. Iggy is not around publicly because he is getting the election machine rolling. Why talk now when were going to have to talk in a month and a half? Iggy is a lot smarter than Dion, and Harper, he will play this properly, and I think the conservatives know this.

I wonder how long till Layton finds out he was fucked around on though, poor guy was so blinded by "PM" he didn't realize he was being used.

 

[little elvis]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Number1
That coalition will fall apart before its leader knows it. Watch them tear each other apart.
A month is an eternity in politic.

Good riddance.

Hopefully this will bring in a new era of cooperation between the opposition and the government.

They knew this was going to happen, it was the only thing he could do. Probably the best card the Liberals could play, make Harper seem like a power hungry wench than try to call an election in January and go after him again. I would bet money on the Liberals winning more seats after this fiascle as long as Dion isn't the candidate. Harper wanted to play hardball and this is what happens, his childish attitude really came through on this one.

the Liberal will pay a heavy price for associating with the socialists and the separatist. Why do you think we have not seen Iggy around? He knows this and is trying to save his political skin.

You didn't read my previous post, he was on TV, talking about it, he hasn't been hiding.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Number1
That coalition will fall apart before its leader knows it. Watch them tear each other apart.
A month is an eternity in politic.

Good riddance.

Hopefully this will bring in a new era of cooperation between the opposition and the government.

They knew this was going to happen, it was the only thing he could do. Probably the best card the Liberals could play, make Harper seem like a power hungry wench than try to call an election in January and go after him again. I would bet money on the Liberals winning more seats after this fiascle as long as Dion isn't the candidate. Harper wanted to play hardball and this is what happens, his childish attitude really came through on this one.

the Liberal will pay a heavy price for associating with the socialists and the separatist. Why do you think we have not seen Iggy around? He knows this and is trying to save his political skin.

No they won't, the Liberals did good at seeming an unwilling but necessary accomplice. Sort of, I don't really want too, but we need to get this train wreck out of office. The NDP on the other hand are going to be hurting due to that tape recording. Harper doesn't make very many mistakes, but when he does they are big ones. Iggy is not around publicly because he is getting the election machine rolling. Why talk now when were going to have to talk in a month and a half? Iggy is a lot smarter than Dion, and Harper, he will play this properly, and I think the conservatives know this.

I wonder how long till Layton finds out he was fucked around on though, poor guy was so blinded by "PM" he didn't realize he was being used.

There is nobody smarter then Harper on the hill right now. i don't know much about Iggy but Ill point out to you that he lost the leadership convention to Dion and that really doesn't say much about his ability to lead and influence people.
The NDP had nothing to lose by associating with the Liberals. The Liberals have everything to lose by associating with the NDP and the Bloc.

The NDP used the Liberals and almost succeeded. HAving lost the initiative, the Liberal now have eggs on their face and will have to explain to their electorate why they associated with the socialist and separatist.

Yep we need another election and the sooner the better. Hopefully Canadian have been awakened by all this drama and will get out to vote en masse next time.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Number1
That coalition will fall apart before its leader knows it. Watch them tear each other apart.
A month is an eternity in politic.

Good riddance.

Hopefully this will bring in a new era of cooperation between the opposition and the government.

They knew this was going to happen, it was the only thing he could do. Probably the best card the Liberals could play, make Harper seem like a power hungry wench than try to call an election in January and go after him again. I would bet money on the Liberals winning more seats after this fiascle as long as Dion isn't the candidate. Harper wanted to play hardball and this is what happens, his childish attitude really came through on this one.

the Liberal will pay a heavy price for associating with the socialists and the separatist. Why do you think we have not seen Iggy around? He knows this and is trying to save his political skin.

No they won't, the Liberals did good at seeming an unwilling but necessary accomplice. Sort of, I don't really want too, but we need to get this train wreck out of office. The NDP on the other hand are going to be hurting due to that tape recording. Harper doesn't make very many mistakes, but when he does they are big ones. Iggy is not around publicly because he is getting the election machine rolling. Why talk now when were going to have to talk in a month and a half? Iggy is a lot smarter than Dion, and Harper, he will play this properly, and I think the conservatives know this.

I wonder how long till Layton finds out he was fucked around on though, poor guy was so blinded by "PM" he didn't realize he was being used.

There is nobody smarter then Harper on the hill right now. i don't know much about Iggy but Ill point out to you that he lost the leadership convention to Dion and that really doesn't say much about his ability to lead and influence people.
The NDP had nothing to lose by associating with the Liberals. The Liberals have everything to lose by associating with the NDP and the Bloc.

The NDP used the Liberals and almost succeeded. HAving lost the initiative, the Liberal now have eggs on their face and will have to explain to their electorate why they associated with the socialist and separatist.

Yep we need another election and the sooner the better. Hopefully Canadian have been awakened by all this drama and will get out to vote en masse next time.

Iggy was kingmaker, no one fully expected him to win the nomination the first time, most people expected Rae to win it. Your delusional if you think that it went "liberal begs NDP and Bloq" instead of the other way around. I would take Iggy over Harper as far as political intelligence goes. Harper has been offbalance since he got in power, he excels at a rebel lead role, but he has only stayed in power due to the poor decisions of the Liberals.

This decision though, was not one of the poor ones. Dion sat back and let the NDP/Block talk a bunch, the tape get leaked ect, all the while sitting there and smiling as Harper stepped all over himself. The liberals will be able to make Harper seem like a power hungry individual when appealing as a safe zone for NDP members who are not comfortable with Layton being in bed with the separatists for power. As it stands, all the players next election besides Iggy are tainted. Harper is power hungry, Layton is power hungry, Duceppe is power hungry, Iggy is just trying to bring economic stability back to Canada.

Yes, I'm kind of glad that Harper did this, the coallition would have been bad for Liberals, but this, this is perfect.

 

[NoShangriLa]

God Save The Queen!

The True North strong and free! --- Not so strong nor free.

The spoiled brat Conservative once again ran and cry to the Queen because they are not getting things their way.

Conservative asked Queen to stack the deck in their favor with 8 temporary senators over the GST fiasco, and now suspended the democratic govern body because they are not playing the Conservative mavericky way.

IMHO, Canada politico is no less than the despot government in third world countries.

 

[dmcowen674]

I love how so many Canadians in here denegrate America and have all kinds of disgust for Democrats yet their own bed is a mess.

 

[Number1]

Support for Tories up amid House crisis, CBC-EKOS poll suggests


Conservative support up more then 6% at 44%
Liberal down 2% to 24%
NDP down 4% to 14.5%
Keep in mind that this was BEFORE Dion's speech.

Some quotes:

Forty-seven per cent of respondents selected a Conservative government led by Harper as better able to manage the financial crunch, compared with 34 per cent who supported a proposed Liberal-NDP coalition government led by Dion.

The poll results also suggest that as angry as some Canadians are about political inaction in Ottawa, Gov. Gen. Michaëlle Jean may have gauged public opinion correctly when she approved the prime minister's request to suspend, or prorogue, Parliament on Thursday.

Twenty-eight per cent said they wanted a Liberal-NDP coalition, with the support of the Bloc Québécois, to replace the government in the next few weeks.

Now considering the fact the the GG accepted the recommendation of the PM to Prorogue parliament, I am confident that if the coalition defeat the government on Jan 28, the GG will once again accept the recommendations of the PM and call an election.

Either way the Conservatives will be in power until we have an election. The liberals might as well prepare to resume being slapped around in the new year.

 

[Kenazo]

Well, I must say that I hope the conservatives hold power, but I bet my boss the Coalition would take it in January. It'll be a dollar bet I'm fine losing.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I love how so many Canadians in here denegrate America and have all kinds of disgust for Democrats yet their own bed is a mess.

Our main mess politically was caused by your president GWB.

Our government isn't getting anything done, but at least it is moderate.

I guarantee this would have happened to your Bush if you guys had a Parliamentary system. There's no way he would have won a majority under our system, and they would have shut him down a long time ago.

 

[Stunt]

Agreed, if GWB wasn't giving 'Conservatism' a bad name (GWB is not a conservative by the way), Harper wouldn't have been so vilified by the opposition parties and would have received a majority.
So yes...I can see how you can blame GWB for our situation.

Also without a crash of the US economy, the opposition wouldn't be fighting for handouts to their respective donors/backers.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Agreed, if GWB wasn't giving 'Conservatism' a bad name (GWB is not a conservative by the way), Harper wouldn't have been so vilified by the opposition parties and would have received a majority.
So yes...I can see how you can blame GWB for our situation.

Also without a crash of the US economy, the opposition wouldn't be fighting for handouts to their respective donors/backers.

Are you going to leave Canada?

Where will people like your kind go?

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
Agreed, if GWB wasn't giving 'Conservatism' a bad name (GWB is not a conservative by the way), Harper wouldn't have been so vilified by the opposition parties and would have received a majority.
So yes...I can see how you can blame GWB for our situation.

Also without a crash of the US economy, the opposition wouldn't be fighting for handouts to their respective donors/backers.

Are you going to leave Canada?

Where will people like your kind go?

No I am not leaving Canada; while I am a Harper supporter, I am a Canadian first.
There are strong Conservative roots in Canada and will continue to even if the Liberals and NDP construct their own mandate.

Look at past Canadian elections:
1980: Liberal 44% Conservative 32%
1984: Conservative 50% Liberal 28%
1988: Conservative 43% Liberal 31%
1993: Liberal 41% Conservative 16% Reform 19% (Reform was a Conservative party)
1997: Liberal 38% Reform 19% Conservative 19%
2000: Liberal 41% Alliance 25% Conservative 12% (Alliance was Reform rebranded)
2004: Liberal 37% Conservative 30% (Alliance merged with the Conservatives)
2006: Conservative 36% Liberal 30%
2008: Conservative 38% Liberal 26%

So as you can see the Liberals are mad because they had an easy win with the Conservatives split and governed for 11 years. They have now lost power and the Conservatives are gaining support...even with GWB's poor performance. Conservatism is strong in Canada.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Are you going to leave Canada?

Where will people like your kind go?

No I am not leaving Canada; while I am a Harper supporter, I am a Canadian first.
There are strong Conservative roots in Canada and will continue to even if the Liberals and NDP construct their own mandate.

Look at past Canadian elections:
1980: Liberal 44% Conservative 32%
1984: Conservative 50% Liberal 28%
1988: Conservative 43% Liberal 31%
1993: Liberal 41% Conservative 16% Reform 19% (Reform was a Conservative party)
1997: Liberal 38% Reform 19% Conservative 19%
2000: Liberal 41% Alliance 25% Conservative 12% (Alliance was Reform rebranded)
2004: Liberal 37% Conservative 30% (Alliance merged with the Conservatives)
2006: Conservative 36% Liberal 30%
2008: Conservative 38% Liberal 26%

So as you can see the Liberals are mad because they had an easy win with the Conservatives split and governed for 11 years.

They have now lost power and the Conservatives are gaining support...even with GWB's poor performance.

Conservatism is strong in Canada.

Your country is just as messed up as the U.S.

A good solution would be for all U.S. Necons to move to Canada and the liberals in Canada move to the U.S.

Problems solved for both Countries.

 

[Toonces]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


Your country is just as messed up as the U.S.

A good solution would be for all U.S. Necons to move to Canada and the liberals in Canada move to the U.S.

Problems solved for both Countries.

Dave, I don't think you understand much of anything. Canadian politics even less.

 

[imported_Imp]

Wow. That was painful seeing seeing Dion trying to 'rally' the crowd this morning in Toronto (on TV).

And funny-ish story. On Thursday, someone at my company's Alberta office decided to send everyone in the company (couple thousand) a petition to stop the coalition. Way to mix work and politics...

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: Imp
Wow. That was painful seeing seeing Dion trying to 'rally' the crowd this morning in Toronto (on TV).

And funny-ish story. On Thursday, someone at my company's Alberta office decided to send everyone in the company (couple thousand) a petition to stop the coalition. Way to mix work and politics...

Ya pathetic. Big rally in Toronto pitting the east against the west supported by no less then the leader of the opposition.

Out in the west, Stockwelll Day blaming the Bloc for the end of the world.

I am truly disgusted at the whole situation.

 

[imported_K3N]

This video exposes how the Queen of England is infact the undisputed ruler of canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b51LMBxQIo

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: toonces

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


Your country is just as messed up as the U.S.

A good solution would be for all U.S. Necons to move to Canada and the liberals in Canada move to the U.S.

Problems solved for both Countries.

Dave, I don't think you understand much of anything. Canadian politics even less.

I don't claim to know anything about Canada's polticis.

I'm simply stating it appears they are as messed up as the U.S. looking at the headlines.

Also going by resident Canadian Neocons.

They can have all the conservatives up there and it would be the best for both countries.

 

[Firebot]

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=1044554

Rae, Ignatieff call for expedited leadership race
Glenn Johnson and Bradley Bouzane, Canwest News Service
Published: Sunday, December 07, 2008

OTTAWA -- Liberal leadership candidates Michael Ignatieff and Bob Rae stepped up the pressure on Stephane Dion Sunday to step aside before Parliament resumes next month.

"We need to have a new leader in place by then," Rae told CTV's Question Period. "We need to have the leadership race moved up."

The call was echoed by leadership rival Ignatieff, who also appeared on the program.

"Mr. Dion has to consider his options," said Ignatieff. "It would be appropriate to have a permanent leader in place" by the vote in January.

"But I'm in the race, I don't make the rules."

Rae suggested that the leadership candidates have the "chance to talk to the membership of the party in an accelerated way," have some debates and see the party membership vote for a new leader by "the middle or third week of January."

The comments from Rae and Ignatieff come a day after former Liberal deputy prime minister John Manley called on the party to have a new leader in place before Christmas.

"As a Liberal, I believe the first step for my party is to replace Stephane Dion as leader with someone whose first job is to rebuild the Liberal party, rather than leading a coalition with the NDP," Manley wrote in an opinion piece in the Globe and Mail.

The Liberals are falling apart with a headless leader, and we Canadians are to believe that Dion can lead a coalition involving him, the NDP who were caught stating they would force a coalition before the crisis happened, and a seperatist group? He can't even lead his own party.

The hate that people have for Harper is so dillusional they don't even understand how bad the alternative is.