Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: ntdz
You just don't get the AC thing do you. In places like Nevada, Arizona and the South, AC is on 24/7 during the summer, even at night. Why do you keep justifying your countries failure to reduce emissions? Why can't you just accept that Canada is going backwards, not forwards?
And addressing the bolded part, why do you have to be such a condecending asshole? You don't know me, you know *nothing* about me, other than what I post on an internet forum. So keep comments like that to yourself, you just make yourself look ignorant and bigoted.
1. Those who have AC might keep it running for short periods during the summer. Do you think the millions immigrants have central AC that works 24/7?
2. AC doesn't just work, it keeps the temperature. If it drops to 25 during the night and the AC is set to 23, then it doesn't work. There is no such respite during the winter. It's barely begun here and the gets to -3 or so. In a month it'll be -15 average and the furnace will still need to heat up to ~22°.
3. Bigoted? no, I am intolerant - I have zero tolerance for stupidity. If you don't want me to call you a dumbass, don't say things like "canada's emissions are up 25% since joining kyoto".
You're intolerant, but not a bigot?
Here's a definition of bigotry.
big·ot·ry ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bg-tr)
n.
The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.
It seems you actually do consider yourself a bigot...You may think I'm stupid, but I'm not the one calling myself out as a bigot.
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: ntdz
You just don't get the AC thing do you. In places like Nevada, Arizona and the South, AC is on 24/7 during the summer, even at night. Why do you keep justifying your countries failure to reduce emissions? Why can't you just accept that Canada is going backwards, not forwards?
And addressing the bolded part, why do you have to be such a condecending asshole? You don't know me, you know *nothing* about me, other than what I post on an internet forum. So keep comments like that to yourself, you just make yourself look ignorant and bigoted.
1. Those who have AC might keep it running for short periods during the summer. Do you think the millions immigrants have central AC that works 24/7?
2. AC doesn't just work, it keeps the temperature. If it drops to 25 during the night and the AC is set to 23, then it doesn't work. There is no such respite during the winter. It's barely begun here and the gets to -3 or so. In a month it'll be -15 average and the furnace will still need to heat up to ~22°.
3. Bigoted? no, I am intolerant - I have zero tolerance for stupidity. If you don't want me to call you a dumbass, don't say things like "canada's emissions are up 25% since joining kyoto".
You're intolerant, but not a bigot?
Here's a definition of bigotry.
big·ot·ry ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bg-tr)
n.
The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.
It seems you actually do consider yourself a bigot...You may think I'm stupid, but I'm not the one calling myself out as a bigot.
You don't have to, you post in here how many times a day, your posts speak this for you.
Originally posted by: ntdz
It seems you actually do consider yourself a bigot...You may think I'm stupid, but I'm not the one calling myself out as a bigot.
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: ntdz
It seems you actually do consider yourself a bigot...You may think I'm stupid, but I'm not the one calling myself out as a bigot.
I "think" of you as stupid the same way I "think" the earth revolves around the sun. But hey, if having no tolerance for stupidity, bullshit and vanity makes me a bigot, then a bigot I am. You can call me a purple monkey dishwasher for all I care, it won't make me tolerate intolerably things.
Anyway, I am glad to see you've taken the discussion down this path. I'll just go ahead and file the whole argument under "Martin's Countless Victories".
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: sandorski
Doesn't matter where I'm from, been, or whatever. Air Conditioning does not produce equivalent CO2 as Heating for the reasons I cited a couple posts back.
I dont think you have cited anything of any conclusive proof yet. Let see the average BTUs to keep a house warm in Canada vs the average BTUs to keep a house cool in the south. My bet is the difference is not nearly as large as you want it to be. You have some intense months of heating and we have some intense months of cooling, and heating is more effecient than cooling.
BTUs don't indicate what the souurce is, just Energy useage. Do Southerners use Natural Gas or Oil for Air Conditioning?
No a btu will not indicate a source, but it does provide an energy benchmark. The US uses about 50% coal, 20% nuke, and then another large chunk of natural gas for electricity.
That makes it a moot measurement.
Here's some specific data on Canadian CO2 emmissions.
Note the increase of emmissions for Electricty generation and Heating at the top of the list.
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: ntdz
You just don't get the AC thing do you. In places like Nevada, Arizona and the South, AC is on 24/7 during the summer, even at night. Why do you keep justifying your countries failure to reduce emissions? Why can't you just accept that Canada is going backwards, not forwards?
And addressing the bolded part, why do you have to be such a condecending asshole? You don't know me, you know *nothing* about me, other than what I post on an internet forum. So keep comments like that to yourself, you just make yourself look ignorant and bigoted.
1. Those who have AC might keep it running for short periods during the summer. Do you think the millions immigrants have central AC that works 24/7?
2. AC doesn't just work, it keeps the temperature. If it drops to 25 during the night and the AC is set to 23, then it doesn't work. There is no such respite during the winter. It's barely begun here and the gets to -3 or so. In a month it'll be -15 average and the furnace will still need to heat up to ~22°.
3. Bigoted? no, I am intolerant - I have zero tolerance for stupidity. If you don't want me to call you a dumbass, don't say things like "canada's emissions are up 25% since joining kyoto".
Originally posted by: ntdz
Wow, guess I touched a nerve talking about Canada...truth hurts doesn't it. Enjoy the weather up there, it's beautiful this time of year.
Originally posted by: charrison
The truth hurts. Canada emissions are up 25% from the 1990 levels they are supposed to be at. It appears the the only being stupid is yourself.
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: charrison
The truth hurts. Canada emissions are up 25% from the 1990 levels they are supposed to be at. It appears the the only being stupid is yourself.
well, if we ignore fact that kyoto stipulates that emissions should be at 1990 levels in2010, then you'd be right in saying....wait..I get how it works with you people. You make up crazy ******, then ignore any facts to the contrary...wow, that must be really easy on the brain. Good thing..you shouldn't put too much strain, might pull something...
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: sandorski
Doesn't matter where I'm from, been, or whatever. Air Conditioning does not produce equivalent CO2 as Heating for the reasons I cited a couple posts back.
I dont think you have cited anything of any conclusive proof yet. Let see the average BTUs to keep a house warm in Canada vs the average BTUs to keep a house cool in the south. My bet is the difference is not nearly as large as you want it to be. You have some intense months of heating and we have some intense months of cooling, and heating is more effecient than cooling.
BTUs don't indicate what the souurce is, just Energy useage. Do Southerners use Natural Gas or Oil for Air Conditioning?
No a btu will not indicate a source, but it does provide an energy benchmark. The US uses about 50% coal, 20% nuke, and then another large chunk of natural gas for electricity.
That makes it a moot measurement.
Here's some specific data on Canadian CO2 emmissions.
Note the increase of emmissions for Electricty generation and Heating at the top of the list.
I would not call btu a moot measurment.
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Forsythe
America is still producing 25% OF ALL the co2 let out in the atmosphere...
That's what happens when you're the most productive country in the world...
What do you mean most productive? Data?
US workers are far and away the most productive workers in the world...Is these point even up for debate?
I know you work the most. Don't know about productivity though. You're gonna have to show me data to believe anything like that.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/editorials/sep04/256511.asp
Measured by output per person, no country in the world even comes close to matching the productivity of American workers - they will produce 30% of global output this year with only 5% of the world's labor force.
Japanese workers are only 74% as productive as American workers, and European workers are only 84% as productive.
The world class productivity of American workers also means they have the highest wages, the most stable employment and the highest standard of living in the world. Because their productivity is so much lower, the income and standard of living of an average European worker is about on par with workers in America's poorest state, Mississippi. Europeans are also twice as likely to be unemployed as our workers.
Originally posted by: Tango
Ouch.. whoever wrote this stuff was NOT an Economics major... well, actually I would be surprised to know he ever saw a college room at all...
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Tango
Ouch.. whoever wrote this stuff was NOT an Economics major... well, actually I would be surprised to know he ever saw a college room at all...
It's from some Swedish economists. I remember the report when it was released a few years ago.
Originally posted by: Tango
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Tango
Ouch.. whoever wrote this stuff was NOT an Economics major... well, actually I would be surprised to know he ever saw a college room at all...
It's from some Swedish economists. I remember the report when it was released a few years ago.
Well, they might be in urgent need of economists down there in Sweden.
Originally posted by: sandorski
That makes it a moot measurement.
Here's some specific data on Canadian CO2 emmissions.
Note the increase of emmissions for Electricty generation and Heating at the top of the list.
Originally posted by: misle
So, since 1990 Canada's population has increased by 7%.
In 1990 Electricity and Heat Generation emitted 95,300
In 2003 Electricity and Heat Generation emitted 134,000
That's an increase of 40.61%. Maybe I did the math wrong, or maybe I just don't understand, but why does a 7% population increase cause a 40.61% increase in Electricity and Heat Generation?
Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Originally posted by: misle
So, since 1990 Canada's population has increased by 7%.
In 1990 Electricity and Heat Generation emitted 95,300
In 2003 Electricity and Heat Generation emitted 134,000
That's an increase of 40.61%. Maybe I did the math wrong, or maybe I just don't understand, but why does a 7% population increase cause a 40.61% increase in Electricity and Heat Generation?
Our summers are getting alot hotter and thus alot more a/c ? Our winters are getting warmer too but we stay inside out of habit and play more computer and video games and watch dvds on our large screen plasma T.V.'s
We need more nukes ( Don't say * You guys have the second largest oil reserves in the world so you don't needs nukes )
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Originally posted by: misle
So, since 1990 Canada's population has increased by 7%.
In 1990 Electricity and Heat Generation emitted 95,300
In 2003 Electricity and Heat Generation emitted 134,000
That's an increase of 40.61%. Maybe I did the math wrong, or maybe I just don't understand, but why does a 7% population increase cause a 40.61% increase in Electricity and Heat Generation?
Our summers are getting alot hotter and thus alot more a/c ? Our winters are getting warmer too but we stay inside out of habit and play more computer and video games and watch dvds on our large screen plasma T.V.'s
We need more nukes ( Don't say * You guys have the second largest oil reserves in the world so you don't needs nukes )
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On top of that, Canada Exports a lot of Electricity to the US.
Originally posted by: Antisocial Virge
You also have to look at the figures your starting with. Going by the 2002 numbers posted above, the 13% increase ALONE the US had is more than Canada produced for the whole year. Who do you think is hurting the environment more? Sure, Canada might have produced 25% more but its still a tiny amount compared to the US.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Originally posted by: misle
So, since 1990 Canada's population has increased by 7%.
In 1990 Electricity and Heat Generation emitted 95,300
In 2003 Electricity and Heat Generation emitted 134,000
That's an increase of 40.61%. Maybe I did the math wrong, or maybe I just don't understand, but why does a 7% population increase cause a 40.61% increase in Electricity and Heat Generation?
Our summers are getting alot hotter and thus alot more a/c ? Our winters are getting warmer too but we stay inside out of habit and play more computer and video games and watch dvds on our large screen plasma T.V.'s
We need more nukes ( Don't say * You guys have the second largest oil reserves in the world so you don't needs nukes )
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On top of that, Canada Exports a lot of Electricity to the US.
Has the volume significantly changed?