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Whiskey16

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~$2B surplus... good news for Cons
During a recession....After a long stretch of deficits in times of economic growth. A piss poor demonstration of fiscal incompetence and electioneering at the cost of responsible economic planning.

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Surplus during recession seems like bad economic planning: Don Pittis

Not just anti-Keynesian, but the complete opposite


If the time for deficit spending is when the economy is in recession, then the Harper government seems to have got it backwards.

According to the latest figures, during the years when Canada was reaping the staggering benefits of an oil and commodities boom, the government piled on more debt. We now know that it was only after the economy began shrinking and needed help that the government squeezed out a surplus.

The current government may not be enamoured of a Keynesian analysis, but whether intentionally or by an error in planning, they have done the exact opposite.

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The savings that went into the government's surplus were accumulated from spring of last year, just before oil prices began their slide from about $100 to about $50 US a barrel. The period of savings covered in yesterday's budget document continued right through to the first quarter of this year, when a commodities crash caused the Canadian economy to shrink by a little less than one per cent.

And it didn't end there. Harper has also boasted that he had created a surplus during the April-to-June period, when, as we later found out, Canada had entered a technical recession.

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The Liberals and others have said the surplus was "phoney" and that Harper was actually running a deficit. It is true that the government had a political motivation to massage the numbers, including the fact that some of their election promises were contingent upon getting into surplus.

But if we take the numbers at face value, there is no question that the government was fanning the flames of the resource economy when it was burning hot, and taking away fuel when it was cooling.
The modern equivalent of storehouses full of grain is the tax system.

One of the ways the government fanned the flames was with tax breaks. The modern way to create a national war chest is to hold taxes slightly higher than what the government is spending. The accumulating pool of cash can be held in reserve for the bad times.

There is no reserve. So where did the money go instead?

Against the warnings of economists from many different parts of the political spectrum, the government started in 2006 to cut the Goods and Services Tax or sales tax, which immediately increased the deficit. There were also personal income tax cuts that benefited the employed and better off.

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By now, those of us who got those tax breaks have either spent all that money or used it to bid up investments like stocks and houses. If stocks and houses start to fall, you tell me where the money has gone.

Cuts in corporate taxes, especially to companies in the resource sector, have also disappeared. Some of the money companies saved was re-invested, but for big resource and industrial firms owned by foreigners, a lot of those tax cuts have left the country as profits and dividends. It could be argued that the money that was invested is disappearing too, as resource firms scale back.

It is good to be optimistic, but it is not yet clear that the Canadian economy is out of the woods. There are dire predictions the commodities bust could last for years. A new-economy boom remains a phantom.

It seems clear to me that the Harper government's greatest sin was one of optimism. Enthused by a private sector-led resource boom, they were more shocked than anyone that their spend-now-and-cut-later plan had gone sour. And by then they were locked into their optimism-laced promises.
But if the hard times continue, no matter who eventually takes the reins of government, the cupboard will be bare. There are no significant government savings and raising taxes will just take money out of one part of the economy and move it around. At that point, the only way to return to the stimulus of deficits will be to borrow from the future.
Oops... The cupboard is now bare, at the cost of Canadians all for Harper's Conservatives to try and buy an election during their watch over yet another recession.

Ministries were ordered to cut expenses at the harm of Veterans, Defence, security, refugees, scientific research, etc... Costs, particularly for massive upgrade expenses for the military have been DEFERRED. Any ministerial surpluses were demanded to be returned back into general revenue to help Harper balance the budget...'

The state of the economy and federal fiscal health has been greatly degraded by Conservative mismanagement.

Smoke and mirrors will not work to demonstrate the Harper government as being the self described 'best stewards of the economy.' RECESSION.
 
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Spungo

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I'm not sure why your link assumes Keynesian economics works. Japan has been doing Keynesian stimulus for the past few decades and it has caused one of the longest depressions in human history. America went full Keynesian in 1929, and it lead to the longest depression in US history. We've been doing Keynesian stimulus in the US since 2006 (the last time interest rates were hiked), and that has lead to the second longest depression in US history. Right now, economists have US growth estimated at around 2%, which is far below the long term trend. A sustained period of below average growth is called a depression. Contrary to popular belief, depression does not mean GDP shrinks every year; that's called a technical recession.

I'm curious what the other parties plan on doing to stimulate the economy. I don't know what the liberals are up to, but the NDP often talk about shutting down the tar sands or taxing them out of existence, similar to Obama's promise of destroying the coal industry (ignoring the fact that coal powers most of the US). That's the exact opposite of stimulus. Take something is profitable most of the time, such as tar sand, and tax it until companies are forced to liquidate assets, lay off thousands of workers, and stop all future investment.
People in Washington state are nervously watching this election. A lot of oil from Alberta passes through Washington and Montana, so we're hoping Canadians don't try to crush that industry. I work in transportation engineering, and a lot of the work we do is related to oil transport. If I'm not mistaken, Harper and Trudeau are in favor of oil pipelines and rail transport to the US, but the NDP guy wants oil transported from western Canada to eastern Canada, and he's vocally against selling oil to China (racism?). That doesn't just hurt Washington and Montana. That would mean Alberta sells oil below market price, which ultimately hurts Alberta as well.
 

Whiskey16

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Spungo, I don't have the time at the moment to correct you upon much of your misinformed hyperbole upon party policy regarding the petroleum industry..

Washington State and Montana economies? Bully on you. Bluntly, they are of no thoughtful consequences for Canadians in their federal election. You have concerns for pipelines not going through your states? Take that up with your own levels of government for not enabling you to effectively leech off of another country's assets. Sorry, intentionally provocative with that last snipe.

As far as the Keneysian economics -- Japan has its own domestic issues stemming back to the 1990s' and it is utterly incomparable to Canadian economic performance and Canada's 2015 recession lead by the Harper government.

During a recession, after a near decade of constant federal deficits, this government chose misrepresented austerity with an electioneering fiscal shell game that likely laid further damage to the economy and government ministries all to play costly politics to win the planned election.

From the relatively right-wing National Post:

Economic prudence, or ‘cuts by stealth?’ Federal departments left $8.7 billion unspent last year

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper on Monday defended federal departments for holding on to billions of dollars last year. The unspent money was instead returned to the federal treasury, and played a huge role in the Conservative government posting a $1.9-billion budget surplus in the last fiscal year.

Finance Canada reported the federal surplus Monday, after initial projections in April had suggested a $2-billion deficit. The report said a variety of factors were responsible for the surplus, including a slight bump in government revenue from corporate and personal income tax.

But federal departments and agencies also chipped in by handing back an estimated $8.7 billion for different programs that had been requested — and in some cases publicly announced — by the government and approved by Parliament.
The Harper government played deceptive and dishonest politics by previously announcing faux budgets for key areas, only to demand near record restraint from ministries and demand the unspent money returned to general revenue.

However, last year’s lapse, as unspent federal funds are called, was anything but normal. The Conservatives’ own budget plan in April, which projected only a $7.2-billion lapse, said government spending through February was “well below the historical average.” Spending to that point was also “at the lowest level in a decade.”

While the Conservatives have portrayed lapses as proof of economic prudence, critics say they amount to cuts by stealth. They say this is how the government can take money from Veterans Affairs, National Defence and other departments without actually cutting budgets.

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Canadians won’t know exactly which departments or programs were affected until after the election, when the government publishes its annual detailed accounts. But figures produced by the Parliamentary Budget Office over the weekend provide an idea of where some of the money came from.

The PBO figures aren’t final as not all departments, agencies and Crown corporations have reported their full end-of-year spending. But they do suggest hundreds of millions set aside for new military equipment, processing refugee applications, First Nations communities and transportation infrastructure went unspent.

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Former parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page said he had no doubt the Conservative government ordered senior public servants to “put the brakes” to spending to ensure a surplus during the election campaign. “It’s a big chunk of spending,” he said. “And it’s not easy for a lot of the departments.”

Page, who now teaches at the University of Ottawa, said lapsed funding has a direct impact on Canadians, and whoever wins the election will face a difficult situation that may involve either re-opening the taps or making more cuts.

“They’re going to look at that spending framework and say, ‘Is this sustainable?’” he said. “Is the Coast Guard going to function the way it should function? Are we going to have the sort of food inspection we need? Are we going to be able to get the cheques out the door for seniors and unemployed people?”
The Harper government, during a recession, chose to practically force a budgetary surplus at nearly all costs, all for electioneering points. In a recession ordered to implement austerity measures to harm ministerial missions and goals, defer costs and purchases to after the election for an even GREATER FISCAL EXPENSE.


A federal election offers the incumbent to be critiqued on its record.

Spungo, irrespective of enacted policy and the climate it is in, you blast past reality and straight on to theoretical and economic ideological thought all to argue for these self serving and near sighted electioneering actions by the Harper government not be harmful?
 
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Spungo

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Spungo, I don't have the time at the moment to correct you upon much of your misinformed hyperbole upon party policy regarding the petroleum industry..

Which part is misinformed? Mulcair has repeatedly stated that oil should be forcibly sold to eastern Canada instead of being sold to the highest bidder (aka America and China). He's basically promising to crash the economies of Alberta and Saskatchewan. If oil can't be sold at global market prices, tens of billions of dollars worth of investment will be lost. I think Newfoundland has a bunch of oil as well, so make that 3 provinces facing financial ruin if Mulcair is elected. He wants to turn Canada into Venezuela. Venezuela would be absurdly wealthy like Saudi Arabia if they exported oil at market price. Since Venezuela insists on consuming its own oil instead of selling it, Venezuela is an economic wasteland. Instead of seeing something like Saudis driving Audis, Venezuela is characterized by people stabbing each other for a roll of toilet paper.


Take that up with your own levels of government for not enabling you to effectively leech off of another country's assets. Sorry, intentionally provocative with that last snipe.
If you're not willing to sell it, we might be forced to "liberate" Canada.


As far as the Keneysian economics -- Japan has its own domestic issues stemming back to the 1990s' and it is utterly incomparable to Canadian economic performance and Canada's 2015 recession lead by the Harper government.
So you're saying Harper controls China's economy? That's impressive. Harper also crashed Australia's economy because Australia exports tons of stuff to China.


Spungo, irrespective of enacted policy and the climate it is in, you blast past reality and straight on to theoretical and economic ideological thought all to argue for these self serving and near sighted electioneering actions by the Harper government not be harmful?
Bill Clinton famously "balanced" the budget by stealing money from the social security trust fund, and he's generally considered the best president we've had in decades. I don't see why Canada would play by different rules. Creating fake balanced budgets is a good thing.
 

cbrunny

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If you're not willing to sell it, we might be forced to "liberate" Canada.

lol As you are obviously aware (and Whiskey obviously is ignorant to), it is to both Canada and the USA's benefit that we have proper trade between us. "Liberating" is a bit extreme, but certainly if push came to shove there would be closed-door trade sanctions that would essentially force Canada to sell to the USA. It is obviously better to do this all on good terms rather than be forced to take a bad deal. In Canada, those that fail to understand this simple fact are probably also those that want to crank up tariffs, obliterate free-trade, try to build a nationalist economy (or at least a completely self-sufficient economy), and pretend like globalization in all forms doesn't exist.

Newfoundland does have a ton of oil, and it recently (10ish years ago...?) became a "have" province (as opposed to a "have not"). I'm not entirely sure where it's oil goes though. I assume tankers take it south to the gulf but not sure.

Without a real refinery in Canada, there isn't a ton of purpose to building an east-west pipeline, especially if we don't have sufficient pipelines through the USA to the gulf. That being said, a real refinery in Canada also makes little sense as it creates very few permanent jobs (apparently they take relatively small numbers of people to operate once they're constructed. Construction is a huge project, probably years, but still temporary.), is extremely expensive to construct, would be unable to supply Canada with enough gasoline to make any real difference, would probably come as a public-private-partnership costing taxpayers billions, and would probably just be tossed around as a political tool rather than a proper solution.

EDIT: I should point out though that I am in favour of pipelines for moving oil 100% of the time over trains. Anyone who thinks pipelines are not as safe as trains is both absurdly stupid beyond belief and clearly doesn't remember this: https://www.google.ca/search?q=lac+...oTCIrjoa_I-8cCFUk3Pgod5GMO4Q&biw=1920&bih=955
 
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cbrunny

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Anyone watching the debate? Trudeau looks like he is just about ready to throw down.
 

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By my watch, debate is a Mulcair win, Harper a reasonably close second, and Trudeau an arm flailing, yelling, begging to be noticed third.
 

cbrunny

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Things are getting interesting now: http://lispop.ca/seat-projection/federal/2015-09-22/gradual-ndp-erosion-liberals-continues-ontario

http://portal.lispop.ca/elections/fed2015.html Looks like three battle areas. A few seats in BC, quite a few seats in Ontario - by the sounds of things, Liberals will win out there (NDP has bad memories in Ontario fiscally), and then out east in the Maritimes. Not sure what will happen out there.

NDP: 117
CPC: 114
Liberal: 106
Green: 1

And a very interesting article here: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...d-support-harper-continuing-as-prime-minister

in which Trudeau says

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau served notice Tuesday that he would seek to defeat a Stephen Harper government on its first speech from the throne should the Conservatives emerge with a minority on Oct. 19.

“I have spent my entire political career fighting against Mr. Harper’s narrow and meaner vision of what Canada can be and what the government should do,” Trudeau told reporters. “There are no circumstances in which I would support Stephen Harper to continue.”

The rest of the article speaks about how/if Trudeau will prop up an NDP government, or possibly vice versa. Coalition chatter. I'm not against a coalition in concept, but I do tend to believe that if any parties do actually end up in coalition, they should campaign on such a front. The electorate has a right to know what they're voting for.
 
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Whiskey16

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...I do tend to believe that if any parties do actually end up in coalition, they should campaign on such a front...
As you are repeating Harper dogma, you as do not accept nor comprehend the Westminster parliamentary system.

In no way does it make rational sense for opposing political parties to announce a plan to form government while they field opposing candidates in every riding.

cbrunny, you are spouting irrational nonsense.

The electorate has a right to know what they're voting for.
??? How does the electorate not? They are capable of knowing which candidates are on the ballot and vote for them. Once elected, it is the House of Commons composition of MPs that decides the confidence in government and if a coalition to form government is in each parties federal governance interest.

Whiskey obviously is ignorant to...
Excuse me? Ignorance is the practice of disengaging from discussion and knowledge. cbrunny, as you are too frustrated in my accurate challenging of posts and this topic, you are blatantly hypocritical in your action to place me "on your ignore list." That is explicit ignorance.
 

cbrunny

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As you are repeating Harper dogma

Harper dogma... my own informed opinion... whether they align or not only really matters to those that see Harper as the devil, that all he touches or believes in is pure sin, right Whiskey? You don't know ANYTHING about my opinions, as you've clearly shown by trying again and again to pigeonhole me into some kind of CPC champion. If you actually read what I've written throughout this thread you'll see that I've been quite critical of Harper, just as I have of all leaders.

you as do not accept nor comprehend the Westminster parliamentary system.

HA! What a joke. You again pigeonhole me and make tremendously inaccurate assumptions. Putting words in my mouth, as you have again and again through this thread. To your point, whether or not my opinion aligns with Harper's on this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with whether or not I comprehend or accept a Westminster system. As I said in my original post, I take no issue with a coalition in concept and it is my preference that coalition government is a campaign plank rather than an after-the-election maneuver. I did not say that a coalition government is irrational, irrelevant, illegitimate, illegal, immoral, bad, or anything of the sort. Further, the fact that we live in a Westminster system makes my opinion on this coalition inherently valid.

cbrunny, you are spouting irrational nonsense.
you're reading my words in a very partisan, very distorted lens.

??? How does the electorate not? They are capable of knowing which candidates are on the ballot and vote for them. Once elected, it is the House of Commons composition of MPs that decides the confidence in government and if a coalition to form government is in each parties federal governance interest.
thanks, tips. I went to high-school. I know how the system works. And because I have knowledge of how the system works, and I'm educated, and I know what my own opinions and preferences are, I'm able to have preferences that are or are not different from the current status quo by varying degrees of significance.

Excuse me? Ignorance is the practice of disengaging from discussion and knowledge. cbrunny, as you are too frustrated in my accurate challenging of posts and this topic, you are blatantly hypocritical in your action to place me "on your ignore list." That is explicit ignorance.

Ignorance is what you're practicing here. Placing your own inherent bias upon literally everything I've said, quite unnecessarily and leading you to INCREDIBLY incorrect conclusions. Yes, I had ignored you because you refuse to show any sign of intelligent comprehension of anything that I've said (I unblocked you a while ago, and have just ignored you otherwise). Instead you spew back irrelevant and partisan talking points as if they're Godly. You accuse me of being some kind of partisan hack - DESPITE HAVING CLEARLY NOT ENDORSED ANY CANDIDATE OR PARTY - yet, yourself, have such a thick layer of bias that you are completely unaware that ANY mindset other than your own can even exist in a moral or decent plane. You, Whiskey, are the epitome of political ignorance.
 

desy

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I am not opposed to a coalition, it would be more representative instead of a party who actually only gets 1/3 of the popular support.
In this case a coalition would rep 2/3's of the people, sounds good to me as long as they can work together which traditionally has been the problem.

Elections are expensive and I expect government at the end of the day with tax $ to get to work.
Harper has moved much more centre than where his base wanted and I expect any party/parties in power would gravitate towards the same.
 

Spungo

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Newfoundland does have a ton of oil, and it recently (10ish years ago...?) became a "have" province (as opposed to a "have not"). I'm not entirely sure where it's oil goes though. I assume tankers take it south to the gulf but not sure.
Probably. The US has a law banning the export of crude oil, so the US has very high refining capacity. Most of it is just fake refining anyway. You put crude oil in, you "refine" it without actually doing anything to it, mark the final product as refined oil, and export it. Although the US is a net importer of oil, that doesn't mean the US has no exports. It's possible for Texas to export 1 unit of oil to Mexico, and California imports 2 units of oil from Mexico. It's like that old joke of two trucks carrying trees passing each other on the road.

A lot of gasoline in Canada was probably refined somewhere in the southeast of the US, and my cell phone was made in China. I would think that making a phone closer would cost less and be more efficient, but it just doesn't work that way. Having 1 big factory in China is more cost effective than having 100 factories scattered around the world. The same is true for oil refining.

That being said, a real refinery in Canada also makes little sense as it creates very few permanent jobs (apparently they take relatively small numbers of people to operate once they're constructed. Construction is a huge project, probably years, but still temporary.), is extremely expensive to construct, would be unable to supply Canada with enough gasoline to make any real difference, would probably come as a public-private-partnership costing taxpayers billions, and would probably just be tossed around as a political tool rather than a proper solution.
Bingo. It's exactly the same argument used for football stadiums. Politicians will promise jobs and a booming economy, but their only interest is in giving billions of dollars to their friends. I was laughing when I was in Edmonton a couple years ago. They had this plan of moving the city's hockey arena downtown. The existing hockey arena is already located in the city limits, it's connected to the largest highway in Canada, it has lots of parking, it has its own bus terminal, and it has a train station. Why would anyone want to move the arena downtown where there's no highway, no parking, no bus station, and no train station? Because politicians have friends, and those friends like getting paid. There's big money in building shit nobody asked for. Sometimes it's an arena, sometimes it's a bridge, sometimes it's an oil refinery.

I'm listening to the August debate right now (link). First impressions:
-Mulcair has absolutely no understanding of economics. He's literally blaming Harper for collapsing global oil prices (both times), the US subprime housing crisis from 2008, the European debt crisis starting in 2011, and the Asian debt crisis starting 2015.
-Trudeau sounds reasonable. He wants higher taxes and welfare programs, but he isn't saying anything alarming.
-Harper sounds like he really knows what's going on. He has numbers, he has stats, and he has a general understanding of economics.
-Elizabeth May sounds very informed as well. Her criticisms of Harper are very specific.

Why does that poll show such low support for Elizabeth May? She's a hell of a lot smarter than Mulcair.

The environmental portion is interesting. Harper claims greenhouse gas emissions are down. May claims emissions have been rising since the Great Recession. Both are correct, depending on where you start the trend line:

 
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cbrunny

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Our system naturally tends to favour a two-party system. This election is somewhat significant in that there appear to be three parties that could form government. This is the first time this has happened at the federal level to my knowledge - if not, certainly the first in a LONG time. That being said, the Greens (would be fourth party) are relative noobs and have a bit of an incomplete platform. They're seen as a niche party but have been steadily gaining popularity in the last 15 or so years. Elizabeth May isn't as popular as might be expected either. Because her party is (relatively speaking) unable to govern, she can say pretty well whatever she wants.

I missed the August debate unfortunately.
 

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The environmental portion is interesting. Harper claims greenhouse gas emissions are down. May claims emissions have been rising since the Great Recession. Both are correct, depending on where you start the trend line:


I hadn't seen that chart before. If my eyes don't deceive me, it looks like it hasn't been updated since 2013. I wonder what it looks like for 14 and 15. I'd guess it follows the same pattern as the data since the recession hit. It doesn't seem out of reach to hit the copenhagen target on time, but it will take a coherent effort. Harper probably isn't willing to actually make the effort to get there. I'm not completely sold on either cap & trade or a carbon tax personally.

I suspect that Harper has subscribed to the opinion that "If you can't feed your family, pollution controls aren't important" - to an extent I can agree with this. I think now that the economy has largely stabilized (Relative to the year or two following the recession) it is worth the investment in green energy and environmental controls. That being said, I'm really not sure of the best way to actually do that. Normally I'd defer to experts but as far as I can tell even the experts don't agree.

All of that being said, this has to be one of those situations that's similar to saving for retirement - doing anything is far better than arguing over deciding the right thing.
 

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I suspect that Harper has subscribed to the opinion that "If you can't feed your family, pollution controls aren't important" - to an extent I can agree with this. I think now that the economy has largely stabilized (Relative to the year or two following the recession) it is worth the investment in green energy and environmental controls. That being said, I'm really not sure of the best way to actually do that. Normally I'd defer to experts but as far as I can tell even the experts don't agree.

Harper nailed it when he said the liberals and NDP have no intention of lowering emissions by taxing carbon, and it's merely a cash grab. It's exactly what the government does with cigarettes and alcohol. If governments wanted people to stop smoking, smoking would be illegal. They don't want to stop smoking, so they tax the hell out of it.

I think Elizabeth May really does care about the environment. She mentioned wanting to improve insulation of existing buildings to reduce carbon emissions. That's an actual solution. It's not just a cash grab.
 

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The Gov't ignores the many studies that show the economy increases retrofitting and advancing alternatives and panders to IMO the status quo of the oil industry dominance.
I do support ignoring a Carbon Tax however choosing to do nothing isn't an option either
 

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Foreign policy debate tonight. Should be good!

http://munkdebates.com/livestream
Darn, missed it.

Based on personality types, I'm going to make some guesses about what they said.
Conservative - support the US no matter what. I can't find the link, but I remember seeing a study where conservatives were more likely to value loyalty above all else. In the US, this means blind support for Israel and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is an evil empire with the same laws as the Islamic State? It doesn't matter. They're allies, so we must side with them every time. In return, we expect them to side with us every time. That means only selling oil in US dollars. That means letting us have military bases in their country.

Liberal - mixed support for allies, but try to rely on morals as well. That same study said liberals were more likely to look at individual ideas and determine what should be done. This is seen as a more idealistic approach to problem solving. A conservative would call it back stabbing - if we're friends, you should back me up even when I'm wrong.

At a time like this, I'm not sure which strategy makes more sense. It feels like a war is coming. Russia and China have been ramping up military spending for a long time, and now we're back up to cold war levels of hostility between east and west. Japan's leader wanted to change the laws and build up Japan's military as well. There's a lot of dick waving going on. It would be nice for Canada to not get dragged into America's war, but at the same time, it would be nice if Canada has US support when Russia tries claiming ownership of the arctic. As global warming reduces the amount of summer ice, this opens up a lot of possibilities for resource exploration and trade across the arctic. There's a lot of wealth that will need to be claimed. Possession is 9/10 of the law, so the side with a bigger navy will probably have the most say in what happens.
 
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