Canadian Federal Election 2015

[Spungo]

For me, the problem is financial cost. Not of weed, but of the bureaucracy that will need to oversee the regulation and sale, and increased funding to police forces countering black-market sales. I don't see the finances adding up. Canada would create an LCBO-style regulatory body, which means brick-and-mortar stores and unionized employees demanding high wages citing control of a substance similar to alcohol. Could be the same union I suppose but that doesn't get away from having cashiers making $25+/hr plus benefits. Couple that with a 1-year surge in legal purchasing followed by an expected decline in both volume and price as was seen in Colorado: (http://fortune.com/2015/06/22/marijuana-prices-colorado/)

Is that the way Canada does alcohol sales? Last time I bought vodka in Alberta it cost something like $25. I couldn't believe how expensive it was. The same bottle in Washington would cost maybe $12.

I think Canada has the right idea when it comes to giving basic medical care to everyone, but getting $25/h to work a cash register seems odd. There's not much reason to take up a trade or skilled profession if one can make a very comfortable living doing unskilled labor. My brother went back to trade school because he hated making $10/h with no benefits. Now he's making a hell of a lot more than $10, and he owns his own business. He wouldn't have gone down that path if he wasn't forced to.

 

[cbrunny]

Is that the way Canada does alcohol sales? Last time I bought vodka in Alberta it cost something like $25. I couldn't believe how expensive it was. The same bottle in Washington would cost maybe $12.

I think Canada has the right idea when it comes to giving basic medical care to everyone, but getting $25/h to work a cash register seems odd. There's not much reason to take up a trade or skilled profession if one can make a very comfortable living doing unskilled labor. My brother went back to trade school because he hated making $10/h with no benefits. Now he's making a hell of a lot more than $10, and he owns his own business. He wouldn't have gone down that path if he wasn't forced to.

Each province does their own thing when it comes to alcohol. In Ontario (where I live), we have the Liquor Control Board of Ontario (LCBO), which has almost complete exclusivity on wine (small shops in some grocery stores, wineries, and make-your-own are the only exceptions I'm aware of), complete exclusivity on any spirits, and compete with the governmentally controlled and protected but foreign-owned The Beer Store for beer. Cashiers are unionized and make $52,000 a year in 2013 (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...years-as-victoria-day-long-weekend-approaches). 26er of Vodka in Ontario is $26 (http://www.lcbo.ca/lcbo/product/smirnoff-vodka/67#.ViUJKlVVhB8).

It's worth noting that most cashiers in Ontario do NOT make anywhere near $52,000 a year. I would expect most to be near-minimum-wage with some exceptions. The biggest exception is the LCBO.

 

[sdifox]

cbc just called liberal majority.

 

[master_shake_]

people really listen to john oliver that's a fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=920&v=0V5ckcTSYu8

 

[sandorski]

cbc just called liberal majority.

Kinda looks like it.

 

[mmntech]

cbc just called liberal majority.

The country is royally fucked then. Back to Canada being a laughing stock on the world stage, just as it was during the 90s.

12 years of Liberal government here in Ontario. We now have the highest electricity rates in the country, and the highest debt load in the world for a sub national entity. A lot of jobs have packed up and left, especially in the vital resource sector in the north. The party is currently under a police investigation for destroying emails related to the gas plant scandal. Gas plants which they spent $1 billion+ on cutting contracts only so they could save two seats in an election. Public servant salaries that have been ballooning while private sector workers who pay their salaries have had their wages stagnate or even go down. A province which went from the economic engine to being a have not. Yet Ontario keeps voting them in. It's like a junkie getting their heroine fix. Feel good in the moment and damn the long term consequences, until you're dead.

Now the real fight begins. Reining Trudeau in and making sure he can't get away with any of the crap his father, or his buddies Kathleen Wynne and Hurricane Hazel got away with.

Fortunately my riding voted in the Conservative incumbent. Admittedly she hasn't done much lately but the Liberal running against her was a grade A scum bag. He had some pretty serious allegations of harassment against him from one of the NDP supporters.

 

[sandorski]

The country is royally fucked then. Back to Canada being a laughing stock on the world stage, just as it was during the 90s.

12 years of Liberal government here in Ontario. We now have the highest electricity rates in the country, and the highest debt load in the world for a sub national entity. A lot of jobs have packed up and left, especially in the vital resource sector in the north. The party is currently under a police investigation for destroying emails related to the gas plant scandal. Gas plants which they spent $1 billion+ on cutting contracts only so they could save two seats in an election. Public servant salaries that have been ballooning while private sector workers who pay their salaries have had their wages stagnate or even go down. A province which went from the economic engine to being a have not. Yet Ontario keeps voting them in. It's like a junkie getting their heroine fix. Feel good in the moment and damn the long term consequences, until you're dead.

Now the real fight begins. Reining Trudeau in and making sure he can't get away with any of the crap his father, or his buddies Kathleen Wynne and Hurricane Hazel got away with.

Fortunately my riding voted in the Conservative incumbent. Admittedly she hasn't done much lately but the Liberal running against her was a grade A scum bag. He had some pretty serious allegations of harassment against him from one of the NDP supporters.

Or perhaps we can start addressing real issues with real consequences.

 

[master_shake_]

The country is royally fucked then. Back to Canada being a laughing stock on the world stage, just as it was during the 90s.

12 years of Liberal government here in Ontario. We now have the highest electricity rates in the country, and the highest debt load in the world for a sub national entity. A lot of jobs have packed up and left, especially in the vital resource sector in the north. The party is currently under a police investigation for destroying emails related to the gas plant scandal. Gas plants which they spent $1 billion+ on cutting contracts only so they could save two seats in an election. Public servant salaries that have been ballooning while private sector workers who pay their salaries have had their wages stagnate or even go down. A province which went from the economic engine to being a have not. Yet Ontario keeps voting them in. It's like a junkie getting their heroine fix. Feel good in the moment and damn the long term consequences, until you're dead.

Now the real fight begins. Reining Trudeau in and making sure he can't get away with any of the crap his father, or his buddies Kathleen Wynne and Hurricane Hazel got away with.

Fortunately my riding voted in the Conservative incumbent. Admittedly she hasn't done much lately but the Liberal running against her was a grade A scum bag. He had some pretty serious allegations of harassment against him from one of the NDP supporters.

what other choice was there?

seriously.

a supremely out of touch harper.

the charismatic young candidate

or the orange guy who wouldn't exist if it wasn't for jack layton dying.

the ndp would have been better off having the young guy as well.

make it a battle of age not policy.

 

[mmntech]

Or perhaps we can start addressing real issues with real consequences.

What, "climate change" and legalizing pot? The country needs jobs right now and Liberal governments just don't come with many economic opportunities. Unless you want to work for the government.

Once again it was Toronto that pushed the Liberals over the edge. The city has far too many seats.

One of the most interesting pictures coming out this election is that Alberta voted overwhelmingly Conservative despite recently voting in an NDP government at the provincial level.

Voter turnout was also quite low again. Elections Canada is currently reporting only 41% of eligible voters came out to the polls. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for any of the parties.

 

[sandorski]

What, "climate change" and legalizing pot? The country needs jobs right now and Liberal governments just don't come with many economic opportunities. Unless you want to work for the government.

Once again it was Toronto that pushed the Liberals over the edge. The city has far too many seats.

One of the most interesting pictures coming out this election is that Alberta voted overwhelmingly Conservative despite recently voting in an NDP government at the provincial level.

Voter turnout was also quite low again. Elections Canada is currently reporting only 41% of eligible voters came out to the polls. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for any of the parties.

Alberta's recent NDP vote was an outlier. Otherwise they almost always exclusively go Conservative. So not that interesting.

Climate Change for sure. The Liberals are proposing Infrastructure Spending which will provide good economic stimulus.

 

[sdifox]

What, "climate change" and legalizing pot? The country needs jobs right now and Liberal governments just don't come with many economic opportunities. Unless you want to work for the government.

Once again it was Toronto that pushed the Liberals over the edge. The city has far too many seats.

One of the most interesting pictures coming out this election is that Alberta voted overwhelmingly Conservative despite recently voting in an NDP government at the provincial level.

Voter turnout was also quite low again. Elections Canada is currently reporting only 41% of eligible voters came out to the polls. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for any of the parties.

when was the last federal election Alberta didn't go Tory?

 

[Victorian Gray]

What, "climate change" and legalizing pot? The country needs jobs right now and Liberal governments just don't come with many economic opportunities. Unless you want to work for the government.

Once again it was Toronto that pushed the Liberals over the edge. The city has far too many seats.

One of the most interesting pictures coming out this election is that Alberta voted overwhelmingly Conservative despite recently voting in an NDP government at the provincial level.

Voter turnout was also quite low again. Elections Canada is currently reporting only 41% of eligible voters came out to the polls. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for any of the parties.

I'd like to see a link for that claim.

 

[sandorski]

Never really liked Harper, but can't say I hated him. Just didn't agree with him on much. I feel sympathy for him as he makes his concession speech. He did his best as he saw fit, made his mark on Canadian history, but now must step down and pass the PMO off. Few ever have that experience and privilege, but it must be very difficult to have it come to an end and accept that defeat graciously.

So, thanks PM Harper for carrying the burden of Leadership the distance you have.

 

[mmntech]

when was the last federal election Alberta didn't go Tory?

In the current context though, it's telling as change was expected this time. When the NDP was voted in provincially, the media loudly declared it as an end to the Conservative dynasty. A new era in Alberta politics. Even though the result was mostly due to infighting within the provincial Cons and Wild Rose. A lot of it was attributed to the growing young population in the cities, but cities stayed mostly blue this time.

I'd like to see a link for that claim.

Got it from Elections Canada. Since been revised to 47%. Will likely hover around 50% once all is said and done.
http://enr.elections.ca/National.aspx?lang=e

 

[sdifox]

Turnout over 52%

 

[Whiskey16]

Voter turnout was also quite low again. Elections Canada is currently reporting only 41% of eligible voters came out to the polls.

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Since been revised to 47%. Will likely hover around 50% once all is said and done.

No. mmntech, yet again, you're out of touch with reality. NOT ALL OF THE POLLS ARE REPORTING! NO NEWLY REGISTERED VOTERS YET INCLUDED!

In this thread, you've already been called out upon some other falsehoods. This election most certainly did not have a 20% lower showing than ever before.....

The 3 lowest voter turn outs:

28 June 2004 60.9%
28 June 2004 58.8
2 May 2011 61.1

mmntech, you're so out of touch and quite ignorant in your inability to recognise your fail ("41% turnout") as you're presenting a moving number reflecting ONLY presently tallied votes while all of the polls aren't even reporting......!:

Polls Reporting: 62,075 of 73,571 (84.37 %)

Voter Turnout: 13,999,411 of 25,638,379 registered electors (54.6 %) -- does not include electors who registered on election day.

Context, perception, and integrity. Try it.

 

[3chordcharlie]

In the current context though, it's telling as change was expected this time. When the NDP was voted in provincially, the media loudly declared it as an end to the Conservative dynasty. A new era in Alberta politics. Even though the result was mostly due to infighting within the provincial Cons and Wild Rose. A lot of it was attributed to the growing young population in the cities, but cities stayed mostly blue this time.

No, it just simply wasn't.

Got it from Elections Canada. Since been revised to 47%. Will likely hover around 50% once all is said and done.
http://enr.elections.ca/National.aspx?lang=e

Final voter turnout will almost certainly top 64%. I'm not saying that is good. But it's not 41%.

Remember 4 years ago when you thought a majority government based on less than 40% of the vote was a 'good thing'?

Do you still believe that?

We need a better democracy.

 

[mmntech]

mmntech, you're out of touch with reality and a liar.

In this thread, you'vre already been called out upon some other falsehoods. This election most certainly did not have a 20% lower showing than ever before.....

The 3 lowest voter turn outs:

28 June 2004 60.9%
28 June 2004 58.8
2 May 2011 61.1

mmntech, knock off the bullshit. As Harper has paid the price -- it's a waste of time and space. Try not to talk out of your ass with made up crap....

I make a statement which I back up with the best current information I have provided by an official source, and that makes me a liar? I don't know who the hell you are, but you're way out of line.

 

[Whiskey16]

Alberta's recent NDP vote was an outlier.

A return of the failing first-past-the-post system on a greater than two party system where vote splitting similar parties permits the relative outlier to come out as the victor.

Even hard core conservatives ought to recognise the democratic benefit to electoral reform to return more democratic and representative government.

 

[Whiskey16]

I make a statement which I back up with the best current information I have provided by an official source, and that makes me a liar? I don't know who the hell you are, but you're way out of line.

No, you failed to comprehend what you cited and foolishly gave an unrealistic prediction for the lowest ever voter turnout ....52% is it? Four hours ago? A 6% turnout????

I am quite correct in quoting what your tossed out numbers truly represent....Unfinished tallies:

Polls Reporting: 65,544 of 73,569 (89.09 %)
Voter Turnout: 15,059,175 of 25,638,379 registered electors (58.74 %) -- does not include electors who registered on election day.

You continue to fail to comprehend your source and your failure to argue with unfinished tallies.

We're all entitled to opinions, yet not all are equal. Your pre-mature ejaculation to trash the yet unknown voter turnout position is nullified. Please have the integrity to admit it.

Move along. Return with concrete knowledge.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Hope Steve enjoys retirement.

 

[Imp]

Time to open my legal

Spoiler

crack house

grow op...

 

[stormkroe]

So much FUD spread about the top 2 candidates during the campaign. I'm confused a bit about this election process. I've got a page still open that shows:
Libs 184 seats 39.6% popular vote
Cons 102 seats 32.1% popular vote

That's a huge disparity, 7.5% popular vote difference but ~80% seat difference? This seems even more un-representative than the US electoral college.

I suppose Trudeau's proposed proportional system might address this a bit?

 

[sdifox]

 

[sdifox]

So much FUD spread about the top 2 candidates during the campaign. I'm confused a bit about this election process. I've got a page still open that shows:
Libs 184 seats 39.6% popular vote
Cons 102 seats 32.1% popular vote

That's a huge disparity, 7.5% popular vote difference but ~80% seat difference? This seems even more un-representative than the US electoral college.

I suppose Trudeau's proposed proportional system might address this a bit?

first past the pole by district. Electoral college is by the whole state, which is not as representative as what we have. Still, first past the post sucks. I would like to see proportional representation.


And not all results are in yet.