Canadian Federal Election? - With Poll

[JonBarillari]

Originally posted by: stratman
Back on topic folks

Last election I did what these guys are talking about:

Originally posted by: JonBarillari
Regarding: Text

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

A spoiled ballot is just that - one that can't be counted; the term JonBarillari is looking for is 'protest ballot' in which you go to the polling station, take the ballot, and immediately hand it back unfilled. Like many traditions and superstitions in every culture, this one isn't very well understood; you may simply confuse the pollster if you try it.

EDITED: Spoiled Ballot to Protest Ballot.. Thanks 3chordcharlie

Because I didn't feel comfortable supporting any of the parties with my vote.

I'm not going to spoil my ballot again this coming election, but I'm not really sure which way I'll vote yet. I'm definately not voting NDP, as my job prospects would suffer horribly should they gain power. My worry with the Conservatives is that they'd support a war-on-drugs type initiative, suck up too much to the music/movie industries to the detriment of technology/civil-liberties, and take us back to deficit spending. The Liberals? Well, there is the whole sponsership scandle, which was pretty messed up.

If I were to vote tomorrow I'd probably vote Liberal.

Thanks for getting us back on topic!

 

[Whaspe]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Liberal/Martin--proven fiscal conservatism(arguable, but best in decades).

Conservatives want too much to be Republican North for my liking.

NDP, are the NDP. Not much to say other than they best serve the country as a Middle Power Opposition Party.

BQ, even if they ran MPs outside of Quebec and in the Riding I live, well, I wouldn't even bother paying attention to what they said

Beer or Marijuana Party, I'd cheer mightily, but never vote for them

Proven fiscal conservatism? They've also wasted alot of money and treat the country as their own playground. The fact that the countries budget is balanced is most likely from current economic realities then anything they've done. The same argument is used against Klein in Alberta and with great effect. The difference is that he at least removed the debt before bringing in the crazed spending.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Whaspe

Originally posted by: sandorski
Liberal/Martin--proven fiscal conservatism(arguable, but best in decades).

Conservatives want too much to be Republican North for my liking.

NDP, are the NDP. Not much to say other than they best serve the country as a Middle Power Opposition Party.

BQ, even if they ran MPs outside of Quebec and in the Riding I live, well, I wouldn't even bother paying attention to what they said

Beer or Marijuana Party, I'd cheer mightily, but never vote for them

Proven fiscal conservatism? They've also wasted alot of money and treat the country as their own playground. The fact that the countries budget is balanced is most likely from current economic realities then anything they've done. The same argument is used against Klein in Alberta and with great effect. The difference is that he at least removed the debt before bringing in the crazed spending.

You might criticize the Liberals since Martin took control, though the CP has to shoulder a lot of blame for deciding to reject the good budget that was originally proposed in the spring, leading to the unfortunate NDP compromise.

But you can't really claim that the Trudeau/Mulroney deficit was repaired due to economic circumstance, because it just isn't true. There was a lot of work done to balance the budget, and Canada as a whole never had the sort of windfall that Alberta has had because of oil.

As for the waste money (sponsorship), it's an absolute disgrace, but it's not even in the same order of magnitude as the deficits and surpluses the Canadian federal government faces, and that's if you put it all in one year. Unethical and criminal though it was, it's irrelevant in terms of bottomline calculations.

 

[Whaspe]

Originally posted by: DarkKnight69
I like some of the conservative policies, but harper's willingness to sell us out to the US is fvcked!

Where have you been!? He advocates actually talking and keeping a dialogue open, not slamming the door and calling them idiots or bastards.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Whaspe

Originally posted by: DarkKnight69
I like some of the conservative policies, but harper's willingness to sell us out to the US is fvcked!

Where have you been!? He advocates actually talking and keeping a dialogue open, not slamming the door and calling them idiots or bastards.

So (honestly) should we 'bargain' with the US over disputes that are already covered by previous rounds of bargaining, which no longer seem convenient to the United States?

To me that's capitulation, not dialogue, but maybe you can offer a reason why it would be a good idea?

I see the US 'won' a ruling from the WTO in the past few days. That's great. If our acceptable level of trade barriers were already enforced by the WTO, we would have no need for Canada-US free trade or NAFTA (not that I'm a fan of either).

 

[Whaspe]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Whaspe

Originally posted by: sandorski
Liberal/Martin--proven fiscal conservatism(arguable, but best in decades).

Conservatives want too much to be Republican North for my liking.

NDP, are the NDP. Not much to say other than they best serve the country as a Middle Power Opposition Party.

BQ, even if they ran MPs outside of Quebec and in the Riding I live, well, I wouldn't even bother paying attention to what they said

Beer or Marijuana Party, I'd cheer mightily, but never vote for them

Proven fiscal conservatism? They've also wasted alot of money and treat the country as their own playground. The fact that the countries budget is balanced is most likely from current economic realities then anything they've done. The same argument is used against Klein in Alberta and with great effect. The difference is that he at least removed the debt before bringing in the crazed spending.

You might criticize the Liberals since Martin took control, though the CP has to shoulder a lot of blame for deciding to reject the good budget that was originally proposed in the spring, leading to the unfortunate NDP compromise.

But you can't really claim that the Trudeau/Mulroney deficit was repaired due to economic circumstance, because it just isn't true. There was a lot of work done to balance the budget, and Canada as a whole never had the sort of windfall that Alberta has had because of oil.

As for the waste money (sponsorship), it's an absolute disgrace, but it's not even in the same order of magnitude as the deficits and surpluses the Canadian federal government faces, and that's if you put it all in one year. Unethical and criminal though it was, it's irrelevant in terms of bottomline calculations.

So then as you admit, morally they should be ousted.

My complaints with Martin's Liberals: 1. Their National Daycare Plan favours families where both parents are working, instead of giving a credit which can either be applied to daycare for your children or tax relief. My wife wants to stay home with our kids while they're young... should we be punished for this? Effectively they're saying they will do a better job.

2. Although they are using the upcoming Aboriginal meeting a way to cling to power... what have they done with the waste that is our First Nations Budget? A quick look into the billions we spend shows a culture of entitlement mentality. I don't think we're getting our money's worth.

3. They've failed to address western alienation, and used to survive in the last election.

4. They support cliche's and "popular sentiment" instead of proven ways of addressing a problem. For instance, their dogged persistence in "defending National Healthcare!" What does that even mean? Instead of trying to chose a plan effectively balancing budgets with providing equal care they pretend to take the high road while the provinces are left to think up something. This works into using these attempts to villify their opponents.

5. Sponsorship scandal... if re-elected all we'll have told them is that they should be more sneaky when stealing.

 

[Whaspe]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Whaspe

Originally posted by: DarkKnight69
I like some of the conservative policies, but harper's willingness to sell us out to the US is fvcked!

Where have you been!? He advocates actually talking and keeping a dialogue open, not slamming the door and calling them idiots or bastards.

So (honestly) should we 'bargain' with the US over disputes that are already covered by previous rounds of bargaining, which no longer seem convenient to the United States?

To me that's capitulation, not dialogue, but maybe you can offer a reason why it would be a good idea?

I see the US 'won' a ruling from the WTO in the past few days. That's great. If our acceptable level of trade barriers were already enforced by the WTO, we would have no need for Canada-US free trade or NAFTA (not that I'm a fan of either).

You can command a enemies respect and still fight him to the death. An effective leader would be able to do this. And the US are our largest trading partners, not enemies.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Whaspe

So then as you admit, morally they should be ousted.

I admit there has been a breakdown of trust. It's still up to Canadians to choose the government they think is best. I fully expect the next government to be a minority Liberal or Conservative government, and I just hope this time Stephen Harper decides to play 'government' instead of 'power-grab' when he sees his poll numbers jump up a bit. At this point the COnservative party is the only one I can safely say will not get my vote.

My complaints with Martin's Liberals: 1. Their National Daycare Plan favours families where both parents are working, instead of giving a credit which can either be applied to daycare for your children or tax relief. My wife wants to stay home with our kids while they're young... should we be punished for this? Effectively they're saying they will do a better job.

I'm not too familiar with the plan's coverage; I'd imagine there's a clawback point (there should be) so that it only really covers childcare for families that need two incomes to maintain a decent standard of living. I know my own mother quit work because after daycare costs she was working for about 15k a year after taxes (at a 50Kish job), but that was a long time ago, I don't know how daycare plans have changed; at that time, at least, there didn't seem to be much support for middle class families. Now, I don't know your financial situation, but it can't be too bad, or a 'tax credit' wouldn't be much good to you. At any rate, I think childcare credits should be limited to the part of the population that needs them (btw, before someone calls me a hypocrite, I'd say the same thing about healthcare if you could become a doctor by taking a three weekend course, making it easy to fill needed physician's positions).

2. Although they are using the upcoming Aboriginal meeting a way to cling to power... what have they done with the waste that is our First Nations Budget? A quick look into the billions we spend shows a culture of entitlement mentality. I don't think we're getting our money's worth.

You're very right, we should settle the treaty claims that have been outstanding for more than a century, pay whatever a court or mediator decides is the fair cost (it will likely be billions, country-wide, in payment for broken treaties) and be done with it.

3. They've failed to address western alienation, and used to survive in the last election.

Western alienation comes from a province that came into a good deal of money through oil, after a proud history of being on the 'receiving' end of federalism, and all of a sudden believed in free markets and 'my money'. I have no sympathy for Alberta, whatsoever, and likely never will, and I have no sympathy for Ontario (where I live) or Toronto (where I grew up). I also have no patience for whining about these places, because they are the engines that drive the country's social programs.

4. They support cliche's and "popular sentiment" instead of proven ways of addressing a problem. For instance, their dogged persistence in "defending National Healthcare!" What does that even mean? Instead of trying to chose a plan effectively balancing budgets with providing equal care they pretend to take the high road while the provinces are left to think up something. This works into using these attempts to villify their opponents.

The solution lies in taking on the college of physicians. Always has, always will. Of course every western country has an equivalent body, which is why there is a world-wide shortage of first-class doctors. It isn't a lack of talent in the population at large it's a scheme to keep doctors' - and particularly specialists' - wages even higher than they should be (not that I begrudge doctors making good money, or even as much as they make now, just that it isn't justified by an actual market for doctors).

5. Sponsorship scandal... if re-elected all we'll have told them is that they should be more sneaky when stealing.

Did you know that after Mike Harris round one, he actually got more votes for round two? That's when he got really busy gifting Ontario's assets to his corporate buddies. No 100 million dollars there - the 407 was underpaid for by a billion dollars, easily.

Be thankful the Liberals are a minority right now (I am).

 

[JonBarillari]

bump for todays vote of non-confidence

 

[Horus]

Originally posted by: desy
Conservative
Unless you haven't been watching Caroline Parish and the Liberal culture of entitlement for the last 12 or so years.
Doesn't political corruption mean anything? I now need a firearms card, a boaters card , soon a national identity card. Taxes have increased, Liberal Pork rolls on, its time for a new hand at the helm. The NDP and Bloc are incapable of governing.
The conservatives will never be Republicans north, we are CANADIANS remember?
They won't go against any institutions currently embedded and there are many things that need fixin on a Federal Level that just isn't happening.

additionally, even though the polls say it would be a minority gov't again now doesn't mean squat almost 20% are undecided and campaigns tend to swing on momentum.
The last election had Harper with a MAJORITY government at one point in polling.

You're deluded. Everything that Canada has led the way on (Gay marraige, Marajuana, healthcare, Environment) will be ruined by Harper. He scares me.

Also, the cons support the Republicans. They wanted to send troops to Iraq. I am a citizen soldier. I do NOT want to go to that hellhole and watch my friends FVCKING DIE for no reason!

Canadians, I plead with you. What would you rather have - A government that wastes some money that would be wasted anyways, or a government that sends your chiildren, brothers, husbands or fathers to DIE in a useless, unmidigated disaster of a war?

Take the right choice, and vote for ANYONE but Steven Harper and his Republican Light party!

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Martin
Of course it would cost more, shipping oil to China would not be as cheap as shipping it to the US, but as they say, freedom isn't free.

Unlike you I feel freedom includes free trade and not be at the mercy of a few shipping companies.

Odd how you call that "freedom"

Odd that you'd sell your ability to make independent decisions for a few extra bucks.

The US and Canada are in a free trade agreement, the independent decision has already been made, it wasn't mine, or my country's decision to make.

I don't understand how you want to create freedom by altering free trade.

Do keep in mind that free trade with the US comes with a big asterisk at the end.

And you seem to have gotten stuck on free trade for some reason. We are talking about relations in general, and trade is just one acpect of that. I believe the government's priority should be weaning Canada off the US and makign it more independent and less doormattish.

Cut off free trade and eliminate jobs, it is as simple as that. Who cares about the stupid governments and their stupid squabbles? Free trade occurs between regular folks just trying to make a living. You won't hurt the U.S. government by cutting off free trade anymore than you would eliminate jobs and create poverty.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Cut off free trade and eliminate jobs, it is as simple as that. Who cares about the stupid governments and their stupid squabbles? Free trade occurs between regular folks just trying to make a living. You won't hurt the U.S. government by cutting off free trade anymore than you would eliminate jobs and create poverty.

Canada-US free trade isn't really free, because Washington feels quite free to ignore any treaty it has ever signed, whenever it's convenient.

 

[desy]

Horus your panicing take a breath, stop reading the TO Star and here is the reality
Gay marriage conservatives against and from most polls so are most of the avg citizens During the House vote on gay marriage in June, almost three dozen Liberal MPs voted against their government and opposed the legislation. Martin forced Cabinet members to vote in favour.
Rammed down our throats by THE LIEBERALS
Marijuanna, so happens I'm against this too after some research, I fail to see the point again most Canadians against de-criminalization
Rammed down our throats by THE LIEBERALS
Health Care, actually looking at a more European model not the US model
Since 20 countries do it better than the US or Canada according to the WHO wouldn't it be smart to adopt their model? Nope using health care as fear mongering is much more politically salient.
I work a Federal Environment Canada building, I can tell you Liberals get a C- on the Environment, Health Care funding isn't the only thing they cut to get the Billion $ surpluses that they bribe you with. On the environment, a Simon Fraser University study rates us 28th out of the 30 countries in the OECD, partly because of our signal lack of progress on reducing carbon dioxide emissions -- the issue on which the Prime Minister boasts we are "the conscience of the world."

All the corruption, failed defense strategy ALMOST breaking up Canada in 95 in their response to the vote in Quebec how can you forgive all this?
Just for fun here is a list of some of the things you seem to have forgot in 12 yrs.

1. Cancelling the Sea King replacement
2. Sponsorship scandal
3. Gun Registry
4. HRDC boondoggle
5. Problems with Transition Job Funds program
6. Tainted blood
7. Radwanski Spending Affair
8. Pearson Airport
9. GST Flip Flop
10. Airbus Investigation
11. Voting against Red Book promise of independent Ethics Commissioner
12. Irving fishing lodge stays/travel on Irving jets for cabinet ministers
13. Martin traveling on private corporate jets as Finance Minister
14. Don Boudria?s stay at Boulay owned chalet
15. Denis Coderre staying with Boulay
16. Alfonso Gagliano being appointed Ambassador to Denmark
17. Shawinigate
18. Claude Gauthier (PM?s friend)?s Transelec getting CIDA grant that was questioned by the Auditor General and even CIDA.
19. Liberal fundraiser Pierre Corbeil charged with fraud by RCMP after he approached several Quebec companies seeking federal job training grants and asking for payments to Liberal Party, having gotten the names from senior Quebec Liberal Minister, Marcel Massé.
20. Michel Dupuy, Heritage Minister, lobbying the CRTC.
21. Tom Wappel refusing to help blind veteran
22. Gagliano?s son benefiting from contracts from his father?s department
23. Gagliano?s former speechwriter, Michèle Tremblay was on a $5,000 a month retainer with the Canada Lands Company to provide speeches for the Minister. Former President John Grant let her go saying ?we got nothing in return.? Grant claimed that all Crown Corporations reporting to Mr. Gagliano were told to put Ms. Tremblay on a monthly retainer.
24. Iltis replacement
25. Purchase of new Challenger jets for the Prime Minister and cabinet
26. NATO Flying Training program contract
27. Liberal friends appointed as IRB judges being investigated by RCMP
28. Hedy Fry?s imaginary burning crosses
29. Maria Minna?s improper municipal vote
30. Minna giving contracts to two former campaign staffers for public relations work for a conference that had already been held
31. Lawrence MacAulay and contracts directed to Holland College
32. Lawrence MacAulay and Tim Banks
33. Lawrence MacAulay hired his official agent, Everett Roche, for $70K, but Roche never did any work for it. (Oct 2002)
34. Art Eggleton and contracts to his ex-girlfriend
35. Copps? aide Boyer?s spending habits
36. Collenette resigns for breach of ethical guidelines involving a letter he wrote to the Immigration and Refugee Board
37. APEC Inquiry
38. Andy Scott's 1998 resignation that came eight weeks too late, after a media circus wore him down for indiscreetly shooting his mouth off on an airplane.
39. Anti-American comments by Liberal MPs, officials, and the former Minister of Natural Resources.
40. Rock and the Apotex/Cipro affair
41. Rock giving Health Canada contract to car cleaning company.
42. Manley lobbying CIBC on behalf of Rod Bryden
43. Manley?s fundraiser suggesting donors to his leadership write it off as a business expense.
44. Manley using his pre-budget consultations as Minister of Finance to solicit support for his leadership bid.
45. Coderre?s relationship with Group Everest
46. Martin?s fundraiser/employee of Finance Jim Palmer
47. Martin?s ?blind trust? and his relationship with CSL.
48. Gerry Byrne requesting fundraising money be sent to his home address, with no records kept.
49. Gerry Byrne pouring bulk of ACOA money into his own riding.
50. Virginia Fontaine Addictions Foundation
51. Prime Minister?s former assistant, Denise Tremblay?s huge travel expenses on Veterans Review and Appeal Board as Minister pleaded poverty to veterans? widows.
52. Chrétien appointing Hon. Roger Simmons (former Trudeau minister convicted of income tax evasion) as Consul-General in Seattle
53. Chrétien trying to bring hit-and-run driver Carignan back into caucus.
54. The RCMP is investigating possible fraud and bribery within Industry Canada, involving possible "overpayments" to recipients of federal business grants. The probe centres on the National Research Council, which hands out federal grants to small- and medium-sized businesses.
55. More than half a dozen bureaucrats have been "removed" from their jobs at a Human Resources Development Canada (HRDC) in Toronto following a police investigation into projects funded under one of the department's grants and contributions programs
56. Revenue Minister Elinor Caplan called in the RCMP and ordered a sweeping security review after four tax department computers were stolen containing confidential personal information on more than 120,000 Canadians.
57. More than $7 billion stashed in Foundations by Finance Minister Paul Martin with little or no accountability
58. Dhaliwal overseing Richmond-airport-Vancouver transit line while being owner of the airport limousine service
59. Tom Rosser, former Dhaliwal advisor lobbying Natural Resources department and minister on environmental issues only months after leaving government.
60. $5.3 million GG northern travel
61. GG budget doubles in 5 years
62. Robert Thibault giving a grant as ACOA minister to a wharf and boatyard where his brother-in-law has a monopoly.
63. Royal LePage contract, which the government was forced to cancel in the wake of serious concerns being raised.
64. Shutting down the Somalia Inquiry
65. Home heating rebate, which was sent to prisoners and deceased.
66. Martin firing Bernard Dussault, Chief Actuary of CPP
67. Ethel Blondin-Andrew buys fur coat on government credit card
68. Chrétien?s imaginary homeless friend.
69. Liberal MP Rick Laliberte?s extensive travel budget
70. Liberal Senator Thompson living in Mexico
71. Vendetta against former BDC President François Beaudoin
72. The flag give-away ? which estimates suggest might now have cost $45 million instead of the promised $6 million, and reportedly involved fake invoices.
73. Gagliano?s two week trip, at taxpayers? expense, for a two day event with the head of the Royal Canadian Mint and Maurizio Caruso.
74. Secretary of State for multiculturalism and status of women Sheila Finestone using government car (which junior ministers are only allowed to use for government business) to drive home to Montreal, which even Sheila Copps criticized. (Ottawa Citizen, May 22, 1994)
75. Liberal MP Jag Bhaduria?s hate mail to his former employers, wishing that they had been shot by killer Marc Lepine
76. Liberal MP Jag Bhaduria making false claims about his academic qualifications.
77. Paul Martin and Maria Minna attending fundraising dinner for group linked to Tamil Tigers in May 2000 (National Post, Sept. 8th, 2001).
78. David Anderson, as National Revenue Minister, suing the government for lost wages after being removed as IRB appointee by Conservative government seeking $454,000 from a deficit-ravaged federal treasury. (Vancouver Sun, July 24, 2004). Anderson eventually agreed to drop the suit.
79. David Anderson suggesting that the BC doesn?t need extra House of Commons seats, because they wouldn't be worth much given the poor quality of most West Coast MPs. (Vancouver Sun, July 24, 2004)
80. A consultant on an executive interchange program persuaded Natural Resources to undertake a $700-million reorganization of its research facilities for which no business case had been made. The program was fast-tracked because he had developed a social relationship with the deputy minister. He was eventually charged with diverting $525,000 to a numbered company he controlled. (Globe and Mail, May 30, 2005)

And the list continues under Prime Minister Martin:

81. Raid on reporter Juliet O?Neill?s home by RCMP
82. Permanent Resident Cards
83. Judy Sgro going on vacation as cards became mandatory and landed immigrants were left stranded
84. Minister Frulla?s renovations
85. Pay raises for chiefs-of-staff in ministers offices, while spending is frozen for public service.
86. The government?s changing numbers on how much money has gone to CSL
87. Lobbyists in Paul Martin?s transition team being allowed to return to lobbying immediately, after being involved in process of picking new cabinet and senior staff.
88. Minister Comuzzi?s anti-Quebec comments
89. Martin government using closure after only six days in the House of Commons, followed by using time allocation in the Senate.
90. Problems with DND?s contracts with Compaq Computers that may have cost taxpayers up to $159 million for work not performed.
91. Martin using government jets to tour the country campaigning before election, spending up to $1 million for air travel alone.
92. Martin?s relationship with Earnscliffe
93. Questionable contracts to Earnscliffe
94. The appointment of former Liberal MLA Howard Sapers as the Correctional Investigator of Canada
95. Pierre Pettigrew?s flip flopping on health care
96. David Dingwall?s expenses as head of Royal Canadian Mint
97. Liberals planning to give David Dingwall a severance package after he resigned
98. The secret National Unity Fund reserve
99. Calling an early election after earlier promising first to get to the bottom of the sponsorship scandal
100. Martin suggesting changes to legislation and introducing bill that benefited CSL, despite concerns from his own Deputy Minister that he was in a conflict-of-interest (Ottawa Citizen, May 26, 2004)

 

[Kntx]

I'd like to vote for the conservatives... but for the fact that Harper wrote a letter to US newspapers apologizing for Canada not going to Iraq. Gives me the feeling that if he were in charge they'd say jump and he'd ask how high.

 

[desy]

At the time and this is where hind sight is 20/20 if you excluded Quebec where they were 80% not in favour of going in the US a MAJORITY of Canadians wanted us to be there just like Afghanistan.
The reason we didn't is cause Cretien wanted a Liberal provincial gov't to be voted in Quebec as that was going on at the same time. By going in with the US would have poisoned the Provincial Liberals chances and Charest wouldn't have ousted the separatists. I'm so tired of Liberal kiss-arse to Quebec I could puke , how many more billions are we going to pump into Bombardier?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Cut off free trade and eliminate jobs, it is as simple as that. Who cares about the stupid governments and their stupid squabbles? Free trade occurs between regular folks just trying to make a living. You won't hurt the U.S. government by cutting off free trade anymore than you would eliminate jobs and create poverty.

Canada-US free trade isn't really free, because Washington feels quite free to ignore any treaty it has ever signed, whenever it's convenient.

That doesn't mean that Canada cannot allow imports to freely enter the country with no strings attached.

 

[meltdown75]

as of now, i'll be voting Liberal.

however, i'm waiting for the calendar to read January 2006 and the holiday season to fade. i think the rhetoric will really heat up and the mudslinging will be at an all-time high in Canadian politics. i'm interested to see who can maintain at least some integrity without completely lying through their teeth.

 

[desy]

Vote Liberal?
I don't think so

According to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), Canadians' personal income tax burden is the highest of all the G-7 countries and has been for almost one decade.

The Fraser Institute -- which calculates Tax Freedom Day -- says taxation by Canadian governments at all levels accounts for 48% of total household income.

In 1993, Tax Freedom Day -- that being the day you stop working for government and start working for yourself and your family, was June 6.


In 2005, Tax Freedom Day fell on June 26. In other words, we're all working an extra three weeks to feed the ravenous (and in the case of the feds, corrupt and thieving) government machines that are recording record surpluses every year. While Tax Freedom Day calculates all the taxes Canadians pay, fully four months of the six months we toil for taxes is spent fuelling the federal government

Taxes