Canadian Rambo kills 3 officers, manhunt underway

[irishScott]

The gun control laws in Canada are actually much more less strict than people think....a lot less strict than lots of states in the USA.

I'm not so sure about that. I know Canada has ammo storage laws that make it impossible to keep guns loaded while not in use, plus the 5 round magazine capacity you mentioned for rifles, plus registration, plus a general lack of right to self defense.

Some US states may come close as of last year, but I'm pretty sure Canada's got them all beat overall.

 

[OutHouse]

gun control fail.


<< says a prayer for my fallen brothers.

 

[Northern Lawn]

http://us.cnn.com/2014/06/05/world/canada-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

They said he has two assault rifles, a crossbow and knife

That is Justin Trudeau. He's the Liberal Leader up here in Canada and a Muslim supporter. He supports various terrorist organizations such as CAIR... obviously he's pissed.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Wow sounds like a pretty insane guy. It's not very often something like this happens here.

 

[Red Squirrel]

That is Justin Trudeau. He's the Liberal Leader up here in Canada and a Muslim supporter. He supports various terrorist organizations such as CAIR... obviously he's pissed.

LOL it actually does look like him.

French Translation for Justin Trudeau: Juste un trou d'eau

:biggrin:

Actually he did have some good ideas and what not but I have not followed anything in a while, but from what I hear people don't like him. I need to follow politics more, but I'm more preoccupied with the tech related politics in the states instead. Those sorta affect us too. But need to look at our own politics as well.

 

[PastTense]

He has been caught, but no further details:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...oting-suspect-still-at-large/article18998875/

 

[lozina]

When insane criminals shoot cops the answer is for cops to become more militarized, heavier equipment.

When insane criminals shoot law abiding civilians the answer is to take guns away from other law abiding civilians

 

[Red Squirrel]

When insane criminals shoot cops the answer is for cops to become more militarized, heavier equipment.

When insane criminals shoot law abiding civilians the answer is to take guns away from other law abiding civilians

I think sometimes it's best to just try to take it easy. At least nobody was shot by the cops. If this was LA there would have been several casualties as a result of law enforcement and tons of property damage.

Though I wonder why they did not station a few snipers around. I guess they wanted him alive.

 

[Northern Lawn]

Yeah, they should have called that cop that murdered that other guy on the street car in Toronto at least it would be justified this time.

 

[DaTT]

I'm not so sure about that. I know Canada has ammo storage laws that make it impossible to keep guns loaded while not in use, plus the 5 round magazine capacity you mentioned for rifles, plus registration, plus a general lack of right to self defense.

Some US states may come close as of last year, but I'm pretty sure Canada's got them all beat overall.

I believe New York has some extremely strict gun laws. Are you even allowed to have an assault rifle in the city?

 

[DaTT]

He has been caught, but no further details:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...oting-suspect-still-at-large/article18998875/

I am very surprised he was taken alive.

 

[alkemyst]

I am very surprised he was taken alive.

He's Canadian, probably rolled up in the fetal position when he was cornered.

 

[Number1]

It's a shame that someone didn't pull out their deer rifle as this POS was walking down the street and blown half his fucking head off.

I certainly would have had mine out and ready.

 

[DaTT]

I certainly would have had mine out and ready.

Unfortunately the good Samaritan would more than likely have been charged.

 

[Number1]

Unfortunately the good Samaritan would more than likely have been charged.

I think if I saw an armed murderer on my property and given a clean shot I would take my chances.

 

[OlafSicky]

I certainly would have had mine out and ready.

In canada you would have spend more time in jail than this guy after killing 3 cops. He probably won't even go to jail just a mental facility and be released after 5 or 7 years.

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

they took him alive? Shucks, he'll just plead insanity. Have a thirty day psych evaluation. Be put in an institute for two years. Be deemed worthy for reintegration. And be released within three years. Canada's penal system is fail.

EDIT: I'm serious. Look at the dude that cut another guys head off on a passenger bus in Winnipeg. All he had to say was "i forgot to take my pills" and boom, now he's out roaming the streets again.

 

[OlafSicky]

they took him alive? Shucks, he'll just plead insanity. Have a thirty day psych evaluation. Be put in an institute for two years. Be deemed worthy for reintegration. And be released within three years. Canada's penal system is fail.

EDIT: I'm serious. Look at the dude that cut another guys head off on a passenger bus in Winnipeg. All he had to say was "i forgot to take my pills" and boom, now he's out roaming the streets again.

If i remember that story correctly he also cut the guys chest open and started to eat his heart

 

[NuroMancer]

It's actually not that hard to get a gun here -- the local Bass Pro Mills shop is wall to wall with guns. There are certain restrictions, but you're generally allowed to have them -- not sure about "assault weapons". I briefly looked into it a while ago: I need to sign up for a gun club, register, and wait 6-8 weeks.

Incorrect.

You require a PAL (Possession and Acquisition License) which means you have to take a course and take an exam, practical and written (or challenge it). This then get submitted to the RCMP who review the file, call your references, and do a background check. (and its a different exam and course for a restricted license). Its not that this step is particularly hard, but its not nearly as easy as you say (and you don't need to sign up for a gun club).

Canadian firearm laws are extremely convoluted and have not aged well with the new firearms that have come out but to say their extremely lax I would say thats incorrect.

 

[Imp]

Incorrect.

You require a PAL (Possession and Acquisition License) which means you have to take a course and take an exam, practical and written (or challenge it). This then get submitted to the RCMP who review the file, call your references, and do a background check. (and its a different exam and course for a restricted license). Its not that this step is particularly hard, but its not nearly as easy as you say (and you don't need to sign up for a gun club).

Canadian firearm laws are extremely convoluted and have not aged well with the new firearms that have come out but to say their extremely lax I would say thats incorrect.

I didn't say they were extremely lax, just not as impossible as they were made to seem. Ya, forgot about the exam part and the, at least, two types of licenses. I lumped the background check into the 6-8 weeks.

Unfortunately, there isn't much point in having one for me. My impression is that if I ever used it for home/self-defense, I'd probably go to jail longer than the other guy. Maybe I'll take up hunting...

 

[NuroMancer]

I didn't say they were extremely lax, just not as impossible as they were made to seem. Ya, forgot about the exam part and the, at least, two types of licenses. I lumped the background check into the 6-8 weeks.

Unfortunately, there isn't much point in having one for me. My impression is that if I ever used it for home/self-defense, I'd probably go to jail longer than the other guy. Maybe I'll take up hunting...

Your correct, even pointing it AT someone is a criminal offense here.

Now in a in home, self defense senario, I'd take my chances. What the crown prosecutes you for and what a Jury will convict you on. I'd rather be alive to find that out.

 

[Number1]

In canada you would have spend more time in jail than this guy after killing 3 cops. He probably won't even go to jail just a mental facility and be released after 5 or 7 years.

You sound just like my wife when I tell her I would shoot an intruder in my house. Now, it would take some time to get ready to shoot the intruder because my rifles all have trigger locks and are locked up in a gun case upstairs. The keys are in the kitchen on the main level and my ammo are stored in the basement.
I would need a patient intruder........

I just like to think I am bad ass.

Now in this case, knowing there is a mad man on the loose, the rifles would be ready.

 

[DaTT]

I think if I saw an armed murderer on my property and given a clean shot I would take my chances.

If he was approaching your front door, or an entry point to your home (putting your life in danger) , you would more than likely not see a cell, but if was just walking by your house you would end up in jail.

 

[IGemini]

I believe New York has some extremely strict gun laws. Are you even allowed to have an assault rifle in the city?

Gonna open with really hating this question since the definition of "assault rifle" has been so bastardized to be virtually worthless. To me "assault rifle" means any rifle that shoots more than one round with a single trigger pull (see: full-auto or burst fire). The uneducated media definition somehow lumped in semi-auto AR-15s into this based largely entirely on appearance.

Also growing up the farthest away from NYC, I never consider "New York" to be the city.
</rant>

But yes, NYC laws are really restrictive. The "SAFE Act" last year effectively banned whatever NY considered an "assault rifle" and required selling/transferring them out of the state by last April. It's a convoluted and royally fucking stupid list of features I don't care to repost, but it makes true assault weapons outright taboo. But they've made rifles that are functionally identical to the ones they banned but NY-legal, which gives one an idea of how effective the whole thing really is.

Every firearm in NYC requires licensing, even to purchase. Getting a carry permit is even harder and requires what they consider "justifiable reasoning." Canada is the same I understand

Are all the laws worse than Canada? Not sure. There's a lot of overlap but each side has provisions that seem a little better than the other.