So what? I think they may have learned something. No LGBT Parade last 3 fucking weeks. They were warned, they ignored, and now these are the consequences. womp womp.
The fact that you can lose your entire business based on your views or your participation in a peaceful protest is not something that should be celebrated no matter which side you're on. This is the kind of shit Russia does to it's people, it's sad to see it here too.
Consider if it was the other way around, a conservative government in power, and losing your business because you used your truck to participate in a LGBT parade. Basically same thing.
They have essentially made protesting illegal by attaching consequences to it. This is not something we should be celebrating at all. I know you people don't care about freedom but I'm sure at some point there will be a protest about something you care about, how would you feel if they also punished those people?
The truckers who participated are basically martyrs. They've started a movement, and finally we are actually seeing some of the overreaching policies being lifted a bit at a time. It's up to rest of us to continue to fight at this point. They're already talking about bringing back all this crap in spring, so this is not exactly a victory, just a small step in right direction.
You are such an idiot. "Basically" same thing, except fucking not.Consider if it was the other way around, a conservative government in power, and losing your business because you used your truck to participate in a LGBT parade. Basically same thing.
"Basically", except fucking not.The truckers who participated are basically martyrs.
The fact that you can lose your entire business based on your views or your participation in a peaceful protest is not something that should be celebrated no matter which side you're on. This is the kind of shit Russia does to it's people, it's sad to see it here too.
Consider if it was the other way around, a conservative government in power, and losing your business because you used your truck to participate in a LGBT parade. Basically same thing.
They have essentially made protesting illegal by attaching consequences to it. This is not something we should be celebrating at all. I know you people don't care about freedom but I'm sure at some point there will be a protest about something you care about, how would you feel if they also punished those people?
Peaceful? damn your delusional.....but then again you were one of the many fools that gave money to the convoyThe fact that you can lose your entire business based on your views or your participation in a peaceful protest is not something that should be celebrated no matter which side you're on.
The fact that you can lose your entire business based on your views or your participation in a peaceful protest is not something that should be celebrated no matter which side you're on. This is the kind of shit Russia does to it's people, it's sad to see it here too.
Consider if it was the other way around, a conservative government in power, and losing your business because you used your truck to participate in a LGBT parade. Basically same thing.
They have essentially made protesting illegal by attaching consequences to it. This is not something we should be celebrating at all. I know you people don't care about freedom but I'm sure at some point there will be a protest about something you care about, how would you feel if they also punished those people?
The truckers who participated are basically martyrs. They've started a movement, and finally we are actually seeing some of the overreaching policies being lifted a bit at a time. It's up to rest of us to continue to fight at this point. They're already talking about bringing back all this crap in spring, so this is not exactly a victory, just a small step in right direction.
It was not a peaceful protest. Please stop repeating this demonstrably false claim. From the start, there was harassment, assault and vandalism. Key organizers were overt racists, and bigotry was frequent even if "just" a handful were visually presenting it with Confederate flags, Nazi flags and white supremacist jackets. I've described some of the more egregious incidents before. There's mountains of evidence to support this, and that includes people I know in Ottawa.
Also, news flash: the protesters accomplished nothing. Absolutely nothing. The prairie provinces that were quick to remove mandates? They'd planned that since the fall, based on modelling. Ontario's plan still includes mandates for a while, and the lightening restrictions are based on (you guessed it) data and modelling, not the protests.
And I'm sorry, but if you use a company truck for a protest without permission, that's still a problem no matter how just your cause may be. Do you have the right to protest peacefully (not that occupying a downtown core and harassing its citizens is peaceful)? Yes. Do you have the right to use company property to do it? No. It's really not hard to either use your own vehicle or ask for a ride.
The truckers aren't "martyrs." The protests have died out; the only ones worshipping them as gods, like you do, are the ones who were already firmly on their side. I know of multiple right-wing people (particularly in Ottawa) who now say they'll refuse to vote Conservative in the next federal election due to that party's reluctance to condemn (and in some cases, its support of) the truckers. In fact, Angus Reid polling shows the occupations made Canadians more inclined to support mask and vaccine mandates. Congratulations, truckers, you alienated the people you were trying to reach.
It's very weird being here for over 20 years and watching people slowly slip into insanity.
I missed the last LGBT parade that shut down a city center and disrupted international trade for weeks. Can you please link up an example?
Just like folks in real life. My brother-in-law's sister went down the Fox News Trumpie rabbithole. So did my good friend's brother. His mom and my friend are both progressive but he started listening to far right podcasts and youtube stuff and now he is a goner too. They just never bring up politics or it goes real downhill real fast.
Seems like a bit of a reach to say it was not "peaceful". Is your second sentence supposed to have an "en masse" to finish it?It was not a peaceful protest. Please stop repeating this demonstrably false claim. From the start, there was harassment, assault and vandalism. Key organizers were overt racists, and bigotry was frequent even if "just" a handful were visually presenting it with Confederate flags, Nazi flags and white supremacist jackets. I've described some of the more egregious incidents before. There's mountains of evidence to support this, and that includes people I know in Ottawa.
Yea, the COVID numbers per capita on the east side of the Cascades was very different than on the west side.Yep I watched a guy I knew sort of adjacently via a hobby group I'm in. We had chatted a number of times via facebook, some general politics discussions, kids, beer ect and was a decent dude. He was eastern state WA so that's already a red flag. Once Covid hit he and his wife started getting progressively more cringey in posts. Eventually started posting Qanon stuff about supporting those protesting child sex trafficking (another red flag). Then eventually ended up going to Texas border to do *something* and went facebook silent.
Crazy.
I wouldn't call it a violent protest either overall but it certainly was nothing like what squirrel is trying to say, an LGBTQ parade. I mean to say that just shows a complete disconnect with reality due to a severe bias of right-wing lunacy.Seems like a bit of a reach to say it was not "peaceful". Is your second sentence supposed to have an "en masse" to finish it?
If not, then you are deficient in specifying how many individuals actually engaged in harassment or assault. It's be one thing if they all had guns or knives and beat up everyone. There is also a distinction between being peaceful/nonviolent and crossing in the realm of civil disobedience. If everyone or the majority of that crowd were be properly violent, then they would be past the point of either peaceful/nonviolent or civil disobedience. .
However, people in the Anglosphere are human and likes it when their side has latitude to intentionally frustrate operations using nonviolent or civil disobedience but always wants to crush the opposition when they exploit the same systemic de facto methods of disruption. The reason such systemic "weakness" exists is because there have been battles in the past where a sufficiently powerful group has dissent against the symbol of power going all the way back to the Magna Carta.
The matter is that the state is not able to determine the rightness or wrongness of its current position in the moment when a protest it starts. To the government of British India back at the start of his movement, Ghandi was a lawbreaker of that state's law and a criminal for illegally boiling salt. Likewise, MLK was imprisoned for a minor crime and that strict enforcement backfired, as the case ultimately got appealed all the way to the Supreme Court.
if a hundred or so trucks were in your neighbourhood, honking fucking horns consistantly for 3 weeks and intimidating anyone not in the same mindset as them , you'd call that peaceful?Seems like a bit of a reach to say it was not "peaceful".
An LGBTQ parade is unlikely to use such specific tactics, yes.I wouldn't call it a violent protest either overall but it certainly was nothing like what squirrel is trying to say, an LGBTQ parade. I mean to say that just shows a complete disconnect with reality due to a severe bias of right-wing lunacy.
The protest in Ottawa was an economic siege and shut down of a crucial downtown area as well as some cross-border areas and other important transportation infrastructure for an extended period of time.
For someone to compare that to a pride parade is just insane and shows how far gone these people are
The definition of peaceful protest can vary, but it often is defined by the protests lacking in violence rather that the protests themselves always being perfectly tranquil or non-disruptive. Some use nonviolent because it is less prone to being misunderstood. The problem is that the terms like peaceful protest, nonviolent protest, civil disobedience are often used interchangeably in the press and casual conversation.if a hundred or so trucks were in your neighbourhood, honking fucking horns consistantly for 3 weeks and intimidating anyone not in the same mindset as them , you'd call that peaceful?
I get it, I get it.. when there's a violence at a right-wing protest, it must've been some undercover ANTIFA operatives. Proud Boys are never capable of violence. /sThe definition of peaceful protest can vary, but it often is defined by the protests lacking in violence rather that the protests themselves always being perfectly tranquil or non-disruptive. Some use nonviolent because it is less prone to being misunderstood. The problem is that the terms like peaceful protest, nonviolent protest, civil disobedience are often used interchangeably in the press and casual conversation.
In the sense of the definition of "being tranquil", the trucker protests were not peaceful. Some dictionaries do include as a definition of peaceful as "not involving violence or force". These protests could arguably be "peaceful" in that latter sense.
Yes, they violated certain laws, but while noise is disruptive and can be very harmful to quality of life/quiet enjoyment, it's hard to argue it's violent or threatening.
Loud music being blasted next door or on levels above or below would be a noise violation. Depending on the locale, chronic noise could be a misdemeanor. But unless the violator is being violent or intimidating as well, it would not induce fear.
As for intimidation, that also depends on the acts done to cause the intimidation and how widespread people were doing those actions. Weapons, raised fists, threatening poses are such acts that really do cause a fear of life or limb. Or perhaps widespread, vandalism, theft, property destruction by a substantially large portion of the crowd. A few bad apples would not be enough to say the collective was intimidating.
Seems like a bit of a reach to say it was not "peaceful". Is your second sentence supposed to have an "en masse" to finish it?
If not, then you are deficient in specifying how many individuals actually engaged in harassment or assault. It's be one thing if they all had guns or knives and beat up everyone. There is also a distinction between being peaceful/nonviolent and crossing in the realm of civil disobedience. If everyone or the majority of that crowd were be properly violent, then they would be past the point of either peaceful/nonviolent or civil disobedience. .
However, people in the Anglosphere are human and likes it when their side has latitude to intentionally frustrate operations using nonviolent or civil disobedience but always wants to crush the opposition when they exploit the same systemic de facto methods of disruption. The reason such systemic "weakness" exists is because there have been battles in the past where a sufficiently powerful group has dissent against the symbol of power going all the way back to the Magna Carta.
The matter is that the state is not able to determine the rightness or wrongness of its current position in the moment when a protest it starts. To the government of British India back at the start of his movement, Ghandi was a lawbreaker of that state's law and a criminal for illegally boiling salt. Likewise, MLK was imprisoned for a minor crime and that strict enforcement backfired, as the case ultimately got appealed all the way to the Supreme Court.
@Red Squirrel it's been 4 weeks. Found an example to link up yet?I missed the last LGBT parade that shut down a city center and disrupted international trade for weeks. Can you please link up an example?