Canadian trucker protest

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dphantom

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So these live streams are coming from people who have avoided corporate or government media?

Or are these just second-hand regurgitations of media from “non-corporate corporate “ media on the lower right side of this chart.
yes i gave you an example which would have voided your questions if you had bothered to look.

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I don't understand why the CanaFuzz let this go on. Park a truck in a traffic lane on the 401 and see how long it stays before a wrecker shows up.
 

pmv

Lifer
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So these live streams are coming from people who have avoided corporate or government media?

Or are these just second-hand regurgitations of media from “non-corporate corporate “ media on the lower right side of this chart.

I'm sure I must have said this before (as this chart, or versions of it, has come up before) but it's very hard to take seriously a chart that puts The Daily Mail (the paper that literally said supportive things about Hitler and the actual historical Nazis) in the political centre.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
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I'm sure I must have said this before (as this chart, or versions of it, has come up before) but it's very hard to take seriously a chart that puts The Daily Mail (the paper that literally said supportive things about Hitler and the actual historical Nazis) in the political centre.
Times do change. After all, Republicans love claiming they are the party of Lincoln instead of white supremacists.
 

pmv

Lifer
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Times do change. After all, Republicans love claiming they are the party of Lincoln instead of white supremacists.

Yeah, but I see little in the Mail to convince me they've changed since then. They still cater to the exact same resentful-lower-middle-class demographic they did back then. That demographic will vote Nazi if they feel under sufficient threat again.

Just have to read some of their stories about asylum-seekers or panicked articles about "the number of non-white babies being born in the UK" to see they haven't changed very much.
 

Red Squirrel

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If it was just you affected by your desire to increase the risk to your life and health by being irresponsible then I might agree with you.

However since Covid is so infectious that you won’t be able to avoid catching it you can’t keep from infecting others, others who may end up with life alternating symptoms or even death. So why does the rest of society have to accept you increasing their risk just so you can avoid the “risk” of being responsible for your own health?

The narrative about "it stops spread" died a long time ago. The minute they locked down all the restaurants again, which require vax pass, was basically admittance that it does not stop the spread. Might have a small chance but it does not stop it 100%. It's ridiculous to have such drastic measures over something that's not 100%. And either way forcing something on someone else just so you can feel safe is selfish AF. Especially people who think it's ok to force it on children who are at high risk of heart complications, which they will have to deal with for the rest of their lives. That is the most selfish way of thinking to force medicine on others just so you can feel safe. If you're triple vaxed and still that scared of the virus then why do you think the vaccine that's not going to work for you is somehow going to work on others? If you're that scared, stay home while rest live their lives.

Heck nobody has even gotten a serious covid case throughout all these protests and none of them are even wearing masks or taking any precautions. Think about that. You people still think this is about a virus? The virus mutated into a super mild cold and unless you get tested you'll never know you even have it. It's time to move on from this madness and let people live their lives again.
 

DaaQ

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It should be a 100% choice, and ideally, private. Accepting vaccine mandates sets a dangerous precedent. What next will they force on our bodies? QR code tattoos, chips, surgery, organ donation? You give them an inch they take a mile. I don't know why anyone would be ok with this stuff. People need to mind their own business and let people decide for themselves what goes in their body.

Vaccines should be encouraged, but not forced. Especially because they do come with a risk. People should be allowed to deny anything that has a risk associated with it, without losing any freedoms, their job, etc.
QR codes and chips are already in your pocket.

What is really funny is this quote.
People should be allowed to deny anything that has a risk associated with it, without losing any freedoms, their job, etc.

So you shouldn't lose your job if you decide driving to work is too much of a risk you are willing to take.

This is what you are saying.
 
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Red Squirrel

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QR codes and chips are already in your pocket.

I use a custom rom, and half the time my phone stays home. Especially with the covid stuff since they have been tracking our phones to make sure we're staying home so I just leave it home. But with the QR code even if it's on paper, every time it get scanned they know where you are. They have full control over where you are allowed to go, and a log of it. This is not something society should be accepting as normal. In fact more people need to fight against all the stuff Edward Snowden revealed. He basically sacrificed his life releasing that info, and most people just went on with their lives. Kind of sad really. We need to fight all forms of government overreach. Boggles my mind that people try to defend the government. They are NOT on our side. They have gotten too big and controlling. We need a smaller government that leaves people alone.

So you shouldn't lose your job if you decide driving to work is too much of a risk you are willing to take.

I don't need to drive if I don't want to. I can walk, bike, etc.
 

Zorba

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Maybe cuz of to many drugs when they where younger, causing them to regress backwards instead of forward?? Happened to my brother. Even though he was in his early 50's before he passed away last year, he had the mentality of a 12 year old due to all the drugs he did when he was younger.

If that isn't it, then I have to point towards the choice to purposely be ignorant of the truth.
Was that your brother that was in the hospital with COVID last year? Either way, I'm sorry for your loss, I know from your posts that family is very important to you.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Was that your brother that was in the hospital with COVID last year? Either way, I'm sorry for your loss, I know from your posts that family is very important to you.
I have two brothers, the one I was talking about here is the one who Died from COVID. My second brother spent 3 months in the hospital with COVID (August to December), the first 5 weeks he was on a ventilator. He is Home still recovering on 24/7 oxygen, and during his time on the ventilator, they learned he had a small stroke, which is what caused him to lose almost all movement in his left arm. He also isn't as quick thinking wise, and sometimes jumbles things up. He has always been an intelligent man for the most part, and it's hard to watch someone you care about regress like that. But he is improving slowly as time goes on. He still has a long road ahead of him.

Anyhow, thanks for asking and your sympathy. It means a lot.
 

NWRMidnight

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I use a custom rom, and half the time my phone stays home. Especially with the covid stuff since they have been tracking our phones to make sure we're staying home so I just leave it home. But with the QR code even if it's on paper, every time it get scanned they know where you are. They have full control over where you are allowed to go, and a log of it. This is not something society should be accepting as normal. In fact more people need to fight against all the stuff Edward Snowden revealed. He basically sacrificed his life releasing that info, and most people just went on with their lives. Kind of sad really. We need to fight all forms of government overreach. Boggles my mind that people try to defend the government. They are NOT on our side. They have gotten too big and controlling. We need a smaller government that leaves people alone.



I don't need to drive if I don't want to. I can walk, bike, etc.
Are you really trying to imply that walking, biking, etc have no risks? You aren't really that stupid are you? (I think you completely missed DaaQ's point, or you are once again trying to pull the strawman card)

NO body in society should be concerned about the government tracking truck drivers and their location, as they are doing it to prevent them from driving to many hours with little sleep, putting everyone on the road in danger. It's about enforcing the laws and safety of every driver out there. But per the usual, someone like yourself is going to manipulate it into something it's not. I know, I know.. you want to argue about rights, that it's your right to violate DOT regulations and laws, where you put other's at risk.. Which is just another bullshit argument. As for tracking your phones since COVID, that is pure bullshit unless YOU CHOOSE to install the apps that track you... Anything beyond that is the same old conspiracy bullshit about the government tracking your every move, that has been going on for decades as technology advances. Conspiracy theories and government fear propaganda has no place in this discussion.

As for your other argument in a previous post about nobody has had a serious case of COVID from these protests.. It's to fucking early to make that assumption, and because of the reason this protest is going on (vaccination mandate), the truckers/protesters are going to do everything to avoid anyone finding out they have a serious case of COVID (home tests are a thing), or they are going to say it's something else when it's not. You are grasping at pure stupidity making such a claim. You also don't know how many who have actually been vaccinated, even though they are protesting.. (bet there are more than you think).
 
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Paratus

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yes i gave you an example which would have voided your questions if you had bothered to look.

no
The narrative about "it stops spread" died a long time ago. The minute they locked down all the restaurants again, which require vax pass, was basically admittance that it does not stop the spread. Might have a small chance but it does not stop it 100%. It's ridiculous to have such drastic measures over something that's not 100%. And either way forcing something on someone else just so you can feel safe is selfish AF. Especially people who think it's ok to force it on children who are at high risk of heart complications, which they will have to deal with for the rest of their lives. That is the most selfish way of thinking to force medicine on others just so you can feel safe. If you're triple vaxed and still that scared of the virus then why do you think the vaccine that's not going to work for you is somehow going to work on others? If you're that scared, stay home while rest live their lives.

Heck nobody has even gotten a serious covid case throughout all these protests and none of them are even wearing masks or taking any precautions. Think about that. You people still think this is about a virus? The virus mutated into a super mild cold and unless you get tested you'll never know you even have it. It's time to move on from this madness and let people live their lives again.

I’m going to throw some facts at you. Don’t worry I don’t expect it to change your mind as you didn’t use to facts to to get yourself into this mindset so we can’t use facts to get you out of it.

You said children are at high risk for heart complications insinuating the vaccines have a high risk of causing those complications in children.

The facts are in the US 2200 cases of myocarditis in people under the 30 have been recorder in the VARS database. We’ll assume they are all caused by the vaccine.

With about 65m people under 30 and 64% overall vaccination rates that’s about 42m people.

2200 / 42m = about 5 people with myocarditis per 100,000.
(all of whom recovered if I recalled)

Lets compare with catching COVID outright.

Nature just had an article that looks at heart related issues after catching mild covid.

They found 12 more cases of heart failure and 4 more cases of stroke per 1000 cases.

to put it in comparable terms thats

1200 cases 100,000 and 400 cases per 100,000 of serious cardiovascular issues vs 5 per 100,00 of milder issues from being Vaxxed.

Anecdotally this fits with my experience. My wife’s teenage cousin who was a runner caught COVID and ended up with heart damage. I don’t know anyone who had a heart related issue due to the vaccine.

Take some responsibility for your health and the health of others and get vaxxed.
 

Zorba

Lifer
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I have two brothers, the one I was talking about here is the one who Died from COVID. My second brother spent 3 months in the hospital with COVID (August to December), the first 5 weeks he was on a ventilator. He is Home still recovering on 24/7 oxygen, and during his time on the ventilator, they learned he had a small stroke, which is what caused him to lose almost all movement in his left arm. He also isn't as quick thinking wise, and sometimes jumbles things up. He has always been an intelligent man for the most part, and it's hard to watch someone you care about regress like that. But he is improving slowly as time goes on. He still has a long road ahead of him.

Anyhow, thanks for asking and your sympathy. It means a lot.
Man, that is really rough, I'm sorry you all are having to go through it. I hope your brother is able to rehab and eventually return to normal.
 

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Lifer
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The narrative about "it stops spread" died a long time ago. The minute they locked down all the restaurants again, which require vax pass, was basically admittance that it does not stop the spread. Might have a small chance but it does not stop it 100%. It's ridiculous to have such drastic measures over something that's not 100%. And either way forcing something on someone else just so you can feel safe is selfish AF. Especially people who think it's ok to force it on children who are at high risk of heart complications, which they will have to deal with for the rest of their lives. That is the most selfish way of thinking to force medicine on others just so you can feel safe. If you're triple vaxed and still that scared of the virus then why do you think the vaccine that's not going to work for you is somehow going to work on others? If you're that scared, stay home while rest live their lives.

Heck nobody has even gotten a serious covid case throughout all these protests and none of them are even wearing masks or taking any precautions. Think about that. You people still think this is about a virus? The virus mutated into a super mild cold and unless you get tested you'll never know you even have it. It's time to move on from this madness and let people live their lives again.


All I'm saying is, please stop using the word "narrative" in that way if you don't want to appear as someone unthinkingly parroting right-wing arguments. At least mix-it-up a bit...try "story" or "argument" or "claim" occasionally. I'm so tired of hearing that cliche. And like the corporate-spokesperson and politician's misuse of "refute" (in a way that suggests they think merely denying something is equivalent to disproving it) it invariably says something about the mindset of the person using it.
 

sandorski

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All I'm saying is, please stop using the word "narrative" in that way if you don't want to appear as someone unthinkingly parroting right-wing arguments. At least mix-it-up a bit...try "story" or "argument" or "claim" occasionally. I'm so tired of hearing that cliche. And like the corporate-spokesperson and politician's misuse of "refute" (in a way that suggests they think merely denying something is equivalent to disproving it) it invariably says something about the mindset of the person using it.

Descriptions of a series of events are inherently sinister. I mean, how do they know how to arrange themselves without some Conspiracy? Especially when they contradict my Narrative...pretty sure Peterson started this, it has an air of legitimacy without having any substance.
 

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Lifer
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Descriptions of a series of events are inherently sinister. I mean, how do they know how to arrange themselves without some Conspiracy? Especially when they contradict my Narrative...pretty sure Peterson started this, it has an air of legitimacy without having any substance.


I don't know, I just know right-wingers use that word _constantly_. It cropped up in two different threads today. And they use it in such a sloppy way, that it really suggests to me that they aren't really engaging their brains, they just unthinkingly let the cliches roll off their tongue.

My recollection is the use of that word in that way started with liberal triangulating centrists, namely the Blairites (maybe the Clintonites as well). They apparently picked it up in their university courses. And the gist of it was the idea that you didn't actually need to _do_ anything practical, you just had to employ the right words and establish a certain 'story', and all else would follow. It was a close-relative of 'spin doctoring'.

Of course it eventually hit the rocks of reality with the Iraq fiasco (and all the other Blairite triangulating failures), because it was nonsense in the first place. But then the right, as they tend to do with terms coined by elite liberals, picked it up as a new shiny thing and became totally obsessed with it. Because, I suppose, it fitted with their conspiratorial world-view to see the elite liberals as the master-manipulators they (the centrist liberals) entirely wrongly imagined they could be. I hear conservative radio hosts use the term relentlessly - once three times in one sentence. I'm just plain sick of hearing it.
 
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brandonbull

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Funny how I didn’t hear this argument about mandates for the measles vaccine, the mumps vaccine, the rubella vaccine, etc., etc.
And how how well do those vaccines work vs. the Covid vaccine? I don't remember people basically being put under house arrest for refusing MMR shots. I also think others vaccines have been pulled with less documented cases of side effects than the Covid vaccines.
 
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pmv

Lifer
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And how how well do those vaccines work vs. the Covid vaccine? I don't remember people basically being put under house arrest for refusing MMR shots. I also think others vaccines have been pulled with less documented cases of side effects than the Covid vaccines.


Maybe you aren't old enough to remember? Plenty of historical cases in the US of people being arrested or fined for refusing to be vaccinated.
 

sandorski

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And how how well do those vaccines work vs. the Covid vaccine? I don't remember people basically being put under house arrest for refusing MMR shots. I also think others vaccines have been pulled with less documented cases of side effects than the Covid vaccines.

Article

All vaccines for all disease have varying levels of effectiveness. They all have side effects, many the same. Who is under House Arrest?
 

shortylickens

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And how how well do those vaccines work vs. the Covid vaccine? I don't remember people basically being put under house arrest for refusing MMR shots. I also think others vaccines have been pulled with less documented cases of side effects than the Covid vaccines.
No but they did keep your kid from entering school because of it.
And if you did not send your kid to school the state would eventually take action against you.
 

Viper1j

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What To Know About The Canadian Trucker Protests


A huge protest by Canadian truckers has entered its second week. The Onion answers the most important questions about the Canadian trucker protests.

Q: How did the protests start?
A: A trucker was too embarrassed to admit he’d gotten lost in downtown Ottawa and it just kind of spiraled from there.

Q: What are they protesting?
A: Unconscionable government overreach in trying to keep people from dying from a preventable disease.

Q: How long will they wait until they get what they want?
A: Between outside funding and their ability to go long stretches without bathroom breaks, a while.

'Nuff said.
 
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